Agureghian;841989819 said:

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We will never win anything with that mindset. Academics are great to have, but to a certain extent. USC is no slouch academically yet still manage to win multiple bowl games, national championships, and p12 divisions. Sure PC committed some recruiting violations that he was "unaware" of but would I trade 2 national championships, several p10 championships, and Heisman trophies for 3 years of sanctions? I would. Someone could say that the heisman was stripped and the national championship was revoked... still, they were the best team that year regardless if reggie bush was eligible or not... AND USC has recovered and flourished under Lane Kiffin after those sanctions.

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You just don't get it. Your wishes are irrelevant. So too the vast majority of board posters. Who has POWER at UC are the faculty senates who largely don't give a rats ass about athletics. It is a constraint which Cal operates under. Ditto UCLA.

Now that cuts both ways. They neither care when it does poorly or when it does well. What they absolutely will take to the barricades (with their tweed jackets buttoned up) is if the program brings "academic" disrespect on the university. I _THINK_ it also extends to "un-PC" crimes (and here I will be particularly un-PC). For example, I think that if an athlete had done what is alleged with the former Huskie Point Guard in Basketball the Faculty would become UNGLUED until the coach was fired.

CalBearz02;841989912 said:

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Why do people like Rivera so much? What is his appeal as the leader and coach of a college program?

I don't know much about him other than his track record as a coach and player. I've never heard him speak or talk x's and o's. Somebody please enlighten me.

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Again. If you watched how the Chargers played defense and some of the innovative schemes he put in week to week you would see. I believe at least 2 of RR's years they lead the league in takeaways. They FLEW to the ball and played interesting zone packages.

socaltownie;841989901 said:

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You just don't get it. Your wishes are irrelevant. So too the vast majority of board posters. Who has POWER at UC are the faculty senates who largely don't give a rats ass about athletics. It is a constraint which Cal operates under. Ditto UCLA.

Now that cuts both ways. They neither care when it does poorly or when it does well. What they absolutely will take to the barricades (with their tweed jackets buttoned up) is if the program brings "academic" disrespect on the university. I _THINK_ it also extends to "un-PC" crimes (and here I will be particularly un-PC). For example, I think that if an athlete had done what is alleged with the former Huskie Point Guard in Basketball the Faculty would become UNGLUED until the coach was fired.

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Your post isnt rocket science, everyone knows that. Yes, your and my opinions probably wont do anything to change cal football, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt post them.

what are the qualities we are seeking in a new hc?

-personality, ability to relentlessly recruit on behalf of cal
-awareness of cal's academics standards when recruting
-west coast ties for hs recruiting
-ability to attract and retain high levels oc/dc and asst coaches
-passion, motivate the players and make football fun
-game day coach, playing to win
-loyalty to cal when other opportunties arise

i agree 100% with the earlier stated opinion that sec asst coaches would not be a good fit for the cal hc, in any case doesn't really matter because the top sec asst coaches realize they will eventually become sec hcs

not sure if chris peterson would fit this criteria either...you guys do realize that boise state recruits kids with 2.5 gpas all the time, how would that work in berkeley?

with this in mind, the bears would be best served by:

mike macintyre-sjs coach is winning and has led the spartans from losing ncaa schollys because of poor academics to classroom success as documented by wilner; duke background is a plus and already living in the expensive (compared to other coaching jobs) bay area;

ron riviera-his ability to field an outstanding hopefully youthful staff with nfl experience makes him a unique candidate along with his 1st hand experiences of a cal graduate; would play to win for sure; comparisons to joe kapp are pointless as joe surrounded himself with his friends not successful asst coaches; once on a bears roll, we would view cal as a dream job for a lifetime

stanford/harbaugh asst coach-several guys including taggert, etc. understand the balance of academics and schoolwork and the bay area cost of living

so wishing for a cal hc from another part of the country who probably doesn't want the high cost of bay area living for himself and his coaches and would have no west coast recruiting ties and would also probably be frustrated with cal's academic requirements would be a disaster

go beers

Agureghian;841989925 said:

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Your post isnt rocket science, everyone knows that. Yes, your and my opinions probably wont do anything to change cal football, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt post them.

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But if you believe, and I quote you, "we will never win with that mindset" than you should just give up. Cause THAT MIND SET AIN'T CHANGING!.

