beelzebear;842074500 said:

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BTW, who thinks Alex Smith would have won the game? Kap didn't break any runs.

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Only you and Mrs. Alex Smith. Not even Alex Smith thinks Alex Smith would have performed better.

sycasey;842074511 said:

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Alex Smith is even easier to scheme against.

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I'm not sure about that. While Smith doesn't have the cannon arm but he's better at game management, the hurry up offense (look how Kap handled the end of the game) and this year he was just as accurate and didn't throw picks.

In a game where the run is working, Kap is better and his short comings are easy to overlook. However the Ravens shut down the run game pretty well.

Kap is the future but Smith might have had a better chance to win it. Oh well, water under the bridge. Smith will be traded, Kap is the QB and Harbaugh would never make the change...too much risk and ego stomping.

sycasey;842074516 said:

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Also, what is your definition of "game changing?" He scored on a 15 yard run to give them a chance to tie with a two-pointer. I'd say that was pretty huge.

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Whatever...he didn't win it.

beelzebear;842074520 said:

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I'm not sure about that. While Smith doesn't have the cannon arm but he's better at game management, the hurry up offense (look how Kap handled the end of the game) and this year he was just as accurate and didn't throw picks.

In a game where the run is working, Kap is better and his short comings are easy to overlook. However the Ravens shut down the run game pretty well.

Kap is the future but Smith might have had a better chance to win it. Oh well, water under the bridge. Smith will be traded, Kap is the QB and Harbaugh would never make the change...too much risk and ego stomping.

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49ers gained 180 yards on the ground. That is not "shut down" (plus 300 yards passing).

I am admittedly not a 49er fan, but I found Kap to be the MVP of the game even though his team lost. He made mistakes, but he brought his team back within 6 or so minutes from a 22 point deficit, where there was plenty of time on the clock for either team to win. He is a very good FB player. Very good.

The no call on Crabtree was a 50/50...If you loved the Niners you are incensed. If you loved the Ravens you are relieved. If you just love the game, and another team is you favorite who is not there, then you probably think it was a good non call. I personally think Crabtree was held, was pushing off/back, and the ball was uncatchable(it hit chalk 2-3 yards OB). So a good non call in my book.

GB54;842074524 said:

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49ers gained 180 yards on the ground. That is not "shut down" (plus 300 yards passing).

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This guy's analysis just gets progressively more divorced from reality. Probably time to give up on this discussion. Any sane person who has been watching the Niners this year knows that it's Smith who needs a strong running game to succeed.

That was a good game. There was a lot I liked about it from just a game management aspect. Harbaugh calling for a fake FG was a bit much for 9 yards, and then the other Harbaugh daring to challenge the spot. I really liked the safety call too and it makes me smile knowing some degenerate gamblers made a ton of money on that prop. It sure looked like Baltimore was going to choke it away and really kick themselves for not being able to punch it in from the 2.

I really liked how they forced the issue at the end and how they played the mesh. Nothing frustrates me more than watching an unblocked defensive player look for the ball. Baltimore in the 2nd half just ran right at Kap, same way I wish Cal would play the mesh.

9ers keep living dangerously. They just ran out of comeback this time but it sure looks like they've got a Superbowl win in them soon.

I'm too heavily sedated to read everyone's comments about a possible Smith appearance. At 21-3, a guy near me called for Smith. I told him that if he wants to see a possible 42-3 final, that's the move to make.

Smith is a decent frontrunner, but coming from way behind in the Super Bowl? You cannot be serious. He's so much easier to defend.

To switch topics and also keep myself from searching, has anyone reminisced about the blackout in Eugene in the Cal-Oregon game? Was that 2003? I didn't trust that outage, nor do I trust the one tonight.

CalGaoTe;842074471 said:

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Not one of his important throws today was a touch pass. He days of soft tossing qbs is gone.

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Except for the potential game-winner which was perfect but for the holding.

BearyWhite;842074536 said:

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Except for the potential game-winner which was perfect but for the holding.

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There was defensive holding but that ball was uncatchable. Kaep was about to get nailed and he rushed the throw. It was hardly perfect.

