Deutsch;842074973 said:

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Uh, what myth? JM has a year of results on record. SD just got here. There is no comparison because there cannot be -- in any rational mind. The only myth here is that there is any legitimate controversy. There ain't. Good luck to both guys...

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If you make this post about four times more verbose and eliminate the good luck wish (at least to Mora), it's exactly what I would have posted. You guys are arguing with no meaningful data and presenting it like you are completely positive in your position.

Looperbear;842075450 said:

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How is this a myth? At this point in their respective careers, Mora had better credentials and had done a much better job in sensibly assembling a top notch staff and not only keeping top recruits but attracting additional ones. If Sonny turns out to be the equal of Mora and we're playing in the pac12 championship, I'll be thrilled but as of right now Mora>SD is no myth.

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And .... so what?
Really.

Cal has new coaches with a new system and a new season is coming.
We beat fucla again or we don't.
I'm looking forward to hearing about Cal's progress under a coach who has his act together and is doing well (in my opinion) and has yet to have his first practice with the team.
I'm sure you will find ample opportunities to cast doubt on anything, maybe everything, that Dykes does or doesn't do.
Skepticism and cynicism are cheap.

fucla will do whatever fucla does, and their last season included not only a loss to an under-performing Cal (which they "out-recruited") but also, more importantly to them, they got their butts thoroughly kicked twice in a row by the furdies.

RealDrew2;842074960 said:

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The fact that Dykes can't hold on to the recruits that chose Cal under Tedford, despite the bad season and negative chatter, is what is bothering me. Hopefully with a full recruiting cycle under his belt next year, we will back to good recruiting, but until then, he has a lot to prove.

Dykes and his staff are simply not recruiting the same level of athlete as our competitors.

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In fairness, Hunt is the only one we know was a loss in the eyes of the coaching staff. It's not like he lost Tedford's higher ranked recruits.

really speaks volumes that on the eve of National Signing Day that instead of discussing coveted recruits coming to Cal we're instead talking about ucla recruiting.

Way too premature to have this discussion IMO. We can start having this argument in a year or two.

SonOfCalVa;842075488 said:

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And .... so what?
Really.

Cal has new coaches with a new system and a new season is coming.
We beat fucla again or we don't.
I'm looking forward to hearing about Cal's progress under a coach who has his act together and is doing well (in my opinion) and has yet to have his first practice with the team.
I'm sure you will find ample opportunities to cast doubt on anything, maybe everything, that Dykes does or doesn't do.
Skepticism and cynicism are cheap.

fucla will do whatever fucla does, and their last season included not only a loss to an under-performing Cal (which they "out-recruited") but also, more importantly to them, they got their butts thoroughly kicked twice in a row by the furdies.

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Isn't this act getting a little old? Anytime someone posts something even remotely critical of Dykes--regardless of how nuanced and moderate the criticism is--you fire off the same reply.

Of course skepticism and cynicism are cheap. So is optimism. So is apathy. As far as fans go, the only thing that makes a difference is screaming loudly when the other team is on offense and donating money. Message boards don't provide the opportunity to do either of these things. But they do allow people to share their opinions and to discuss them in (ideally) an intelligent manner.

Looperbear offered a balanced and valid assessment. No need to jump on him with the same tired hit-job.

The Duke!;842075411 said:

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Mora and his staff are great recruiters. I agree with the UCLA beat writer on most of what he said, with the exception of the McCarthy comment, which simply isn't true. It is pretty hard to argue that he was "all UCLA" when he committed to Cal and then left immediately after Tosh bolted.

Dykes' staff is working very hard. But I don't believe Dykes ever had a reputation as a great recruiter at either Arizona, Texas Tech, or Louisiana Tech. I hope he develops that reputation here, but I have seen little to suggest that he is a recruiting dynamo so far.

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Moraga or anyone, didn't Dykes win a recruiting award while on staff at Arizona???? Was it a competing sight?

The Duke!;842075523 said:

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Looperbear offered a balanced and valid assessment. No need to jump on him with the same tired hit-job.

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You two should get a room :rollinglaugh:

Looperbear;842075450 said:

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had done a much better job in sensibly assembling a top notch staff

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While I agree with your overall assessment about their results at the particular point in their tenures AND my own preference for a FB coaching staff is much more like what Mora assembled, I think the evaluation of Dykes' staff will require us to allow him more time.

