Trey Cheeks is pissed on twitter
Looks like Ambrose is gone
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Last: 13 yr ago by 89Bear
Maybe the new DC has his staff already set?
Isn't the background from Trey's twitter a pic that someone here took? I forget who it was.
He's also waiting to see what happens so hopefully there's some good hires coming soon.
He's also waiting to see what happens so hopefully there's some good hires coming soon.
sorry ... but who or what is Trey Cheeks?
SonOfCalVa;842039450 said:
sorry ... but who or what is Trey Cheeks?
Cal DB commit for 2013.
remember Cal commits... you commit to the school, not the position coach.
in Shaq Thompson's case, it wasn't even the position coach-Ambrose was never mentioned in the back and forth Shaq drama, from my recollection.
Ambrose did a good job of helping to secure McClure, K.Jackson, and Avery. Williams is a solid D-back, no doubt, but not all-world, and the guys who left last year were fair(Cattouse and Campbell). Ambrose seemed to have done an okay job with Cal, but not someone who can't be replaced.
Ambrose did a good job of helping to secure McClure, K.Jackson, and Avery. Williams is a solid D-back, no doubt, but not all-world, and the guys who left last year were fair(Cattouse and Campbell). Ambrose seemed to have done an okay job with Cal, but not someone who can't be replaced.
SonOfCalVa;842039450 said:
sorry ... but who or what is Trey Cheeks?
A rapper who is a friend to the program, like Adam Duritz.
it is the " Relationships gone in the wind " the connection that lead ash to shon and trey gone ... i dont know about you but loss of coaches vs damaging this recruiting class may hurt depth in short term as well as long term
just wondering if sonny sat down and looked at the whole roster and vs commits vs hiring/firing coaches loss of commits ... being this is CAL and things around here special....hope considered last yrs mess at recruiting time
just wondering if sonny sat down and looked at the whole roster and vs commits vs hiring/firing coaches loss of commits ... being this is CAL and things around here special....hope considered last yrs mess at recruiting time
Looks like a nice kid. And look at Tedford, it's like he just stepped out of a time machine from 2002...
I always felt ambrose was okay, but not great. I'm not surprised he was let go.
going4roses;842039638 said:
it is the " Relationships gone in the wind " the connection that lead ash to shon and trey gone ... i dont know about you but loss of coaches vs damaging this recruiting class may hurt depth in short term as well as long term
just wondering if sonny sat down and looked at the whole roster and vs commits vs hiring/firing coaches loss of commits ... being this is CAL and things around here special....hope considered last yrs mess at recruiting time
I doubt Sonny is able to look at the big picture like you...
Though you don't know for sure, Cal's recruiting could pick up with the new staff, see UCLA last year. Secondly, you don't know how much its the "relationship" vs. the "wanting to come to Cal" that ties the given commit. Lastly, there is a chance that the coach (be it the regional contact or the position coach, or both) has an equal to better relationship with the player.
IF you were concerned about the most recent staff and their relationships securing a recruiting class (now and future) then you should have been at the head of the "Keep Tedford" posters. NOTHING about "not keeping" any of the assistants is shocking-this does happen when a new coach comes in.
Cal's recruiting class is about 40th ranked right now; last year was fair. There is PLENTY of room for improvement, and just like many of us think Sonny is an upgrade on the field, you have to believe he and his staff will be an upgrade in recruiting as well, at least, in time.
IF you were concerned about the most recent staff and their relationships securing a recruiting class (now and future) then you should have been at the head of the "Keep Tedford" posters. NOTHING about "not keeping" any of the assistants is shocking-this does happen when a new coach comes in.
Cal's recruiting class is about 40th ranked right now; last year was fair. There is PLENTY of room for improvement, and just like many of us think Sonny is an upgrade on the field, you have to believe he and his staff will be an upgrade in recruiting as well, at least, in time.
New DC should pick his own assistants. Not surprised.
mbBear;842039752 said:
Though you don't know for sure, Cal's recruiting could pick up with the new staff, see UCLA last year. Secondly, you don't know how much its the "relationship" vs. the "wanting to come to Cal" that ties the given commit. Lastly, there is a chance that the coach (be it the regional contact or the position coach, or both) has an equal to better relationship with the player.
