This finally explains why Sofele ever even got on the field. Ahead of Bigelow/Anderson?? I've always felt Gould was just as much to blame as Tedford.

grandmastapoop;842019211 said:

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Ridiculous. What the hell are WE going to learn that WE won't repeat? We are fans. We are not in charge of the program.

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Exactly so.
The (non)performance is a matter of record, academically and athletically.
Barbour will really need to prove herself with this fiasco.
The Buck (and bills) are on her desk.
Good luck, Sandy.

BearyWhite;842019150 said:

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I agree. Banded posters are much easier to identify once you catch them, and if they use colored bands you can usually even identify them through binoculars in the field.

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Brilliant! And if posters get banded they are also more likely to hat. If they hat, they'd be even easier to identify assuming the band and hat are the same color

SnoozerBear;842019167 said:

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Clearly everyone must have an agenda right?





Be brave, fight hard, fight for what you believe in. Your resilience is to be admired...



and I envy your bliss.

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My, aren't you witty. I hope you had a big smile when you hit enter, because you truly earned it.

bar20;842019213 said:

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This whole thread sounds like a bunch of girls sitting around a table at The Cheesecake Factory sipping Cosmopolitans and gossiping about their husbands and boyfriends. I could care less what happened last season. The coach got fired for a myriad of reasons. I am looking forward to the 2013 season, 2012's is over.

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Guys are worse gossip mongers than women; so what: it is good therapy.

okaydo;842019157 said:

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2 photos.

Look: There are many things that make me think this is legit. That this isn't some troll.

Unfortunately, if I go into detail, it'll give a hint as to who it is or who it is not.

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Okaydo, I also swapped a few PMs with this same person - the specifics of the PMs are nearly identical. I'm pretty sure I could fill in the redacted portions if I was pressed to do so. I didn't feel the need to ask for proof of a parental relationship of the person who PM'd me, since I don't usually do that for any other Boston Market posters on this board. It has been pretty easy for me to see from the body of work put on the field this year that something was not right with the team. Whether the allegations of individuals are true, or not, you can see that this team does not play like a team. For those of us who have been lucky enough to see a few really good CAL teams over the years, I think you can feel when something isn't right. The wrong people look like they are just going through the motions on the field and on the sideline. There is no emotion from those who you would expect it from. Some of the decisions this year appear to defy logic. Bundled all together I was convinced several weeks ago that change needed to happen regardless of the specifics. Sometimes you need a wholesale shift in order to reinvigorate your program. Despite how this all went down, who was responsible and culpable, who did or didn't do their job, I will always be appreciative of Coach Tedford's effort to make CAL football a better program. His efforts as it applies to the stadium project should not be cast to the side. When the time is right, I will put my support behind recognizing him as a pivotal figure in CAL sports/football history. Regardless of how things have turned out, I don't think you can deny Tedford his due.

As an anonymous poster I call bullS$ht on this anonymous parent.

This is what I have been hearing from players and their parents for several years and is what accounts for my less than enthusiastic attitude about JT in recent years. Those who know me also know I would not publish anything this damaging because of its negative effect on school/program (I did allow myself the indulgence of criticizing the JT offense as "run right, roll out left and throw to my brother") -- But here it is folks, and it accounts for a whole lot of what you have been seeing on the field.

ayetee11;842019090 said:

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My gut feeling says Allen just wanted the receptions record. I am happy he's gone if so, I just refuse to believe a parent would feel the need to pm a poster and go so far to send pictures to prove it.

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hoping one of our current WRs (Treggs, Harper) take the record from him asap.

So, it was your sense it was a parent who followed the board? A parent who took the time to figure who should be PM'd?" How many people got PM'd, as alas, I did not?
What was the point contacting you/others considering Tedford has already been fired?

I happen to know that anonymous parent's son is lousy at football and a malcontent.

mbBear;842019242 said:

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So, it was your sense it was a parent who followed the board? A parent who took the time to figure who should be PM'd?" How many people got PM'd, as alas, I did not?
What was the point contacting you/others considering Tedford has already been fired?

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All I can say is the PM was not completely unsolicited, as it was in response to something specific I said in a thread. I have no reason to believe the person wasn't telling the truth. They didn't ask me to do anything with the information they provided. I wouldn't have even brought the content of the PM up if it wasn't for this thread. I believe it is a parent who does follow this board enough to know how to use the board. I'd have to ask you why it is you think the person would allegedly target me? Am I such a force of nature on this board that the person knew if they could convince me I could sway all the powers of evil against all that is good? :rollinglaugh:

I only have 2458 posts - who am I?