Dykes has articulated a philosphy that seems a little unusual around putting together a staff, but he appears to have executed in the philosophy. It does not put a premium on those things that many on this board have voiced our desire for - NFL experience, recruiting credentials of P12 caliber, etc. It puts a premium on the interpersonal cohesiveness of the staff itself and positive attitude. This is a formula that appears to be designed for a longer horizon of effectiveness than recruiting results in the first cycle.

We should have a good sense of how to evaluate Dykes staff by LOI day next year, if not the end of the season. With his approach, I would expect all of the staff to be retained, good recruiting results for next season and possibly some degree of success for the 2013 season (holding out hope for 6-6 regular season with clear improvement over the season). If those things come to pass, I think we can say that Dykes has done a good job building the staff the way he intended to and there is potential that this method is superior to Mora's

It's hard to understand why some don't understand the myth when I explained it pretty thuroughly in 2 typically long and verbose posts.

And, while the Stanford example isn't valid directly, it still doesn't change the fact that Dykes doesn't have a school nearby that normally gets a bunch of top recruits that instead are coming to Cal because said school has sanction imposed limits and other problems. Again, I'm not saying that Mora isn't making a very real difference, but part of the story has nothing to do with him.

The myth is that you can compare the limitations that Dykes inherited (academics) with the advantages Mora inherited (problems at $C that effect recruiting plus Cal's problems last year that helped Mora land Jordan Payton and Kenneth Walker) and then say that Mora is a better recruiter than Dykes.

It would be a lot more reasonable to say that UCLA is a better recruiter than Cal because of their circumstances and Dykes has not yet been able to change that even though he has superior facilities.

heartofthebear;842075869 said:

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It's hard to understand why some don't understand the myth when I explained it pretty thuroughly in 2 typically long and verbose posts.

And, while the Stanford example isn't valid directly, it still doesn't change the fact that Dykes doesn't have a school nearby that normally gets a bunch of top recruits that instead are coming to Cal because said school has sanction imposed limits and other problems. Again, I'm not saying that Mora isn't making a very real difference, but part of the story has nothing to do with him.

The myth is that you can compare the limitations that Dykes inherited (academics) with the advantages Mora inherited (problems at $C that effect recruiting plus Cal's problems last year that helped Mora land Jordan Payton and Kenneth Walker) and then say that Mora is a better recruiter than Dykes.

It would be a lot more reasonable to say that UCLA is a better recruiter than Cal because of their circumstances and Dykes has not yet been able to change that even though he has superior facilities.

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I think part of the problem is that you make it sound as if Dykes has nothing but limitations, whereas Mora has nothing but advantages. This isn't true.

Dykes has the best facilities in the Pac-12 to sell to recruits. Mora doesn't even have a stadium on his campus. This is a huge advantage for Dykes. When a recruit comes to visit, Dykes gets to show them the SAHPC, with its wealth of athletic and academic resources. Then he gets to walk them around the oldest and most beautiful campus in California before taking them to the press box of the newly renovated Memorial Stadium to catch the view of the Bay at sunset. In contrast, Mora has to shuttle his recruit to Pasadena. Dykes is also able to offer more chances for early playing time.

Both schools have rigorous and highly respected academics. And both offer a quality degree, which can be perceived by some (i.e. Dykes) as a huge plus, and by others (i.e. recruits who don't want to study hard) as a minus. But Dykes works for the state's flagship school, which offers the opportunity to earn a more prestigious degree.

USC sanctions help Cal too. Vanderdoes is a local guy. But he is now he is considering leaving USC for UCLA, not Cal. There is no way to explain things like this except that Mora and his staff are really good recruiters.

I don't quite understand why you don't get that Dykes is essentially ceding the talent to Mora over the short run.

He loses this head-to-head match-up because he isn't playing the same game.

He says as much when he talks about how he put together his staff. He says essentially that he is not looking to maximize talent. Maximizing talent is more along the lines of what Mora did. Its what most coaches do. They look to get the best guys they can on their staff and in turn get the best guys on their team.

Dykes is making the bet that he will get lesser guys on his staff and on his team as a consequence, but that they will all be on the same page and harmonious and as a consequence work better together outperforming their more talented opponents.

Mora is making the bet that he can get the most talented guys and mold them into a team that works well enough together to highlight their individual talents and beat the competition.

Mora is getting better talent because that is what he is explicitly trying to do. He wins this competition going away whether you think that he had insurmountable advantages to Dykes or not.