Good non-call.

In any case, they had 3 chances to punch it in from the 5 and failed - no excuses - .

TheBears;842074533 said:

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has anyone reminisced about the blackout in Eugene in the Cal-Oregon game? Was that 2003? I didn't trust that outage, nor do I trust the one tonight.

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Totally, very similar momentum-breaking outages, but I'd blame tonight's breakdown on the Superdome/NO infrastructure.

BerlinerBaer;842074542 said:

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There was defensive holding but that ball was uncatchable. Kaep was about to get nailed and he rushed the throw. It was hardly perfect.

Good non-call.

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I have to agree. Crabtree was pushing; there was a hold but they were both going at it. The ref is not going to make that call at that point in the game.

One thing I haven't seen is the non-call out of bounds hit on Flacco. That would have extended the drive. It was a clear late hit but it wasn't called. It went both ways.

Was a very good game. I didn't like the play calling on the last 4 plays. It should have been put in Kaps hands - QB sneak, naked bootleg, run option. You go with what got you there. Fade into the end zone? It's 50/50 at best and a tough throw to make with such limited yardage.

TheBears;842074533 said:

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I'm too heavily sedated to read everyone's comments about a possible Smith appearance. At 21-3, a guy near me called for Smith. I told him that if he wants to see a possible 42-3 final, that's the move to make.

Smith is a decent frontrunner, but coming from way behind in the Super Bowl? You cannot be serious. He's so much easier to defend.

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Yup. When you are down by 3 scores you need big plays to score quickly and get back into it. A game manager, move-the-chains guy like Smith is not going to make those big plays happen. A guy with a big arm and foot speed like Kaepernick can.

TheBears;842074533 said:

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ITo switch topics and also keep myself from searching, has anyone reminisced about the blackout in Eugene in the Cal-Oregon game? Was that 2003? I didn't trust that outage, nor do I trust the one tonight.

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My theory was that it was Beyonce who wanted to be the last act of the night.

philly1121;842074550 said:

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I have to agree. Crabtree was pushing; there was a hold but they were both going at it. The ref is not going to make that call at that point in the game.

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Crabtree was pushing only because the DB wrapped both arms around him right as he was trying to make his break. That call is made most of the time if it's not a do-or-die 4th down play where the refs tend to swallow their whistles.

philly1121;842074550 said:

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One thing I haven't seen is the non-call out of bounds hit on Flacco. That would have extended the drive. It was a clear late hit but it wasn't called. It went both ways.

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Wasn't a clear late hit. When a QB is running to the sidelines and throws as he's falling out of bounds (as opposed to being in the pocket), the refs usually give more leeway on late hits (unless you're in the Pac 12, where it's a flag every time). That call is usually not made -- the QB is making himself a target by threatening to run.

philly1121;842074550 said:

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Was a very good game. I didn't like the play calling on the last 4 plays. It should have been put in Kaps hands - QB sneak, naked bootleg, run option. You go with what got you there. Fade into the end zone? It's 50/50 at best and a tough throw to make with such limited yardage.

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That I do agree with. Throwing it to Crabtree three times while in close was very questionable. You have to give Kap or Gore a chance to punch it in, and with two time outs left you have ample opportunity to do it.

I looked like they play they were GOING to run when the clock ran out and they had to burn a TO was indeed going to be a sweep-left for Kaepernick. And I think it would have scored. Missed opportunities, argh.

BerlinerBaer;842074542 said:

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There was defensive holding but that ball was uncatchable. Kaep was about to get nailed and he rushed the throw. It was hardly perfect.

Good non-call.

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"Uncatchable" only matters for pass interference. Defensive holding can be called any time.

sycasey;842074554 said:

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Crabtree was pushing only because the DB wrapped both arms around him right as he was trying to make his break. That call is made most of the time if it's not a do-or-die 4th down play where the refs tend to swallow their whistles.



Wasn't a clear late hit. When a QB is running to the sidelines and throws as he's falling out of bounds (as opposed to being in the pocket), the refs usually give more leeway on late hits (unless you're in the Pac 12, where it's a flag every time). That call is usually not made -- the QB is making himself a target by threatening to run.