Lets say this really is a parent of a player and they are being truthful.

Much of what was said could be misinterpretations. I also don't believe KA goes around parading that if ZM doesn't play then he doesn't play.

I also don't see how JT can stay head coach for so long with such excessive lack of discipline. It also doesn't jive with public comments for players like Isi that "we all respect Coach Tedford" when asked about going for it on 4th and 1 against tOSU. Would you hug a coach like he was your father if you lacked respect for him?

Other stuff sounds plausible and less opinion based. Maybe some kids missed classes of we're caught napping. Then again I missed classes and napped on campus all the time. I also dropped classes I knew I was going to fail. I still graduated in 4 with a decent GPA.

I find stuff like OL whiffing to be less plausible. That would really hurt a players prospect for the future and assume that most D1 student athletes (particularly at Cal) have more pride in their personal performance than to do something like this. Also the worst OL player was a senior who never started until this year so it's easier to conclude that this had more to do with inability.

Parents arent always innocent either. Not directly accusing this one but remember the stories about DJax father getting on Tedford? Parents are biased too.

I think it's probably all true, just not all in the proper context. No doubt there were all kinds of discipline issues. Of course, when you're losing and your QB is inconsistent, there is going to be a divide in the locker room - especially on a Tedford coached team where the backup doesn't play. The part about Allen not playing if his brother doesn't play I'm sure was just something he made known to those players who felt Bridgeford should be playing.

CALiforniALUM;842019247 said:

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All I can say is the PM was not completely unsolicited, as it was in response to something specific I said in a thread. I have no reason to believe the person wasn't telling the truth. They didn't ask me to do anything with the information they provided. I wouldn't have even brought the content of the PM up if it wasn't for this thread. I believe it is a parent who does follow this board enough to know how to use the board. I'd have to ask you why it is you think the person would allegedly target me? Am I such a force of nature on this board that the person knew if they could convince me I could sway all the powers of evil against all that is good? :rollinglaugh:

I only have 2458 posts - who am I?

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As I wrote above, I've found enough evidence -- aside from the photos!!! -- that proves the person who contacted me is who he/she says he/she is.

Of course, there is still the possibility that the person isn't who he/she says he/she is, but that would require 2 things:

1) Years of planning.

2) Great psychic ability.


Otherwise, it looks legit.

Due to some personal character defect, I just read this whole thread. Alas, now I don't know much more than when I started, and it is still too early to get stiff drink.

The conditioning stuff is inexcusable. Mora caught a lot of heat for running his guys ragged this summer at UCLA. People said that kind of harsh conditioning didn't have a place in college football anymore. He tuned that criticism out and has a winner on the field this year.

$500m on facilities later, our players should expect to be challenged to push themselves as hard as physically possible. All that offseason and practice pain pays off at gametime. Its not enough to wear a neat t-shirt with a slogan or to have a bunch of posters in the weight room.

I hope the next coach demands a much higher standard in our team's conditioning. If guys think they are too big for the program or for continuing to sweat alongside their teammates, they do not deserve to wear the Blue and Gold.

I seriously hope the o-line part is true. Maybe then it means they're not as FUBAR as we think they are, and maybe they'll be able to give Kline some semblance of a pocket next year.

okaydo;842019253 said:

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As I wrote above, I've found enough evidence -- aside from the photos!!! -- that proves the person who contacted me is who he/she says he/she is.

Of course, there is still the possibility that the person isn't who he/she says he/she is, but that would require 2 things:

1) Years of planning.

2) Great psychic ability.


Otherwise, it looks legit.

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It all makes too much sense...as to what a lot of us "saw" were obvious flaws...that for some inexplicable (=we now know why, perhaps?) reason were not being "corrected" by the HC...

I STILL blame DrunkOski and Blueblood! ( and, to a lesser extent, that 72 guy.)

As for the poster who wrote, "I don't know you but have heard the same from other parents, coaches and friends of both. I would never bad mouth Tedford, but I believe what you arfe saying is true. It has been backed up by others." ,this is the best example of the Good Old Boys Network theory of everything that I have ever read.

freshfunk;842019248 said:

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I also don't see how JT can stay head coach for so long with such excessive lack of discipline. It also doesn't jive with public comments for players like Isi that "we all respect Coach Tedford" when asked about going for it on 4th and 1 against tOSU. Would you hug a coach like he was your father if you lacked respect for him?

