Panthers are 1-5. Think he'd want to come home?

CalFan4Ever;841983120 said:

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Panthers are 1-5. Think he'd want to come home?

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I KNOW he would. Does it look like he will be fired? If he is, and he has money on his contract from the Panthers, maybe that allows for creative financing of his package (a back ended deal) that would allow us to exit Tedford's contract?

calumnus;841983132 said:

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I KNOW he would. Does it look like he will be fired? If he is, and he has money on his contract from the Panthers, maybe that allows for creative financing of his package (a back ended deal) that would allow us to exit Tedford's contract?

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He got a 3 year deal with a 4th year option IIRC, so if they fire him this season, we should be able to get creative.

I think the main problem with hiring Rivera isn't so much JT's contract, or the amount it would take to lure Rivera.

I think the main problem is that he appears to be a lousy head coach.

Would be pretty crazy if he did end up here and brought Rodgers with him. Gotta imagine we'd see #11 a lot!

lurkerbear;841983138 said:

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I think the main problem with hiring Rivera isn't so much JT's contract, or the amount it would take to lure Rivera.

I think the main problem is that he appears to be a lousy head coach.

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So did Pete Carroll.

what is it about his record that makes you think he'd be an excellent head coach at Cal or anywhere else in the college game?

7-15 at Carolina, in the NFL, doesn't speak loudly as a solid head coaching candidate.

There must be something more. What makes the case for Rivera over any other candidate?

CalFan4Ever;841983141 said:

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So did Pete Carroll.

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You're right. So we just have to look for a lousy NFL head coach?

You seem to have a more optimistic view of the world than I do. Almost any coach could work out. But the hire-someone-who-sucks-in-the-NFL-and-hope-he-doesn't-suck-at-cal theory isn't one i have a ton of faith in.

FiatSlug;841983143 said:

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what is it about his record that makes you think he'd be an excellent head coach at Cal or anywhere else in the college game?

7-15 at Carolina, in the NFL, doesn't speak loudly as a solid head coaching candidate.

There must be something more. What makes the case for Rivera over any other candidate?

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Solid question. Rivera isn't really on my wish list either, but that said, don't most NFL to college HC's make the switch because of their poor NFL showing?

socaliganbear;841983151 said:

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Solid question. Rivera isn't really on my wish list either, but that said, don't most NFL to college HC's make the switch because of their poor NFL showing?

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Yep. Not sure I've seen a coach post a winning record in his last season in the NFL and then go "Hey I'd like to see what all this CFB is all about". It's the other way around. Rivera is a great defensive mind. Get some offensive minded OC and turn this ship around.

FiatSlug;841983143 said:

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what is it about his record that makes you think he'd be an excellent head coach at Cal or anywhere else in the college game?

7-15 at Carolina, in the NFL, doesn't speak loudly as a solid head coaching candidate.

There must be something more. What makes the case for Rivera over any other candidate?

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No winning NFL coach quits to become a college coach. Many NFL coaches who were unsuccessful or otherwise retired, become college coaches, and many have been far more successful in college than they were in the NFL.

I like that Rivera started Cam Newton as a rookie and had an OC that used him in ways that took advantage of his skills. Even if Carolina has other issues, that to me is a quality (playing your star young player ASAP) you need as a college coach.

I think Rivera would be a GREAT recruiter at Cal, because he is a likeable guy, a good person and has NFL linebacker and HC cred and he LOVES Cal. We have had coaches here in the past that did not get Cal or just saw it as a job--they cannot sell the school as well as someone who bought and loves the product himself.

I like that he is a defensive coach. Like Carrol. That would allow him to hire an innovative OC and let the OC run the offense and call plays from the booth while he is the HC on the sidelines. You can tell from his sideline videos he is fired up for his team and takes time to coach up his players individually.

I don't know that he is the best candidate out there, but I think there are a lot of things that would make him a great candidate, easily an upgrade and if he was more financially flexible than other candidates that could lead to an earlier transition which would avoid a further slide in the program and recruiting before there is a change.

calumnus;841983165 said:

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No winning NFL coach becomes a college coach. Many NFL coaches who were unsuccessful or otherwise retired, become college coaches, many have been far more successful in college than they were in the NFL.

I like that Rivera started cam Newton as a rookie and had an OC that used him in ways that took advantage of his skills. Even if Carolina has other issues, that to me is a quality (playing your star young player ASAP) you need as a college coach.

I think Rivera would be a GREAT recruiter at Cal, because he is a likeable guy, a good person and has NFL linebacker and HC cred and he LOVES Cal. We have had coaches here in the past that did not get Cal or just saw it as a job--they cannot sell the school as well as someone who bought and loves the product himself.

I like that he is a defensive coach. Like Carrol. That would allow him to hire an innovative OC and let the OC run the offense and call plays from the booth while he is the HC on the sidelines.

I don't know that he is the best candidate out there, but I think there are a lot of things that would make him a great candidate, easily an upgrade and if he was more financially flexible than other candidates that could lead to an earlier transition which would avoid a further slide in the program and recruiting before there is a change.

