OT: Lance admits he's only sorry he got caught

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TouchedTheAxeIn82
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I'm pretty sure Lance just said a few minutes ago that his biggest regret was his cycling comeback in '09, because he thinks he would have gotten away with it if he stayed retired.

No, his biggest regret wasn't destroying the lives of Betsy and Frank Andreu, Emma O'Reilly, and several others. It wasn't living a lie. It wasn't defrauding the American taxpayer (who funded the Postal Service team). :facepalm
okaydo
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Man, that was a good interview. Can't wait for Part 2 tomorrow.

Oprah brought it.

Instead of rehabilitating his image, Lance came across as a sociopath.
calgldnbear
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I guess Lance figures if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying ...

So sad really, some people just don't care who gets hurt along the way and then they think saying sorry fixes everything ....
Boot
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He's a bully and a complete ass hol&. I hope somebody runs him off the road.
manus
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"That hole" he dug for himself just keep getting bigger and bigger.

He doesn't even know how to do himself a favor (=let alone the rest of us) by just disappearing...

He's become a cartoon.
Muncie
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link to the interview ?
TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Muncie;842064699 said:

link to the interview ?


Part 1:

http://ownspecial.oprah.com/lancearmstrong.html
Muncie
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TouchedTheAxeIn82;842064727 said:

Part 1:

http://ownspecial.oprah.com/lancearmstrong.html




Thank you.
KoreAmBear
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Good on him. I personally like completely vague like Jason Giambi, i.e. "I'm sorry that I did whatever I did."
Big C
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I love -- actually, I'm being ironic, I DON'T love -- the reactions by folks like SI's Rick Reilly about him not being contrite enough... What's he supposed to do, break down and cry on camera all of a sudden after years and years of bold-faced lies?

What he did stands on its own merits (or, in this case, its lack thereof). Who gives a crap how contrite he looks on camera? Gawd, the American Apology Process is stupid...
okaydo
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The NY Times reported he cried.

He didn't cry tonight, so I guess he'll cry in Part 2.
1979bear
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Some viewers wanted a "perfect" response. There isn't one. He did the apology. That is enough. He doesn't owe viewers anything. He owes family, friends and former teammates. But you and I are entitled to nothing from him.


Big C_Cal;842064761 said:

I love -- actually, I'm being ironic, I DON'T love -- the reactions by folks like SI's Rick Reilly about him not being contrite enough... What's he supposed to do, break down and cry on camera all of a sudden after years and years of bold-faced lies?

What he did stands on its own merits (or, in this case, its lack thereof). Who gives a crap how contrite he looks on camera? Gawd, the American Apology Process is stupid...
socaltownie
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I don't care.
freshfunk
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One part of the interview he talks about doing it because of a win at all costs attitude. I think he was being pretty honest there

However, it seems like that's the same attitude he's taking behind this interview. He's banned from competing and the only way he can win at this point is to apologize, sincere or not, so that he can compete again.

I would say that he didn't really seem apologetic for cheating. I would say that he's apologetic to let LiveStrong down. While I'm disappointed he cheated, I think it says a lot about the sham that professional cycling is.

I think he's lived with the lies for too long and peddled a different reality so many times that there's no longer any resentment around it. He's had to justify it to himself for nearly a decade b
burritos
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Of the evildoers in the world, he ranks low on my list. Why does anyone care? Without him, a generation of Americans would never have known what the Tour de Fart is.
Our Domicile
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Lance was just a dirty participant in a dirty Sport.

No way is this the Ben Johnson Olympic steroid situation where one man cheated against (allegedly) "clean" athletes. This is more like the MLB "everybody is doing it, do PEDs to keep a competitive edge among other cheaters" situation.

Cycling is a dirty sport and, ironically, I don't think Lance was the dirtiest cycler. One of the dirtiest, yes, but not the dirtiest.
beelzebear
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Hey lay off Lance, he only has one ball to man up with so he's gonna fall short.

BTW, the whole everyone was doping thing/level the field...I buy that to a degree because cycling is dirty. Lancie gets a little taken off for that.

What Lancie doesn't get off on is destroying people for sport and being a prick bully and the mastermind behind a dope ring.
dimitrig
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What these "level the playing field" idiots (like Lance) do not realize is that they are encouraging a lot of athletes who would not have otherwise doped to dope. I mean, if you have a doped up Lance Armstrong winning year after year after year then maybe you start to think "Man, I've got to do something to keep up with that guy." If the entire field is dirty it is because they were trying to keep up with Lance. He doesn't see it that way, of course...
cyrusthebear
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Flat out, Armstrong is a cheat of the worst kind. The guy knowingly takes performance enhancing drugs, then sues publishers for defamation who accuse him of doing so.