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It makes sense if you think of the discipline as gradually slipping throughout his tenure. When he started as head coach, discipline was a big deal and it showed on the field. As the years went on (most likely from 2007 onward) the discipline started slipping until it became the mess we saw last year. That explains how he remained coach for so long: he started extremely well, and then the decline was so gradual as to be almost imperceptible (until many years have gone by).

As for why players wouldn't have made public comments: well, would YOU want to publicly criticize a coach who could bury you on the bench? Also, no one is saying that every player disliked the man; part of having a locker room divide is that there are guys who support the coach and guys who don't, and they split into factions.

okaydo;842019157 said:

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2 photos.

Look: There are many things that make me think this is legit. That this isn't some troll.
Unfortunately, if I go into detail, it'll give a hint as to who it is or who it is not.

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I too received the PM and for the the same reasons as okaydo, believe the person to be legit.

Okaydo did not just throw this post on here. He put much thought into the ramifications of doing it and I'm confident that he has done his best to vet the source.

6956bear;842019171 said:

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I have heard many stories about uneven discipline being applied in the Cal program. I have not heard about KA only playing if ZM was at QB. I was told that despite what we saw these past 2 seasons that ZM was in fact the best QB on the team. Kline may have more ability but was not going to unseat ZM this Fall. The choice to RS Kline was a good one IMO. Hinder may have been the overlooked QB at least from what I have heard.

The football culture at Cal needs to be transformed. There is talent (although not as much as some think) and a winning season next year is possible. A strong coach and staff can turn things around quickly IMO. The program is in need of real leadership. Starts at the top but players can and should play a role. With early entrees into the NFL it is hard to find really good seniors that can be team leaders. But this off season the team will need some guys to step up and assume a real leadership role.

On defense I think Nick Forbes and Avery Sebastien have enough ability and the right mentality to become leaders. On offense it looks less certain to me. You would love seniors to assume the role. That will have to built from within.

The general concern that the program lacks discipline has been told to me many times as well. That the ship was not that tightly run. This will be one of the first orders of business the next coach needs to address. Look at Stanford. Harbaugh transformed that program completely. Shaw has taken over and they look the same. Look at USC. Kiffin continues to run a less tightly run ship, and they underperform relative to talent.

Discipline and commitment are essential in football. There is so much preparation time and hard work that goes into football. If you lack discipline it shows up in the results. This thread is the single biggest reason I believe Cal needs a PROVEN HC. The ship needs to get righted and now.

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i see the reason for this post but why now need to move forward not backward( NO IF JT HAD NOT BEEN FIRED ) ... i have spoken about this topic with a few posters ... well damn he is gone hope all that senior plays first crap is out PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!


ONE MORE NOTE IF THIS IS REMOTELY TRUE COACH M HAS TO GO AND ARROYO ALONG ANYONE INVOLVED IN THIS MESS

Probably complete fiction created by Nega's with an agenda.

Why would anyone create this out of thin air? I believed the whole Allen-Maynard package deal from day one. Its not a conspiracy - it happened. Not being a football insider I cannot guarantee confirmation that it actually happened but so what?

And I hear alot of bad-mouthing on the parent in question. So what if he/she wants to vent. So what if they want to throw these two malcontents under the bus? More power to them. At least it will begin to shed light on how bad things really were on this team.

I've said from the get go that Maynard had no business starting for any team in the Pac12. That Tedford would even agree to this deal is proof that he truly lost it and was desperate to try anything to win.

Hopefully basic fairness will return to this football team.

cal98;842019027 said:

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So much for the theory that JT always played those that practiced best.

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what if you are being punked? ... that is not a parent folks

These problems can not be corrected by the HC because they are manifestations of poor coaching. In other words, a poor HC can't fix the problems because he is the problem.

With Dykes as our HC we may have 3-4 receivers that pass up Allen within the next three years.

txwharfrat;842019310 said:

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With Dykes as our HC we may have 3-4 receivers that pass up Allen within the next three years.

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You are as persistent with your lobbying for Dykes as I am with Petersen. Lol. I, like all of us, am on pins and needles waiting for the announcement. It's shall be interesting to say the least.

txwharfrat;842019310 said:

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With Dykes as our HC we may have 3-4 receivers that pass up Allen within the next three years.

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Forget anyone named Sonny, Bubba, JimBob, Bo....

:axe

going4roses;842019275 said:

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i see the reason for this post but why now need to move forward not backward( NO IF JT HAD NOT BEEN FIRED ) ... i have spoken about this topic with a few posters ... well damn he is gone hope all that senior plays first crap is out PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!