IF you were concerned about the most recent staff and their relationships securing a recruiting class (now and future) then you should have been at the head of the "Keep Tedford" posters. NOTHING about "not keeping" any of the assistants is shocking-this does happen when a new coach comes in.
Cal's recruiting class is about 40th ranked right now; last year was fair. There is PLENTY of room for improvement, and just like many of us think Sonny is an upgrade on the field, you have to believe he and his staff will be an upgrade in recruiting as well, at least, in time.
I was not in the keep Tedford camp (Nevada fiasco was the last straw for me) but if it's true that we're not keeping any assistants this is really dumb.
Cal had a top 25 class last year. JT needed to go but it wasn't due to poor recruiting.
Mora retained UCLA assistants, which enabled him to keep the relationships in place. So if Sonny cans all of our assistants including our best recruiters don't expect to close like Mora did at UCLA. Mora got a a great class. JT partly by keeping Gould and partly by he and his staff having current relationships in place on the West Coast not only managed to salvage a decent class but was able to get a head start on a great 2003 class that vaulted us into the top 10.
Looperbear;842039773 said:
I was not in the keep Tedford camp (Nevada fiasco was the last straw for me) but if it's true that we're not keeping any assistants this is really dumb.
Cal had a top 25 class last year. JT needed to go but it wasn't due to poor recruiting.
Mora retained UCLA assistants, which enabled him to keep the relationships in place. So if Sonny cans all of our assistants including our best recruiters don't expect to close like Mora did at UCLA. Mora got a a great class. JT partly by keeping Gould and partly by he and his staff having current relationships in place on the West Coast not only managed to salvage a decent class but was able to get a head start on a great 2003 class that vaulted us into the top 10.
Go look up the assistants Mora brought in. They are excellent recruiters. They were responsible, along with Mora, in bringing in NEW recruits after the hiring.
ASU did the same thing. New assistants were known for being great recruiters.
Crazy how people NEVER spoke of Ambrose before now. Apparently now that he MIGHT be gone he is the greatest to ever step foot on a football field.
So typical.
Looperbear;842039773 said:
I was not in the keep Tedford camp (Nevada fiasco was the last straw for me) but if it's true that we're not keeping any assistants this is really dumb.
Cal had a top 25 class last year. JT needed to go but it wasn't due to poor recruiting.
Mora retained UCLA assistants, which enabled him to keep the relationships in place. So if Sonny cans all of our assistants including our best recruiters don't expect to close like Mora did at UCLA. Mora got a a great class. JT partly by keeping Gould and partly by he and his staff having current relationships in place on the West Coast not only managed to salvage a decent class but was able to get a head start on a great 2003 class that vaulted us into the top 10.
Mora did not retain assistants (plural), he retained 1 single assistant from the previous regime. UCLA got a great class because Mora brought in Adrian Klemm.
slider643;842039781 said:
Mora did not retain assistants (plural), he retained 1 single assistant from the previous regime. UCLA got a great class because Mora brought in Adrian Klemm.
You are incorrect. Mora retained holdover assistants, plural.
Even MacIntyre at Colorado is allegedly bringing a lot of his coaches from SJSU...
Go Sonny! The "fit" is important for his staff.
Go Sonny! The "fit" is important for his staff.
I am completely missing your indignation with all of this, sorry. New coach, new offensive scheme, and he cleans house. University giving him (we assume) strict orders that 7 win seasons aren't good enough, nor are the graduation rates. This is not re-inventing college football.
Both coordinators were new hires for UCLA, and several others-I think I was up to 5 that were new and stopped counting; if they kept a couple, good for them. I see this as Cal letting go a coach who had sent several RB's to the NFL, and letting go coaches who have never coached in a BCS game, or in the case of UCLA, even a Pac-12 championship game.
Top 25 last year still doesn't get my indignation going, especially when the expectation is for the team to be in the neighborhood of a Top 15 performance level.
Again, Gould, or whomever, may some day have a bust in Canton for all I know, but given where Cal is and who they hired, its not "dumb," it was expected...