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Here here! I agree he would be a great recruiter and he's a guy people here could get behind, like Mike Riley at OSU. I also like that he loves Cal and wouldn't take off at the first sniff of another opportunity.

Come home, Ron!

calumnus;841983165 said:

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No winning NFL coach quits to become a college coach. Many NFL coaches who were unsuccessful or otherwise retired, become college coaches, and many have been far more successful in college than they were in the NFL.

I like that Rivera started Cam Newton as a rookie and had an OC that used him in ways that took advantage of his skills. Even if Carolina has other issues, that to me is a quality (playing your star young player ASAP) you need as a college coach.

I think Rivera would be a GREAT recruiter at Cal, because he is a likeable guy, a good person and has NFL linebacker and HC cred and he LOVES Cal. We have had coaches here in the past that did not get Cal or just saw it as a job--they cannot sell the school as well as someone who bought and loves the product himself.

I like that he is a defensive coach. Like Carrol. That would allow him to hire an innovative OC and let the OC run the offense and call plays from the booth while he is the HC on the sidelines. You can tell from his sideline videos he is fired up for his team and takes time to coach up his players individually.

I don't know that he is the best candidate out there, but I think there are a lot of things that would make him a great candidate, easily an upgrade and if he was more financially flexible than other candidates that could lead to an earlier transition which would avoid a further slide in the program and recruiting before there is a change.

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Just curious, do you have a personal relationship with Ron?

CalFan4Ever;841983180 said:

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Here here! I agree he would be a great recruiter and he's a guy people here could get behind, like Mike Riley at OSU. I also like that he loves Cal and wouldn't take off at the first sniff of another opportunity.

[SIZE="4"]Come home, Ron![/SIZE]

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Pro football and college football are somewhat similar but hardly identical.
Rivera as HC would be a dream, especially considering his Cal and pro credentials as a PLAYER. He would bring great people with him. He'd probably be smart enough to get guys like Follett and get other Cal vets to join with him.

An all-Cal coaching staff, young, innovative, in touch with today's kids would do wonders for recruiting also. They could make the case for Cal, academics and football, in ways other potential coaches could not.

CalFan4Ever;841983180 said:

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Here here! I agree he would be a great recruiter and he's a guy people here could get behind, like Mike Riley at OSU. I also like that he loves Cal and wouldn't take off at the first sniff of another opportunity.

Come home, Ron!

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I got to know Ron a little back in h 80's and couldn't agree more. He's a bright, warmhearted and loyal guy.
I'm also confident he's not so egotiscal that couldn't find someone to run the offense.

Oh really? Don't you all complain about Tedford never going for it on 4th and 1?

You want the man who punted on 4th and 1 with Cam Newton in his backfield, then saw his defense give up a 60 yard pass play when all they could possibly do was pass?

socaliganbear;841983189 said:

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Just curious, do you have a personal relationship with Ron?

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No, but he was in Unit 2 at the same time as me so know people that know him, and I saw firsthand how he acted in the dining commons, at dorm parties, etc. I played against him in softball on Underhill. He could hit a softball pretty far. But you get a sense of people from seeing how they carry themselves and interact with others. A big part of the HC role is interacting with the media, donors and the fans, players and their parents. I think he would be good.

I am not saying I would chose him over any other candidate--I'd want to know what our other choices are, but I think he would be a good choice.

LessMilesMoreTedford;841983203 said:

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Oh really? Don't you all complain about Tedford never going for it on 4th and 1?

You want the man who punted on 4th and 1 with Cam Newton in his backfield, then saw his defense give up a 60 yard pass play when all they could possibly do was pass?

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Good points--I don't follow the NFL closely enough to know the details of his in game decision making. I wouldn't want the next guy to be conservative. Hopefully we would have an innovative, aggressive OC who would push him in that direction.

calumnus;841983209 said:

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Good points--I don't follow the NFL closely enough to know the details of his in game decision making. I wouldn't want the next guy to be conservative. Hopefully we would have an innovative, aggressive OC who would push him in that direction.

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I'm sure Rivera would be a good cultural fit. But his teams in Carolina are so bad that I wonder about his gameplanning and in-game decisions, and that's not something you want to wonder about when making a coaching change.

At least Carroll had a few winning seasons.

calumnus;841983207 said:

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No, but he was in Unit 2 at the same time as me so know people that know him, and I saw firsthand how he acted in the dining commons, at dorm parties, etc. I played against him in softball on Underhill. He could hit a softball pretty far. But you get a sense of people from seeing how they carry themselves and interact with others. A big part of the HC role is interacting with the media, donors and the fans, players and their parents. I think he would be good.

I am not saying I would chose him over any other candidate--I'd want to know what our other choices are, but I think he would be a good choice.

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Good stuff. Thanks

LessMilesMoreTedford;841983215 said:

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I'm sure Rivera would be a good cultural fit. But his teams in Carolina are so bad that I wonder about his gameplanning and in-game decisions, and that's not something you want to wonder about when making a coaching change.