That I do agree with. Throwing it to Crabtree three times while in close was very questionable. You have to give Kap or Gore a chance to punch it in, and with two time outs left you have ample opportunity to do it.

I looked like they play they were GOING to run when the clock ran out and they had to burn a TO was indeed going to be a sweep-left for Kaepernick. And I think it would have scored. Missed opportunities, argh.

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+1 . Describes my feelings right now. Niners got screwed but in the end, they still didnt capitalize on their opportunies in the end. I still think of Gore was given the ball, we couldve got in.

Crabtree initiated the contact.

beelzebear;842074522 said:

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Whatever...he didn't win it.

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My last comment to you in this thread . . . this is idiot analysis that assumes the QB has control over everything. Kaepernick is the reason the 49ers were even close to winning this game. The defense and special teams blew it by giving up so many TDs (especially those big plays right before and after halftime).

HaasBear04;842074559 said:

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Crabtree initiated the contact.

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Holding is holding. DB grabs a receiver and it's supposed to be called -- doesn't matter who initiated.

HaasBear04;842074559 said:

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Crabtree initiated the contact.

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sycasey;842074556 said:

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"Uncatchable" only matters for pass interference. Defensive holding can be called any time.

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All I'm saying is that if the ball were thrown better, the odds of the penalty being called would have increased. In any case, the refs won't want to make any calls unless it was an obvious foul.

The contact occurred right around the goal line within the 5 yards a defender is allowed to bump and run. Crabtree certainly looked like he was more than just bumped, but that's yet another reason why the call would have been questionable and therefore inappropriate for that situation.

BerlinerBaer;842074569 said:

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All I'm saying is that if the ball were thrown better, the odds of the penalty being called would have increased. In any case, the refs won't want to make any calls unless it was an obvious foul.

The contact occurred right around the goal line within the 5 yards a defender is allowed to bump and run. Crabtree certainly looked like he was more than just bumped, but that's yet another reason why the call would have been questionable and therefore inappropriate for that situation.

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Yes, this is the reason I said I'm not surprised it wasn't called, because of the situation and that the pass was floated possibly too high. But the replay just posted above makes it clear that . . . it was holding.

sycasey;842074573 said:

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Yes, this is the reason I said I'm not surprised it wasn't called, because of the situation and that the pass was floated possibly too high. But the replay just posted above makes it clear that . . . it was holding.

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It also makes it clear that Crabtree put his hand on the defender's head and pushed off. They don't call offsetting penalties in that situation, so I don't see how anything but a no-call was warranted.

HaasBear04;842074467 said:

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Great game. Dry your tears niner fans, your team is young, and for the most part under contract.

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Yeah but the 49ers will soon be in Santa Clara and the victory parade will NOT be on Market Street in SF.

BTW I got myself twisted in a pretzel second guessing the Raven's decision to kick the FG with 4+ minutes remaining.

I thought it was a really dumb decision to kick the FG on 4th and 2 and 4+ minutes on the clock. I know it gave the Raven's a 5 point cushion. But it reminded me of many discussions on this board about JT's decision against OSU.
And I also remembered the fact that the 49ers a few weeks ago made another playoff team pay for taking the FG instead of going for the TD.

I was positive that 4+ minutes was more than enough time forthe 49ers to score a TD; but there would not be enough time for the Ravens to get the ball back with enough time to score a FG.

I felt vindicated when the 49ers drove down field so quickly. I thought that the Ravens should just concede the 49ers a TD with 2+ minutes. That would given them a decent shot to get within FG range.

I was so positive that the Ravens could not stop Gore or Kapernick.:cry:

As the last seconds ticked off, i guess that without the FG, the 49ers would have been in a position to win with a FG. :cry:

So I wonder what the posters who argue for going for the first down on fourth and short have to say.

sycasey;842074554 said:

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Crabtree was pushing only because the DB wrapped both arms around him right as he was trying to make his break. That call is made most of the time if it's not a do-or-die 4th down play where the refs tend to swallow their whistles.