Dykes wants 4 star guys. That's why he is recruiting them. His motto is "win everywhere," not "win everywhere except when it comes to recruiting elite talent."

It is one thing to say that we need to give Dykes more time to see how he does next year. I support that position.

But it is another thing to say he doesn't want to land big time recruits or that Cal isn't the type of school or situation where fans should expect elite recruits. People who make those arguments are not supporters of Dykes, as he has worked hard to recruit elite talent. And such people aren't real Cal fans either, as Cal fans recognize that Cal is a great place to go to school.

calbearo;842075897 said:

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I don't quite understand why you don't get that Dykes is essentially ceding the talent to Mora over the short run.

He loses this head-to-head match-up because he isn't playing the same game.

He says as much when he talks about how he put together his staff. He says essentially that he is not looking to maximize talent. Maximizing talent is more along the lines of what Mora did. Its what most coaches do. They look to get the best guys they can on their staff and in turn get the best guys on their team.

Dykes is making the bet that he will get lesser guys on his staff and on his team as a consequence, but that they will all be on the same page and harmonious and as a consequence work better together outperforming their more talented opponents.

Mora is making the bet that he can get the most talented guys and mold them into a team that works well enough together to highlight their individual talents and beat the competition.

Mora is getting better talent because that is what he is explicitly trying to do. He wins this competition going away whether you think that he had insurmountable advantages to Dykes or not.

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The Duke!;842075892 said:

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Vanderdoes is a local guy. But he is now he is considering leaving USC for UCLA, not Cal. There is no way to explain things like this except that Mora and his staff are really good recruiters.

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Lost a couple of highly rated guys from Sacto [U]LAST YEAR[/U], both 5*
Decommits headed north, not south.
There may be no way for YOU to explain things.

The Duke!;842075901 said:

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... People who make those arguments are [SIZE="3"]not supporters of Dykes[/SIZE], as he has worked hard to recruit elite talent. And [SIZE="3"]such people aren't real Cal fans[/SIZE] either, as Cal fans recognize that Cal is a great place to go to school.

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"not supporters of Dykes" ... "aren't real Cal fans" ... wow :p

in your [U]HUMBLE [/U]opinion, of course.
You're a hoot ... :rollinglaugh:

SonOfCalVa;842075918 said:

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"not supporters of Dykes" ... "aren't real Cal fans" ... wow :p

in your [U]HUMBLE [/U]opinion, of course.
You're a hoot ... :rollinglaugh:

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That's just reality.

Dykes has gone after 4 star players. But some claim that he doesn't want them. This is a contradiction. If you support Dykes, you will recognize his efforts to get elite talent to come to Cal, and wish him the best next year in making this happen. 1+1=2, not 3.

Cal fans recognize that Cal is an amazing place. You can't claim to love Cal but argue it isn't a better place for an 18 year old to spend 4-5 years of his life than UW or UCLA. Cal alumni think that Cal is a better place to receive an education than UCLA. UCLA alumni think UCLA is better than Cal. This isn't rocket science. You can't say UCLA is a better place and be a serious Cal supporter. Again, 1+1=2, not 3.

The Duke!;842075921 said:

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.... You can't say UCLA is a better place and be a serious Cal supporter. Again, 1+1=2, not 3.

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uh, who is it that you imagine is saying fucla is a better place?
the f in fucla is well-deserved ... who gives a "fk" about fucla?
ha ... in the 3-9 season, fucla was 1 of the 3 ...

posting that equation ... exhibiting your grasp of arithmetic? :p

There have been many posts claiming that UCLA has many structural advantages over Cal (Campus, weather, supposedly easier academics, allegedly better looking women, etc.). Look them up.

I will not respond to any more of your posts.

The Duke!;842075944 said:

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I will not respond to any more of your posts.

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:cheer ... take your hubris pills ... :rollinglaugh:

I'm not saying that Dykes doesn't want 4 star guys. He does and he went after some.

The difference is that Mora or a coach like him, hires a couple of hotshot recruiters to his staff and then he goes out to the top 4 and 5 star guys in his area and he makes a big push to flip one of them or land one of them. Part of that may be to creat a buzz or change perceptions about the new approach.