It is like suggesting California would be better off with if we didn't have to surf during the dawn patrol with the sun in our eyes. Yes. I wish the sun didn't rise in the East but it does. Get over it or hope a flight Hawaii and surf the North shore. In football the equivalent would be to root for LSU.

Shocky1;841989928 said:

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what are the qualities we are seeking in a new hc?

-personality, ability to relentlessly recruit on behalf of cal
-awareness of cal's academics standards when recruting
-west coast ties for hs recruiting
-ability to attract and retain high levels oc/dc and asst coaches
-passion, motivate the players and make football fun
-game day coach, playing to win
-loyalty to cal when other opportunties arise

i agree 100% with the earlier stated opinion that sec asst coaches would not be a good fit for the cal hc

not sure if chris peterson would fit this criteria either

with this in mind, the bears would be best served by:

mike macintyre-sjs coach is winning and has led the spartans from losing ncaa schollys because of poor academics to classroom success as documented by wilner; duke background is a plus and already living in the expensive (compared to other coaching jobs) bay area

ron riviera-his ability to field an outstanding hopefully youthful staff with nfl experience makes him a unique candidate along with his 1st hand experiences of a cal graduate; would play to win for sure; comparisons to joe kapp are pointless as joe surrounded himself with his friends not successful asst coaches; once on a bears roll, we would view cal as a dream job for a lifetime

stanford/harbaugh asst coach-several guys including taggert, etc. understand the balance of academics and schoolwork and the bay area cost of living

so wishing for a cal hc from another part of the country who probably doesn't want the high cost of bay area living for himself and his coaches and would have no west coast recruiting ties and would also probably be frustrated with cal's academic requirements would be a disaster

go beers

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Agree with all. I would only add that my fear about Hairball's assistants whether they did or did not have any additional experience beyond a few years at the Furd. I would want to know more background about them. I would guess that 'sensitivity" to unique Cal conditions takes 3 to 4 years so you have gone through at least one "crisis" and how a "football is second" school works.

Another way to think about it? You want a guy who like Monty instinctively knew that the moment he heard about stolen laptops there was only ONE response even if it was a week before the tournie.

My list is very short ....

Kirby Smart

txwharfrat;841989937 said:

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My list is very short ....

Kirby Smart

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Unfortunately isn't it HIGHLY likely we would be in a bidding war with Tennessee for him. I don't think we can win that (but I defer to those who have a better feel for how much Knoxville can come up with). By guess is that Kirby Smart is going to be a VERY rich man (4 to 4.5 million for 3-4 years) next year.

We need someone with prior head coaching experience, even at a small school, never again gambling on a coordinator. This is what Gladstone told a friend of mine; he's sorry he ever went for a coordinator, ie Tedford. I think Ron Rivera if available would be great. Petersen has told confidants that Cal would be the only place he would love to coach because he would be coming home, with family still in Yuba City and having played qb at UC Davis.

I think people are missing the boat here. Having someone come back to a program because they are part of the family doesn't work because that person is often too myopic about the program and has too many ties. I know it sounds counter intuitive but unless the coach is exceptional then it's not worth it. What Cal needs is someone who knows football and will mold Cal football into Cal football circa 2002-2004.

Cal's best bet is to either go hard after Peterson or go after Taggart the NIU guy or a big time coordinator that hasn't coached yet as a HC.

Of course option 3 is the riskiest but it also tends to often the greatest reward.

mcd59;841989951 said:

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Petersen has told confidants that Cal would be the only place he would love to coach because he would be coming home, with family still in Yuba City and having played qb at UC Davis.

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_IF_ that is true it would be a Monster hire (the other is Pete Carroll) so don't B.S. about it and get hopes high.

And they are monster hires because they will immediately put butts in Seats and create a BUZZ around the program that gets ESP sales moving and makes Cal tixs "hot" again. Really no one else does that. Although people like Smart or Rivera could be good hires, they will not resonate with casual fans like Caroll or Petersen.

Oh and give that Seattle is doing "OK" I don't think Pete C is an option this year.

socaltownie;841989970 said:

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_IF_ that is true it would be a Monster hire (the other is Pete Carroll) so don't B.S. about it and get hopes high.

And they are monster hires because they will immediately put butts in Seats and create a BUZZ around the program that gets ESP sales moving and makes Cal tixs "hot" again. Really no one else does that. Although people like Smart or Rivera could be good hires, they will not resonate with casual fans like Caroll or Petersen.