This guy gets no sympathy for me, and I hope he never competes again because frankly, he can't be trusted to compete fairly.
Our Domicile
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dimitrig;842065036 said:

What these "level the playing field" idiots (like Lance) do not realize is that they are encouraging a lot of athletes who would not have otherwise doped to dope. I mean, if you have a doped up Lance Armstrong winning year after year after year then maybe you start to think "Man, I've got to do something to keep up with that guy." If the entire field is dirty it is because they were trying to keep up with Lance. He doesn't see it that way, of course...




Yeah, right. Cycling was doped up long before Lance Armstrong --

List of doping cases in cycling
Phantomfan
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1979bear;842064865 said:

Some viewers wanted a "perfect" response. There isn't one. He did the apology. That is enough. He doesn't owe viewers anything. He owes family, friends and former teammates. But you and I are entitled to nothing from him.


Really?

His contract to be given MY money stated that he would not dope...

So, I feel very strongly that he DOES owe me (and every other taxpayer) something.




As for who else he owes and other ways he owes, he owes ME in that he perjured himself in MY court system in order to defame and rob people and organizations (the other groups he certainly owes).

Your response is so ignorant I have to assume you are not even paying attention.



Oddly, this is a rare case where is actually does owe something to everyone in the entire country.
bearsandgiants
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I would say there's a special place in hell for dudes like this, but I'm beginning to think hell may be overbooked.
Phantomfan
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cyrusthebear;842065046 said:

Flat out, Armstrong is a cheat of the worst kind. The guy knowingly takes performance enhancing drugs, then sues publishers for defamation who accuse him of doing so.

This guy gets no sympathy for me, and I hope he never competes again because frankly, he can't be trusted to compete fairly.


He should be sued for everything he will ever have, and in prison.


I believe that he WILL get sued for everything he will ever have, and more (good old punitive damages), and he may get prison time depending on how long this thing with Te'o's Girlfriend stays in the news.
beelzebear
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Paramount, JJ Abrams' Bad Robot Target Lance Armstrong Cheat Scandal For Pic

Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Paramount Pictures and Bad Robot partners JJ Abrams and Bryan Burk are going to make a movie about the epic rise and fall of doping bicyclist Lance Armstrong. They've just closed a deal for screen rights to Cycle Of Lies: The Fall Of Lance Armstrong, a proposal for a book that will be written by Juliet Macur for HarperCollins.


Wow that didn't take long...
StanRedrum
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Lance has demonstrated poor ethics. Steroids have no place in sports. We need to start hiring better staff and technicians to enforce these rules.
TouchedTheAxeIn82
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beelzebear;842065126 said:

Paramount, JJ Abrams' Bad Robot Target Lance Armstrong Cheat Scandal For Pic

Wow that didn't take long...


I love that. I've read many Juliet Macur articles; she's very straightforward, no particular animosity towards Lance. But because she kept up with and wrote about all aspects of the story (and often), I saw Lance take veiled shots at her on Twitter. So it's great to see that her diligent reporting is going to pay off for her.
Etchebeary
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Imagine all of the people shaking their livestrong bracelets in anger.
Big C
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Phantomfan;842065087 said:

Really?

His contract to be given MY money stated that he would not dope...

So, I feel very strongly that he DOES owe me (and every other taxpayer) something.




As for who else he owes and other ways he owes, he owes ME in that he perjured himself in MY court system in order to defame and rob people and organizations (the other groups he certainly owes).

Your response is so ignorant I have to assume you are not even paying attention.



Oddly, this is a rare case where is actually does owe something to everyone in the entire country.


I think what 1979Bear was referring to was that some people feel like they want to see some big-time emotional contrition, tears, etc. and he doesn't owe anybody that.

Personally, I think the two crappiest things that he did were...
1. Put pressure on athletes at all levels to do PEDs in order to win, this endangering their health, and...
2. Defame/fire/sue anybody that disagreed with him or got in his way

I don't feel like he owes ME anything, personally, except he should pay his debt to society, whatever that is deemed to be.
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Boot;842064647 said:

He's a bully and a complete ass hol&. I hope somebody runs him off the road.


My wife works for Delta Airlines, she says that everyone that has come into contact with him says he is a grade A asshole, just an egoist and a rude ass, and this was before all this crap came up.
philly1121
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1979bear;842064865 said:

Some viewers wanted a "perfect" response. There isn't one. He did the apology. That is enough. He doesn't owe viewers anything. He owes family, friends and former teammates. But you and I are entitled to nothing from him.


I completely agree with you. You know, I realize the guy is pretty much a douche. Oprah, who I was mildly impressed with for pretty much going straight at him, asked him the questions that everyone wanted to know. And he pretty much answered everything.

What gets me is this: he does what everyone wants him to do and has pressured him to do - which is come clean. So he admits nearly everything. There, done. So what's next? What exactly do you want him to do?