I'm not reading the insider stuff, but I didn't see anything in the local media to suggest that Dykes was making a big push for a bunch of those guys. My impression is more that he came in and decided to look for his own type of guys. Some of those guys were 4 star guys. Perhaps he made a couple of calls on Eddie Vanderdoes, but Mora or a coach like him would have been looking to flip those guys up to this morning. I never saw the story about Coach Dykes in the living room of Vanderdoes. Even if he doesn't land the recruit, the new coach can often times at least get the face time if for no better reason than he can offer a lot of early PT.

This is just a different approach to recruiting that a guy like Mora took, who was very aggressive in going after committed players and the top guys in his area whether they had had a lot of interest in UCLA before or not.

I am not judging this as the wrong approach. It is not what I expected we would get when we replaced Tedford. Dykes obviously has some track record to support his hiring. I'm not sure how closely he hewed to this approach at LaTech and whether it will ultimately be successful when translated to Cal. I sure hope it is and I am going to be cheering him on.

This is, however, IMO a battle that Mora wins because it is one that Dykes has decided not to fight apparently on the premise that he will win other more important battles in a different way.

calbearo;842075955 said:

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I'm not saying that Dykes doesn't want 4 star guys. He does and he went after some.

The difference is that Mora or a coach like him, hires a couple of hotshot recruiters to his staff and then he goes out to the top 4 and 5 star guys in his area and he makes a big push to flip one of them or land one of them. Part of that may be to creat a buzz or change perceptions about the new approach.

I'm not reading the insider stuff, but I didn't see anything in the local media to suggest that Dykes was making a big push for a bunch of those guys. My impression is more that he came in and decided to look for his own type of guys. Some of those guys were 4 star guys. Perhaps he made a couple of calls on Eddie Vanderdoes, but Mora or a coach like him would have been looking to flip those guys up to this morning. I never saw the story about Coach Dykes in the living room of Vanderdoes. Even if he doesn't land the recruit, the new coach can often times at least get the face time if for no better reason than he can offer a lot of early PT.

This is just a different approach to recruiting that a guy like Mora took, who was very aggressive in going after committed players and the top guys in his area whether they had had a lot of interest in UCLA before or not.

I am not judging this as the wrong approach. It is not what I expected we would get when we replaced Tedford. Dykes obviously has some track record to support his hiring. I'm not sure how closely he hewed to this approach at LaTech and whether it will ultimately be successful when translated to Cal. I sure hope it is and I am going to be cheering him on.

This is, however, IMO a battle that Mora wins because it is one that Dykes has decided not to fight apparently on the premise that he will win other more important battles in a different way.

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I believe some of this. I'm not worried much about star power on offense because Dykes has a great track record on offense and I'm confident he knows exactly what is needed to be successful on that side of the ball.

I am concerned about star power on defense. I'm not as confident in Buh's track record on defense and one way to cover for that is pure talent. In future classes, I'd be happy to have most of our star power on defense while Dykes develops system players on offense.

calbearo;842075955 said:

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I'm not saying that Dykes doesn't want 4 star guys. He does and he went after some.

The difference is that Mora or a coach like him, hires a couple of hotshot recruiters to his staff and then he goes out to the top 4 and 5 star guys in his area and he makes a big push to flip one of them or land one of them. Part of that may be to creat a buzz or change perceptions about the new approach.

I'm not reading the insider stuff, but I didn't see anything in the local media to suggest that Dykes was making a big push for a bunch of those guys. My impression is more that he came in and decided to look for his own type of guys. Some of those guys were 4 star guys. Perhaps he made a couple of calls on Eddie Vanderdoes, but Mora or a coach like him would have been looking to flip those guys up to this morning. I never saw the story about Coach Dykes in the living room of Vanderdoes. Even if he doesn't land the recruit, the new coach can often times at least get the face time if for no better reason than he can offer a lot of early PT.

This is just a different approach to recruiting that a guy like Mora took, who was very aggressive in going after committed players and the top guys in his area whether they had had a lot of interest in UCLA before or not.

I am not judging this as the wrong approach. It is not what I expected we would get when we replaced Tedford. Dykes obviously has some track record to support his hiring. I'm not sure how closely he hewed to this approach at LaTech and whether it will ultimately be successful when translated to Cal. I sure hope it is and I am going to be cheering him on.

This is, however, IMO a battle that Mora wins because it is one that Dykes has decided not to fight apparently on the premise that he will win other more important battles in a different way.

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Thank you, for keeping the discussion informative and not personal.