Wasn't a clear late hit. When a QB is running to the sidelines and throws as he's falling out of bounds (as opposed to being in the pocket), the refs usually give more leeway on late hits (unless you're in the Pac 12, where it's a flag every time). That call is usually not made -- the QB is making himself a target by threatening to run.



That I do agree with. Throwing it to Crabtree three times while in close was very questionable. You have to give Kap or Gore a chance to punch it in, and with two time outs left you have ample opportunity to do it.

I looked like they play they were GOING to run when the clock ran out and they had to burn a TO was indeed going to be a sweep-left for Kaepernick. And I think it would have scored. Missed opportunities, argh.

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I think what I'm saying is that, yes he held, but is an official going to make that call at this point in the game? So close to the line of scrimmage, both handling each other - probably not.

The hit on Flacco was a clear late hit. It seemed the refs were letting them play. So one non-call cancels out the other.

As far as play calling, I on second down, he was going to run. The fade was a terrible call. You risk exactly what happened. It's low percentage and takes all other players out of the play except for the receiver and QB. You had Gore. You had Kap. I hate when O coordinators get cute at the end and just ignore what got them there.

Good future for SF. Kaps the man. He'll only get better. Just didnt happen this year.

GivemTheAxe;842074575 said:

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Yeah but the 49ers will soon be in Santa Clara and the victory parade will NOT be on Market Street in SF.

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Actually I read somewhere that Ed led made a deal w Jed that the parade will always be in the city even after the move to Santa Clara

Go raiders!

HaasBear04;842074559 said:

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Crabtree initiated the contact.

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I may be wrong, but doesn't the 5-yard buffer apply to both the cornerback and the receiver? If that's the case, then it's pretty clear that Crabtree releases his contact before crossing the goal line while Smith maintains his.

Lol, don't you mean Panda Hat?

oursdor;842074567 said:

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He was HELD I tell you! Stop EVERYTHING! Bring the teams back, make them play again, we won!!!

sycasey;842074573 said:

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Yes, this is the reason I said I'm not surprised it wasn't called, because of the situation and that the pass was floated possibly too high. But the replay just posted above makes it clear that . . . it was holding.

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[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="2"]The pundits that are saying "the refs were right NOT to make that call at this critical juncture of the game" just don't know what they're talking about !! Perhaps they should have applied that same logic to the call against the Niners on Baltimore's last FG drive. Same infraction, same contact, kept their drive alive and allowed for the FG that forced the Niners into scoring a TD, rather than running the clock and the Ravens out of T.O.'s while taking the lead and likely winning the game on a FG of their own !!![/SIZE][/COLOR]

:rant

BerlinerBaer;842074542 said:

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There was defensive holding but that ball was uncatchable. Kaep was about to get nailed and he rushed the throw. It was hardly perfect.

Good non-call.

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[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="2"]That's BS !!! But for the holding, Crabtree makes it 2-3 more yards into the endzone. He his 6'3" and can jump like Boldin !! The ball only landed 2 yds out of bounds !! EVEN IF YOU DON'T GET THE P.I. CALL, IT WAS ILLEGAL CONTACT !! Should have been Niners' ball, 1st and goal at the ONE with 1:45 left !!! A similar contact occurred on Baltimore's last FG drive at the ~5 min mark, but I guess THAT ISN'T TOO LATE TO NOT MAKE THAT CALL?!?!? You admit there was holding ... 7 yds from the line of scrimmage ... that by definition is illegal contact ... there is NO [U]UNCATCHABLE[/U] EXCEPTION to that infraction ... I rest my case.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

oursdor;842074567 said:

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The Ravens were gifted a superbowl by the refs...

The two gifs above show exactly how far the refs were willing to go to not hurt the Ravens oppertunity.

Any one who says a WR "initiates contact" is lying to themselves or does not understand football. CLEARLY his route was impeded (penalty) and he was held (penalty), and he tried to break contact while being held (not a penalty).


Of course, there is also Williams who should have been ejected, and should now be fined and suspended, but he wont be.

do you have any GIFs showing the 34min power outage, without whch all of this would have been totally irrelevant in a blowout loss?