At least Carroll had a few winning seasons.

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Carroll was 27-21 at NE including a first place finish. Even so USC went out on a limb with him. He wasn't a popular choice.

There is nothing yet about Rivera's record that suggests going out on a limb with him is a good idea

GB54;841983217 said:

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Carroll was 27-21 at NE including a first place finish. Even so USC went out on a limb with him. He wasn't a popular choice.

There is nothing yet about Rivera's record that suggests going out on a limb with him is a good idea

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It's all a crap shoot sometimes.....look at Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino, they excel at the college game but were really no better than Rivera in the pros.

Cal_Fan2;841983221 said:

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It's all a crap shoot sometimes.....look at Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino, they excel at the college game but were really no better than Rivera in the pros.

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Yes but unlike Carroll and Rivera, Saban and Petrino had a track record of success at college same as Spurrier, also a bad NFL choice. Fact is, in college if you have superior talent you can win even if you're not a great coach. In the pro game the disparities in talent are small.

LessMilesMoreTedford;841983215 said:

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I'm sure Rivera would be a good cultural fit. But his teams in Carolina are so bad that I wonder about his gameplanning and in-game decisions, and that's not something you want to wonder about when making a coaching change.

At least Carroll had a few winning seasons.

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I thought he did a good job as DC with the Chargers. They played relatively smart and creatively.

really? a guy is in the second year of coaching the Panthers, and you are going to call him a lousy coach? You do realize that they were at the depths of the NFL right? That Rivera's work with them last year was seen as incredible?
Wow.

mbBear;841983328 said:

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really? a guy is in the second year of coaching the Panthers, and you are going to call him a lousy coach? You do realize that they were at the depths of the NFL right? That Rivera's work with them last year was seen as incredible?
Wow.

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A lot of that was probably because of the newness of what Cam brought offensively. Now that teams have caught up, it seems like they've regressed significantly.

Panthers fans are not happy.

Rivera strikes me as a NFL guy, played in the league, moved up the coaching ranks.

If it did happen, might need to be a gap between his NFL experience and going to CFB. The college game might suit him better. I don't know his personality (reference: Pete Carroll) so hard to tell. Doesn't seem like a rah-rah guy like Carroll but rather an intense former LB.

I don't think he'd bolt if we succeed. And if we don't we can look at new options. I have to be honest, I am thoroughly unimpressed with the coaching candidates currently being suggested.

GB54;841983223 said:

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Yes but unlike Carroll and Rivera, Saban and Petrino had a track record of success at college same as Spurrier, also a bad NFL choice. Fact is, in college if you have superior talent you can win even if you're not a great coach. In the pro game the disparities in talent are small.

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If what you say is true and if he can recruit as well as some speculate, be has a good chance of taking us to the Rose Bowl.

but if he was still a Coordinator then there would be no argument about his qualifications? I guess I am missing something...
I suspect Cal will be off a year or two at best with Rivera anyway. The mistake would be is if Sandy is picking Ron's brain about candidates-his contacts and judgment of people is tremendous...

GB54;841983217 said:

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Carroll was 27-21 at NE including a first place finish. Even so USC went out on a limb with him. He wasn't a popular choice.

There is nothing yet about Rivera's record that suggests going out on a limb with him is a good idea

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Mike Garrett went out on a limb with Pete Carroll, not U$C. If Carroll hadn't panned out, Garrett's a$$ would have been gra$$.

FiatSlug;841983489 said:

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Mike Garrett went out on a limb with Pete Carroll, not U$C. If Carroll hadn't panned out, Garrett's a$$ would have been gra$$.

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I share your concern with ADs making bad decisions for which they are held responsible.

Who and why would anyone sign a 1-2 year contract?
No need to worry-fairly certain that BI posts will not be factored into the decision process...what, if the new coach isn't named Nick Saban you aren't going to be happy?

The Carolina GM just got canned - Might be the first step in a house cleaning there.

calumnus;841983165 said:

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No winning NFL coach quits to become a college coach. Many NFL coaches who were unsuccessful or otherwise retired, become college coaches, and many have been far more successful in college than they were in the NFL.

I like that Rivera started Cam Newton as a rookie and had an OC that used him in ways that took advantage of his skills. Even if Carolina has other issues, that to me is a quality (playing your star young player ASAP) you need as a college coach.

I think Rivera would be a GREAT recruiter at Cal, because he is a likeable guy, a good person and has NFL linebacker and HC cred and he LOVES Cal. We have had coaches here in the past that did not get Cal or just saw it as a job--they cannot sell the school as well as someone who bought and loves the product himself.

I like that he is a defensive coach. Like Carrol. That would allow him to hire an innovative OC and let the OC run the offense and call plays from the booth while he is the HC on the sidelines. You can tell from his sideline videos he is fired up for his team and takes time to coach up his players individually.

I don't know that he is the best candidate out there, but I think there are a lot of things that would make him a great candidate, easily an upgrade and if he was more financially flexible than other candidates that could lead to an earlier transition which would avoid a further slide in the program and recruiting before there is a change.

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