It is interesting that many, including the Duke!, have accused Dykes of not going after the 4 and 5 star guys, claiming that "we aren't even in it" for them. And then turn around and say that Dykes did value them because it makes their arguement fit. You can't have it both ways. In any case, thank you for helping me articulate my point.

The more I hear Dykes speak, the more it is clear that he is trying to build an environment at Cal for the long term. He is a relationship builder. Here are some of the things that I believe Dykes is doing to develope long term success at Cal at all levels (recruiting, academics and football performance):

• Developing relationships with coaches from area high schools and JCs
  
• hiring staff that are committed to Cal long term
  
• promoting a culture of excellence at all levels
  
• creating a team concept by intentionally selecting individuals that value team building
  
• getting players to be accountable to each other
  
• making football fun for players and fans
  
• opening practices
  
• simplifying schemes so that the best players can get on the field
  
• thinking outside the box by using innovative schemes on special teams
  

The culture at Cal under JT was all about the next level-the NFL. The coaches, the schemes and the recruiting was focused on that. And that would have been great had the NFL been paying Cal to be a farm system for them. The result was instability-coaches leaving, inconsistent performance from players,
unstable relationships with local JCs and HSs, and spotty academics.

Under Dykes the culture is committed to this level. This means that there is committment to Cal as an endpoint, not a passing through point. Because of that, he is more committed to people. He is trying to find people that like people and want to be together as people at Cal for the long term. That goes for staff, for current players, for current recruits, for prep schools in the area and for the larger Cal community and cal fanbase. He is looking for longterm stability.

JT was trying to be a father figure and a teacher. Dykes is trying to be a friend and a communicator. The difference, while nuanced, is vast. With JT, things were top down with him in control. JT said himself that he did not like to be told what to do. With Dykes things are more collaberative and inclusive.

This means that Dykes' recruiting style is about a process not an end. Please trust the process until there is good reason not to.

To Duke! I agree with your points but you lose me when you start making accusations. Please feel free to use the backspace key and back over your words when you feel this way. It doesn't help your cause. This is something I have learned to do and it has helped me tremendously.

heartofthebear;842076181 said:

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It is interesting that many, including the Duke!, have accused Dykes of not going after the 4 and 5 star guys, claiming that "we aren't even in it" for them

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This isn't true. I don't understand where all this is coming from.

heartofthebear;842076181 said:

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The more I hear Dykes speak, the more it is clear that he is trying to build an environment at Cal for the long term. He is a relationship builder. Here are some of the things that I believe Dykes is doing to develope long term success at Cal at all levels (recruiting, academics and football performance):

• Developing relationships with coaches from area high schools and JCs
  
• hiring staff that are committed to Cal long term
  
• promoting a culture of excellence at all levels
  
• creating a team concept by intentionally selecting individuals that value team building
  
• getting players to be accountable to each other
  
• making football fun for players and fans
  
• opening practices
  
• simplifying schemes so that the best players can get on the field
  
• thinking outside the box by using innovative schemes on special teams
  

The culture at Cal under JT was all about the next level-the NFL. The coaches, the schemes and the recruiting was focused on that. And that would have been great had the NFL been paying Cal to be a farm system for them. The result was instability-coaches leaving, inconsistent performance from players,
unstable relationships with local JCs and HSs, and spotty academics.

Under Dykes the culture is committed to this level. This means that there is committment to Cal as an endpoint, not a passing through point. Because of that, he is more committed to people. He is trying to find people that like people and want to be together as people at Cal for the long term. That goes for staff, for current players, for current recruits, for prep schools in the area and for the larger Cal community and cal fanbase. He is looking for longterm stability.

JT was trying to be a father figure and a teacher. Dykes is trying to be a friend and a communicator. The difference, while nuanced, is vast. With JT, things were top down with him in control. JT said himself that he did not like to be told what to do. With Dykes things are more collaberative and inclusive.

This means that Dykes' recruiting style is about a process not an end. Please trust the process until there is good reason not to.

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+1 ... well said .. :acclaim:

The Duke!;842076206 said:

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This isn't true. I don't understand where all this is coming from.

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Sorry if I misquoted you. So is your position that Dykes was going after the high ranking guys and failed or that he didn't care about the big fish so much?
Clarify for me because I am confused.

heartofthebear;842076305 said:

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Sorry if I misquoted you. So is your position that Dykes was going after the high ranking guys and failed or that he didn't care about the big fish so much?
Clarify for me because I am confused.