ONE MORE NOTE IF THIS IS REMOTELY TRUE COACH M HAS TO GO AND ARROYO ALONG ANYONE INVOLVED IN THIS MESS

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Don't believe any of that crap about the OL letting guys get through, because they didn't believe ZM should be a starter. Even though those guys struggled this year, I know each one of them takes a tremendous amount of pride in what they do, and I know they've taken these losses harder than anyone.

I do believe it is extremely difficult for power running OL to block for a spread guy in ZM. Marshall, our former OL coach, would have been a perfect fit for ZM and his scrambling ways. Marshall had his guys trimmed up and mobile. However, they weren't very good in run blocking. And they weren't very good at creating pockets. I think what we seen here from our OL is the lingering affects of Marshall, and a QB doesn't know how to step up into the pocket.

This year was such an anomaly for Coach M- compared to previous years with Cal, when the running game was the best in the conference, and at times, the nation. He's the only coach I truly believe we need to keep. It would be a real shame if he's let go.

sycasey;842019273 said:

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It makes sense if you think of the discipline as gradually slipping throughout his tenure. When he started as head coach, discipline was a big deal and it showed on the field. As the years went on (most likely from 2007 onward) the discipline started slipping until it became the mess we saw last year. That explains how he remained coach for so long: he started extremely well, and then the decline was so gradual as to be almost imperceptible (until many years have gone by).

As for why players wouldn't have made public comments: well, would YOU want to publicly criticize a coach who could bury you on the bench? Also, no one is saying that every player disliked the man; part of having a locker room divide is that there are guys who support the coach and guys who don't, and they split into factions.

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JT is a man who is stubborn in his ways. I just don't see him enforcing discipline during the early years and then not doing it later. He took out the starting QB for the first quarter of the first game for missing a tutorin session. That is a man who's a stickler for rules even if it screws him.

As far as public comments: It's just more plausible that KA was mouthing off to protect his brother. Nothing unexpected there. Him saying he wouldn't play is a stupid, empty threat that would throwaway his own future knowing full well how bad his own brother is. Come game time KA would probably play than sacrifice his NFL future for a brother who won't even play in the CFL.

Division in the team is really a matter of opinion. When any team is losing, people will point fingers. I'm sure the last few years the defense has felt like the offense has been the real problem. We all know that the QB gets a lot of the praise during wins and blame durin losses. Given that we were losing a lot this year, naturally there would be tension.

The use of the word "factions" seems overly dramatic. The defensive players are probably closer and so are the offensive players. The OL guys play as a unit and the RBs also form a unit. You could call these "factions" but I see a group of players by position that probably share common opinions.

This is just my read and if I talked to more players then perhaps I'd think differently. I'm just not so quick to buy into all the drama given how bad the season went. I also go by what I see / hear directly from the players (post game) as opposed to second hand accounts.

I have no reason doubt any of you. The timing doesn't question the credibility, but it certainly questions the motivation. Of course, they could respond to me that they would never have written what they did if Tedford was remaining as the coach, so as to not rock the boat. But now it just comes across as trying to make sure Tedford isn't remembered too fondly, unless I am missing the point.

freshfunk;842019248 said:

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Much of what was said could be misinterpretations. I also don't believe KA goes around parading that if ZM doesn't play then he doesn't play.


....I find stuff like OL whiffing to be less plausible. That would really hurt a players prospect for the future and assume that most D1 student athletes (particularly at Cal) have more pride in their personal performance than to do something like this. Also the worst OL player was a senior who never started until this year so it's easier to conclude that this had more to do with inability.

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You underestimate the hubris of a 18-19-20-21-year old athlete...particular if one has been coddled as the BMOC.

OL doing ole'...happens all the time, not that uncommon. Pride in performance, really? see above about athletic hubris and age. Ever been around 100 18-19-20-year olds?...big ole sausage fest, douche-bag world, who's the biggest jack-off. ****-off somebody that you rely-on to get your job done, see how well they perform for you after some shitty comments. Not a surprise at how the OL performed given the circumstances, like I said, happens all the time. Its the really good teams, clicking on all cylinders, that this doesn't happen. Good coaches figure this stuff real quick....problem is there's not that many good coaches.

mbBear;842019331 said:

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I have no reason doubt any of you. The timing doesn't question the credibility, but it certainly questions the motivation. Of course, they could respond to me that they would never have written what they did if Tedford was remaining as the coach, so as to not rock the boat. But now it just comes across as trying to make sure Tedford isn't remembered too fondly, unless I am missing the point.

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Most likely they just feel free to comment now. If they had said this stuff when Tedford was still the coach, they risk having themselves or their sons frozen out by the coaching staff if it gets tracked back to them. You know how JT was with keeping things private.