Both coordinators were new hires for UCLA, and several others-I think I was up to 5 that were new and stopped counting; if they kept a couple, good for them. I see this as Cal letting go a coach who had sent several RB's to the NFL, and letting go coaches who have never coached in a BCS game, or in the case of UCLA, even a Pac-12 championship game.
Top 25 last year still doesn't get my indignation going, especially when the expectation is for the team to be in the neighborhood of a Top 15 performance level.
Again, Gould, or whomever, may some day have a bust in Canton for all I know, but given where Cal is and who they hired, its not "dumb," it was expected...
mbBear;842039788 said:
I am completely missing your indignation with all of this, sorry. New coach, new offensive scheme, and he cleans house. University giving him (we assume) strict orders that 7 win seasons aren't good enough, nor are the graduation rates. This is not re-inventing college football.
Both coordinators were new hires for UCLA, and several others-I think I was up to 5 that were new and stopped counting; if they kept a couple, good for them. I see this as Cal letting go a coach who had sent several RB's to the NFL, and letting go coaches who have never coached in a BCS game, or in the case of UCLA, even a Pac-12 championship game.
Top 25 last year still doesn't get my indignation going, especially when the expectation is for the team to be in the neighborhood of a Top 15 performance level.
Again, Gould, or whomever, may some day have a bust in Canton for all I know, but given where Cal is and who they hired, its not "dumb," it was expected...
We'll see. I think it will be impossible for Sonny to hire a running backs coach who is a better West Coast recruiter than Gould. Wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong but I think letting Gould go is dumb. If in fact all assistants are canned, that's not how others--Mora at UCLA and JT when he came here--with success have done it.
Looperbear;842039785 said:
You are incorrect. Mora retained holdover assistants, plural.
He kept Angus McClure.
Looperbear;842039793 said:
We'll see. I think it will be impossible for Sonny to hire a running backs coach who is a better West Coast recruiter than Gould. Wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong but I think letting Gould go is dumb. If in fact all assistants are canned, that's not how others--Mora at UCLA and JT when he came here--with success have done it.
How many assistants did harbaugh keep? Zero
The whole Cal program needed a cleansing. If we lose a
Few dudes then so be it. Sh*t was toxic.
Few dudes then so be it. Sh*t was toxic.
UCLA kept one guy. "Others"-its not unheard of for all to be gone. Maybe Gould makes the cut if he isn't the RB coach, but it is a different offense.
That's pretty high recruiting accolades for Gould. I'm not sure who over the last few years (I will give you Bigelow)is tied specifically to Gould vs. Tosh vs. others (and, in the case of Kline and Goff for example, tied to the University.) We will see if Muhammad sticks.
To me, this isn't about success this coming February. Its much bigger picture than that.
That's pretty high recruiting accolades for Gould. I'm not sure who over the last few years (I will give you Bigelow)is tied specifically to Gould vs. Tosh vs. others (and, in the case of Kline and Goff for example, tied to the University.) We will see if Muhammad sticks.
To me, this isn't about success this coming February. Its much bigger picture than that.
slider643;842039800 said:
He kept Angus McClure.
And Marques T, who was hired by Skippy in February 2011 and then retained by Mora in December 2011. In December 2011 Mora also announced that he was retaining the DL coach but wound up leaving later. So that's at least 3 guys that at this time last year Mora was keeping on at UCLA. And he also hired guys with current ties to Pac 12/West Coast recruiting, not a bunch of guys who'd been in Louisiana for the past 3 years.
So we have the Mora/JT model or the Sonny model. Let's see if next year Sonny beats our rival and gets us in the conference championship and the Holiday Bowl (Mora) or we win another 6 games and beat teams we haven't beaten in awhile and have huge wins (JT--beating UW, Stanford and Michigan State would be akin to Sonny beating two of Oregon, SC or Stanford and Ohio State).
uw and michigan state are mediocre, at best.
The most important thing for Dykes and his new DC is to make sure they have the right coaches on staff. There is a ton of time left to work on the current class.
I have no problem with a clean slate. I appreciate what the former staff did. Sonny needs to make sure he has his guys.