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I've never said that Dykes didn't want big time recruits. Just the opposite. He wants big time recruits. He wasn't incredibly successful this year at landing them, but he got in late on the action.

I am hoping that he is more successful next year. Still he did a pretty decent job this year. But he and his staff need to improve on the upper end.

The Duke!;842076318 said:

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I've never said that Dykes didn't want big time recruits. Just the opposite. He wants big time recruits. He wasn't incredibly successful this year at landing them, but he got in late on the action.

I am hoping that he is more successful next year. Still he did a pretty decent job this year. But he and his staff need to improve on the upper end.

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Agreed.
The only position that concerns me right now is safety.
With Demaraiy Drew a very talented under the radare redshirt and a very athelic former QB in Jordan Morgan, we do have some depth currently. But Avery Sebastian is going to have to stay healthy all year. Nobody is going to carry that unit if he is out. I have posted a new thread suggesting we move at least 1 of our current talents at LB to safety. Fortunately we are deep enough at LB to do this.

I wouldn't say he didn't want them either. To further emphasize my point above though, I didn't see any evidence of him making a huge push for a lot of guys. For some other coaches, they would have made a big show of pushing hard for the big recruits. It is a status/feather in their cap as well. Dykes hasn't seemed to be as interested in that aspect of recruiting.

calbearo;842076419 said:

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I wouldn't say he didn't want them either. To further emphasize my point above though, I didn't see any evidence of him making a huge push for a lot of guys. For some other coaches, they would have made a big show of pushing hard for the big recruits. It is a status/feather in their cap as well. Dykes hasn't seemed to be as interested in that aspect of recruiting.

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Read some stuff today on Mora-Quessenberry quoting that Mora is intense about this stuff.

I hope Cal finds unique ways to get an advantage on the field, ways that can't be raided by other teams like Washington. Recruiting is a cut throat business. Maybe Dykes has a more stealthy strategy that doesn't draw so much attention. Pure speculation to be sure. But that is what I sense is happening with Cal right now. And I like it. It is so hard to get an advantage using the same tactics that others use. When you are an underdog, you have to be more imaginative than that. I feel Dykes has that kind of imagination. They definitely have a vision for Cal as something more than a breeding ground for the NFL.

Looking at ucla's class, we can only hope that Coach Dykes is having that kind of recruiting impact in his second year as well.

In my opinion this talk about hiring coaches that are "committed" to Cal instead of ace recruiters like Mora did is hogwash.

These coaches on Dykes staff are just as committed as any other assistant coaches out there. IE. They are here until another school offers them a promotion or a raise(if they are good enough). Dykes hired his guys but they are not any different than any other coaches or humans out there. They will leave once/if we start to have success and they get more coveted.

Nobody on this staff is going to put Cal above themselves, and nobody should expect them too.

Tedford, I thought you got paid $5.5M to leave....(maybe a new handle is in order?)

Tedford;842076533 said:

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In my opinion this talk about hiring coaches that are "committed" to Cal instead of ace recruiters like Mora did is hogwash.

These coaches on Dykes staff are just as committed as any other assistant coaches out there. IE. They are here until another school offers them a promotion or a raise(if they are good enough). Dykes hired his guys but they are not any different than any other coaches or humans out there. They will leave once/if we start to have success and they get more coveted.

Nobody on this staff is going to put Cal above themselves, and nobody should expect them too.

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As long as you nitpick on my choice of words, you'll miss my point.
So now your word is committment.
My point was is that Dykes is engaged in a process that is about building relationships for the long term. Why not let the process unfold first before placing judgement on our coach.

Let me guess, next you're going to attack the word process

Tedford;842076533 said:

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In my opinion this talk about hiring coaches that are "committed" to Cal instead of ace recruiters like Mora did is hogwash.

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The two are not mutually exclusive.

heartofthebear;842076550 said:

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As long as you nitpick on my choice of words, you'll miss my point.
So now your word is committment.
My point was is that Dykes is engaged in a process that is about building relationships for the long term. Why not let the process unfold first before placing judgement on our coach.

Let me guess, next you're going to attack the word process

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You stated:

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hiring staff that are committed to Cal long term

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I didn't nitpick anything, those were your exact words which is what my response was too.

These guys can't be realistically expected to be any more committed to the school than say Mora's assistants.

The goal should be not to find the most committed coaches, but the best.

I don't have an issue with your overall point, but that particular line.