Oh and give that Seattle is doing "OK" I don't think Pete C is an option this year.

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Frankly, I don't think it's that much of a reach because

1) Boise St. and Big East. Talk about how much of a PITA it is having to travel back and forth across the country to play Big East games. I just can't imagine any high level coach wanting to go through that

2) Recent NCAA violations with the football program

3) Consistently getting shut out of the title game and even BCS games unless being perfect sure the Big east remedies that but you have to back to #1

4) Playing in a BCS conference while still being in an inferior recruiting territory. Boise has been great but they get 9-10 games against teams they blow out. Playing in one of the BCS conference you get beat up you have rivals and it's very difficult to win every game. Will Peterson being able to recruit the talent and depth to last a full BCS conference season and not lose because Boise St. gets too beat up with the schedule.


The issue will be a) getting the money together for a buyout and b) getting the money together for a 5 yr 20+ mil deal for Peterson.

When we fire Tedford can we also include in the firing

1. Those who think that having played for Cal would in any way mean that someone should be included on a list to succeed JT. Please stop!

The exclusion of RR simply based upon his current record as HC would be a mistake. There are certainly examples where that alone was not a good forecast of an NFL coach's move to college ball. Mike Riley (Chargers) and PC (Pats) come-to-mind...

Not saying RR should top our list or that he would with certainty turn things around, just that we shouldn't rush to judgement based upon his short NFL track record as a HC...

mcd59;841989951 said:

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We need someone with prior head coaching experience, even at a small school, never again gambling on a coordinator. This is what Gladstone told a friend of mine; he's sorry he ever went for a coordinator, ie Tedford. I think Ron Rivera if available would be great. Petersen has told confidants that Cal would be the only place he would love to coach because he would be coming home, with family still in Yuba City and having played qb at UC Davis.

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Where is this info about Petersen coming from?! I'm an emotionally fragile fan now so I'm a bit more susceptible to wild internet rumors, but that would be huge. I'm on record in the Petersen thread saying he's not realistic because he's turned down similar schools even when he knew he was going to the Big East.

Cal89;841989995 said:

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The exclusion of RR simply based upon his current record as HC would be a mistake. There are certainly examples where that alone was not a good forecast of an NFL coach's move to college ball. Mike Riley (Chargers) and PC (Pats) come-to-mind...

Not saying RR should top our list or that he would with certainty turn things around, just that we shouldn't rush to judgement based upon his short NFL track record as a HC...

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Given the desperation apparent on this site and elsewhere, imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth if Rivera comes in here and goes 4-8, 3-9, even 6-6. Whoever comes in needs to win and win extensively the first year. That points to a current/recent SUCCESSFUL college head coach, with his college staff.

mcd59;841989951 said:

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We need someone with prior head coaching experience, even at a small school, never again gambling on a coordinator. This is what Gladstone told a friend of mine; he's sorry he ever went for a coordinator, ie Tedford. I think Ron Rivera if available would be great. Petersen has told confidants that Cal would be the only place he would love to coach because he would be coming home, with family still in Yuba City and having played qb at UC Davis.

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I expressed that too a few days ago about Petersen. If he's ever going to leave BSU, it won't be to a place like LA. Yuba City is just a couple hours away. He's a UC guy, native Californian...

No, don't hold your breath, but if he's truly open to change, and I think he might be at this stage, especially with the Big East starting next year for BSU, this might be very good move for him and us...

Is Stanford too far from Yuba City?

socaltownie;841989944 said:

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Unfortunately isn't it HIGHLY likely we would be in a bidding war with Tennessee for him. I don't think we can win that (but I defer to those who have a better feel for how much Knoxville can come up with). By guess is that Kirby Smart is going to be a VERY rich man (4 to 4.5 million for 3-4 years) next year.

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i think they have the money at this point...

mbBear;841989723 said:

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you are going to compare Rivera's experience to Joe Kapp's? Really?? Besides the fact that they both have Cal diplomas, is that even a comparison? That's like comparing me to Alex Morgan.

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So are you saying you don't look very good in body paint?

:p

GB54;841990057 said:

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Is Stanford too far from Yuba City?