I have no problem with a clean slate. I appreciate what the former staff did. Sonny needs to make sure he has his guys.
Looperbear;842039810 said:
And Marques T, who was hired by Skippy in February 2011 and then retained by Mora in December 2011. In December 2011 Mora also announced that he was retaining the DL coach but wound up leaving later. So that's at least 3 guys that at this time last year Mora was keeping on at UCLA. And he also hired guys with current ties to Pac 12/West Coast recruiting, not a bunch of guys who'd been in Louisiana for the past 3 years.
So we have the Mora/JT model or the Sonny model. Let's see if next year Sonny beats our rival and gets us in the conference championship and the Holiday Bowl (Mora) or we win another 6 games and beat teams we haven't beaten in awhile and have huge wins (JT--beating UW, Stanford and Michigan State would be akin to Sonny beating two of Oregon, SC or Stanford and Ohio State).
Tuiasosopo was an intern in the football office under Neuheisel, he wasn't on staff. The DL coach you speak of is Angus McClure, and he's still on staff. That's one, singular.
slider643;842039821 said:
Tuiasosopo was an intern in the football office under Neuheisel, he wasn't on staff. The DL coach you speak of is Angus McClure, and he's still on staff. That's one, singular.
Wrong. Link below. Marques T. was the quarterbacks coach at the time Mora came on board and then he retained him. Brecketfield was the guy I was thinking of. So as of this time last year, Mora had retained three coaches.
But hey, let's see if Sonny brings in someone better than Gould who's put more RBs in the NFL than him and has brought in someone better than Bigelow. Oh wait, no such person exists.
If Sonny and Sandy are dumb enough to let Gould slip away, it will be to our detriment.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/ucla/post/_/id/9256/jim-mora-adds-five-assistant-coaches
Looperbear;842039825 said:
Wrong. Link below. Marques T. was the quarterbacks coach at the time Mora came on board and then he retained him. Brecketfield was the guy I was thinking of. So as of this time last year, Mora had retained three coaches.
But hey, let's see if Sonny brings in someone better than Gould who's put more RBs in the NFL than him and has brought in someone better than Bigelow. Oh wait, no such person exists.
If Sonny and Sandy are dumb enough to let Gould slip away, it will be to our detriment.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/ucla/post/_/id/9256/jim-mora-adds-five-assistant-coaches
Tuiasosopo was named quarterbacks coach for the bowl game, he was an intern for the entire regular season. He couldn't recruit.
I don't know about Breckterfield, but whether he left on his own or simply not retained, it doesn't matter since he wasn't helping with recruiting by being absent.
One coach was retained and recruiting, singular.
slider643;842039827 said:
Tuiasosopo was named quarterbacks coach for the bowl game, he was an intern for the entire regular season. He couldn't recruit.
He could recruit and was recruiting at the time Mora retained him.
Looperbear;842039829 said:
He could recruit and was recruiting at the time Mora retained him.
He was an intern, he couldn't recruit until he was put on staff. At most, he was recruiting for a month from his hiring at the end of the regular season til Neuheisel's firing after the bowl game. There's no continuity there. That does nothing to support your argument.
We certainly recruited some very good RBs during Gould's tenure but was he not often cited here as the reason Bigelow spent more time on the bench than on the field?
It's not common to keep assistants when there is a coaching change because most coaches want their guys and they want a clean start. Sure it can affect recruiting but do you want a guy who was recruited by the old staff if he isn't a fit for the new system and/or doesn't want to be there because the guy who recruited him isn't there?
Urban Meyer typically loses players from his roster when he comes in as there is a house cleaning with the attitude of you're onboard or or you're not on scholly.
It has to be a dicatorship otherwise it's hard to respect the coach.
Sure it's unfortunate that good coaches lose their job but that's part of a coaching change.
Urban Meyer typically loses players from his roster when he comes in as there is a house cleaning with the attitude of you're onboard or or you're not on scholly.
It has to be a dicatorship otherwise it's hard to respect the coach.
Sure it's unfortunate that good coaches lose their job but that's part of a coaching change.
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