Does anyone think that "image" is something Lance Armstrong is worried about? One of the admissions that he made was that when he contracted cancer, he was singularly focused on beating his illness, stating very clearly that he "would have done anything to beat" his illness. This really resonated with me. And I wish Oprah would have followed this because this is the mindset that many cancer survivors have. My Dad included.

And if you look at many cancer survivors, they will tell you that their lives were changed forever. This mindset can lead to separation, divorce or a complete trajectory change in one's life. This is what happened to Lance. He brought his win at all costs attitude to cycling and it destroyed him.

I could give a damn if he was contrite or if he shed a tear. He's coming clean. He has a huge ego. He knew what he was doing was wrong and he admitted this in the interview. He is probably going to get sued at some point for either obstruction of justice (lying) or for his endorsement money.

What more do you want from him? Apologizing in America is a very very dangerous game.
philly1121
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Phantomfan;842065087 said:

Really?

His contract to be given MY money stated that he would not dope...

So, I feel very strongly that he DOES owe me (and every other taxpayer) something.

As for who else he owes and other ways he owes, he owes ME in that he perjured himself in MY court system in order to defame and rob people and organizations (the other groups he certainly owes).

Your response is so ignorant I have to assume you are not even paying attention.

Oddly, this is a rare case where is actually does owe something to everyone in the entire country.


That you would put blind faith in any athlete should be a warning to others.

The US Postal Service is an independent government agency. It does not receive direct taxpayer money. As such, you were not defrauded.

He may have perjured himself or obstructed justice. The DOJ will have to determine whether they want to pursue charges.

Lance Armstrong only owes those who he directly lied to, used the court system to bully and to his teammates. He owes me no apology. He came clean. He doesn't need to do any more. Anything else and it sounds personal. Get over it.
TouchedTheAxeIn82
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philly1121;842065220 said:

The US Postal Service is an independent government agency. It does not receive direct taxpayer money. As such, you were not defrauded.


Interesting, I had to look that up. I guess you're "mostly right," but they do receive some tax revenue:

about.com said:

According to the laws under which it now operates, the U.S. Postal Service is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral. That is, it is supposed to break even, not make a profit.

In 1982, U.S. postage stamps became "postal products," rather than a form of taxation. Since then, The bulk of the cost of operating the postal system has been paid for by customers through the sale of "postal products" and services rather than taxes.

<...>

The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the "Postal Service Fund." These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies.


Edit: Here's an official description from Federal Budget Treatment of the Postal Service (PDF):

uspsoig.gov said:

Annual Appropriations to the Postal Service

One reason that some stakeholders are confused about the “off-budget” status of the Postal Service is that the Postal Service does indeed receive a relatively small annual appropriation (generally around $100 million) from Congress that appears in the president’s budget every year. This is to compensate the Postal Service for providing free or subsidized mailing privileges to groups that Congress and the Administration agree deserve support from the taxpayers.

The subsidy is currently limited to free mail for the blind and for official mail to overseas voters. Although the amount is small as a proportion of the Postal Service budget, and even smaller as part of the president’s budget, the appropriation has nonetheless been manipulated to minimize its impact on the federal budget deficit in ways that disadvantage the Postal Service. Appendix B provides background information on the “revenue forgone” appropriation and describes how the president and Congress have succeeded in shifting the cost of preferred mailer subsidies from the president’s budget to the Postal Service.

An argument could be made that the revenue forgone appropriation is more of a bother than it is worth. It is routinely mischaracterized as a subsidy from the taxpayer to the Postal Service, even by OMB. Further, it allows Congress to annually re-impose restrictions on the Postal Service’s ability to close small post offices or cut back on delivery days, because these prohibitions are riders on the annual appropriations bill.
TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Geez I thought I had read all the stories, but I just found a story on another of Lance's victims, his former mechanic Mike Anderson:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130117/mike-anderson-lance-armstrong/

Man, how many victims are there out there?
Phantomfan
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What have I said in this thread, or ever on this site that would cause you to say I have blind faith in any athlete?

How silly.
philly1121;842065220 said:

That you would put blind faith in any athlete should be a warning to others.

The US Postal Service is an independent government agency. It does not receive direct taxpayer money. As such, you were not defrauded.

He may have perjured himself or obstructed justice. The DOJ will have to determine whether they want to pursue charges.

Lance Armstrong only owes those who he directly lied to, used the court system to bully and to his teammates. He owes me no apology. He came clean. He doesn't need to do any more. Anything else and it sounds personal. Get over it.
okaydo
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TouchedTheAxeIn82;842065392 said:

Geez I thought I had read all the stories, but I just found a story on another of Lance's victims, his former mechanic Mike Anderson:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130117/mike-anderson-lance-armstrong/

Man, how many victims are there out there?


Don't forget ....http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130118/lance-armstrong-admission-kathy-lemond-reaction/
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