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Some possibilities:
1. Stanford does not pay that well, they got Harbaugh from DII.
2. Before Harbaugh, there was little hope of winning at Stanford
3. Before Harbaugh, there was little hope of Peterson recruiting the kids he wants to recruit to Stanford
4. Peterson grew up in Yuba City and played at Davis--he is a Cal fan and hates Stanford.
5. The timing was not right for him to make a move then, but it is now.

I think a great hire would be Andy Reid. Dude looks like he will be out of a job soon. He has been a terrific coach in Philly and I think he would translate well to the college game.

I think we should hire Tim Tebow. He would be a fantastic recruiter, he was a good student and comes from the Urban Meyer tree. He is a winner and that is what counts the most.

Mr. Triangle;841990135 said:

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I think a great hire would be Andy Reid. Dude looks like he will be out of a job soon. He has been a terrific coach in Philly and I think he would translate well to the college game.

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Yeah, he does seem like he'd be good as a college coach.

It cant be that tough, im sure Sandy just googled TOP TEN ASSISTANT COACHES WHO SHOULD BE HEAD COACHES and will jump on the phone.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1286789-10-college-football-assistant-coaches-who-should-be-head-coaches.

Some names I haven't heard much chatter on here.........

Masau80;841990048 said:

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. That points to a current/recent SUCCESSFUL college head coach, with his college staff.

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Sounds great. Like who? Who is currently running a top 25 program and willing to come to cal?

The only remotely possible names are strong, dykes, Mullen and Peterson. I would be ecstatic with all of them besides dykes. And no way in hell Mullen is coming west. So again, who is this mythical coach who already has a successful program and willing to come to cal?

going4roses;841990102 said:

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i think they have the money at this point...

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Besides the financial battle we're likely to lose, I also think if he is used to the atmosphere and reverance that surrounds college football in the SEC, it would be tough to convince him to come to a program and atmosphere like Cal's if we're going up against other SEC bidders.

I know many posters like to denigrate the SEC for all sorts of reasons - but if you are a hot HC candidate who is used to and enjoys the status football has in the SEC, coming to Cal is going to seem like quite a let down.

Petersen is enough of a "California guy" to take maybe a million dollars a year less than what he might get to be near Yuba City? If you have that personal knowledge about him, great, but that's a lot of money...

Hail2Calif;841990257 said:

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Besides the financial battle we're likely to lose, I also think if he is used to the atmosphere and reverance that surrounds college football in the SEC, it would be tough to convince him to come to a program and atmosphere like Cal's if we're going up against other SEC bidders.

I know many posters like to denigrate the SEC for all sorts of reasons - but if you are a hot HC candidate who is used to and enjoys the status football has in the SEC, coming to Cal is going to seem like quite a let down.

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There are many reasons why someone whose only experience is in the SEC is [U]unlikely[/U] to be a good cultural or practical fit as head coach at Cal.

socaltownie;841989901 said:

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You just don't get it. Your wishes are irrelevant. So too the vast majority of board posters. Who has POWER at UC are the faculty senates who largely don't give a rats ass about athletics. It is a constraint which Cal operates under. Ditto UCLA.

Now that cuts both ways. They neither care when it does poorly or when it does well. What they absolutely will take to the barricades (with their tweed jackets buttoned up) is if the program brings "academic" disrespect on the university. I _THINK_ it also extends to "un-PC" crimes (and here I will be particularly un-PC). For example, I think that if an athlete had done what is alleged with the former Huskie Point Guard in Basketball the Faculty would become UNGLUED until the coach was fired.

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The faculty senate has no power to get rid of the Athletic Department anymore than they have the power to get rid of the dormitories. Ask any faculty member how much power they have and you would be surprised.

I have never met Rivera. But from what everyone says he really loves Cal.

So what makes everyone so sure that he would need to be fired for us to get him? Al Groh chose Virginia over the Jets. Maybe Rivera would choose us over the Panthers.

I have no idea about what would motivate Rivera to take one job over another, as I have never met him. But I am sick of people thinking that Cal is such a bad place that we will inevitably have to settle. We are the best damn university in the world, and Rivera is apparently a passionate alumnus. Make an offer and see what he says.

The Duke!;841990526 said:

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The faculty senate has no power to get rid of the Athletic Department anymore than they have the power to get rid of the dormitories. Ask any faculty member how much power they have and you would be surprised.

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Bah. They can pass a resolution of no confidence on the chancellor. Basically career ending. My guess is that the President would accept a resignation letter and thank said Chancellor for his/her service by the end of the week. It would take a while (faculty NEVER moves fast) to get to that point (3-4 months of wrangling and rear guard action) but that is what would happen if....

A) There was an academic/criminal scandal in the AD
B) Neither the coach, the AD nor the Chancellor acted

Frankly the academic scandal I don't THINK is that much of an issue. The NCAA acts pretty much as a partner in those instances. The bigger issue would be a "win at all cost" football coach confronted by an off the field scandal with a star player. Again, the problem with a coach with solely experience at, for example, Alabama vs. UC is that it is unclear that they will reflectively make the "right" call.

If you think the non-athletic wings of the university don't have power WHY is the AD under so much pressure to cut costs/raise revenues/reduce Chancellor subsidy? It is because while Barsky is an outlier, there are a LOT of faculty who are none too pleased their offices are not being cleaned while we just built a tajmahal gym up on the Hill.

mbBear;841990453 said:

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Petersen is enough of a "California guy" to take maybe a million dollars a year less than what he might get to be near Yuba City? If you have that personal knowledge about him, great, but that's a lot of money...

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From an earlier post I made on the topic of money, with some additions:

From what little I know of the guy, throwing more money at him is not what it's all about. He's not an LA type of guy either. We know that much... Quality of life is paramount. Speaking for myself, I've turned-down more lucrative offers for quality of life matters, and my paycheck is nothing like that of D-1 HC.

He's making $2m now, I believe. We can give him a raise. Sure some program can offer him more than us, but at some point the extra money doesn't translate into anything meaningful. If I've felt this way making a small fraction of that, turning down an extra 20k a year, someone with Petersen's background and values most likely thinks the same way...

Would he desire to live in a larger, more expensive house, drive different cars than what he can afford now? If the answer is "no", then make a decision based upon other more important factors. It's those type of questions (and like ones) that has many of us not following money only, so long as it is enough to give us what we want.

Cal89;841990609 said:

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From an earlier post I made on the topic of money, with some additions:

From what little I know of the guy, throwing more money at him is not what it's all about. He's not an LA type of guy either. We know that much... Quality of life is paramount. Speaking for myself, I've turned-down more lucrative offers for quality of life matters, and my paycheck is nothing like that of D-1 HC.

He's making $2m now, I believe. We can give him a raise. Sure some program can offer him more than us, but at some point the extra money doesn't translate into anything meaningful. If I've felt this way making a small fraction of that, turning down an extra 20k a year, someone with Petersen's background and values most likely thinks the same way...

Would he desire to live in a larger, more expensive house, drive different cars than what he can afford now? If the answer is "no", then make a decision based upon other more important factors. It's those type of questions (and like ones) that has many of us not following money only, so long as it is enough to give us what we want.

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I thought at the time that a key issue for him when USC and UCLA were trying to get him was where he wanted to raise his kids.....that Boise just appealed to he and his wife on that metric.

I would love to see him come but a) You gotta respect the heck out of a guy who puts family first and b) we can offer better than LA but it is hard to think of where you get a small town vibe with kids in the urbanized bay area within commute distance of UCB. Danville/Orinda _MAYBE_ but even those are not 'small town/city" vibes like Boise.

socaltownie;841990627 said:

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I thought at the time that a key issue for him when USC and UCLA were trying to get him was where he wanted to raise his kids.....that Boise just appealed to he and his wife on that metric.

I would love to see him come but a) You gotta respect the heck out of a guy who puts family first and b) we can offer better than LA but it is hard to think of where you get a small town vibe with kids in the urbanized bay area within commute distance of UCB. Danville/Orinda _MAYBE_ but even those are not 'small town/city" vibes like Boise.

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Trying to keep my emotions and expectations in check, but I really like Petersen. He's quality, through and through:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11135069

There are places, and not that far away. I live in a beautiful canyon, well, septic system, creek on the property, 2 small caves - rural. We love it! We are 20 minutes from downtown Morgan Hill, and about the same from Oakridge Mall in San Jose. There are such places in the Bay Area...

We are no Boise, make no mistake, but we are no LA either, that's for sure. Yosemite is what, 2 hours away? Yuba City (home), also... He has two sons. The youngest would seem to be about 13 or 14 years old. A university education for both is rapidly approaching...