Cal Panda Bear;842097764 said:
Might be coming to an end.
Nnamdi and Niners share interest
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/asomugha-49ers-interested-each-other
Quote:
With a charter, name and logo, the group recruited Lawrence “Buck” Shaw, Santa Clara’s famous “Silver Fox,” as the 49ers first head coach. The organization spent $250,000 to get structured before the team even took their first snap. Morabito’s approach was considered “first class,” by most, and a financial risk by many.
But Morabito charged on, hand-picking an inaugural roster comprised of 32 players including Frankie Albert, Norm Standlee and Bruno Banducci, all from Stanford, and stars from Santa Clara, including Alyn Beals, an end who scored 46 pro touchdowns in four years. Other known players on the roster were Len Eshmont, Johnny “Johnny Strike” Strzykalski and Joe “The Toe” Ventrano.
calumnus;842097813 said:
Yes, it would be great to have a Cal player on the Niners.
The point about the Niners is that, like many NFL franchises, they had local ties, but they traditionally had ties to Stanford. Their first QB was Stanford QB Frankie Albert. When he retired they went with his back-up Y.A. Tittle, then drafted Stanford QB John Brodie to replace Tittle. When Brodie retired they tried a number of different QBs before bringing in former Stanford QB Jim Plunkett.
That means from 1946 to 1977 they had a Stanford QB on their roster, mostly as the starter 26 out of 32 years.
This strong Stanford connection with the Niners is a point of pride for most older Bay Area Stanford alums. I certainly grew up hearing about it from my dad. He loved the John Brodie to Gene Washington (both Stanford alums) combo.
This is from an article on Tony Morabito (a Santa Clara grad) and founder of the Forty Niners:
Moribito and his wife and kids, who controlled the team after his death until they sold the team to DeBartolo in 1977, lived in Cupertino.
Also, apparently the start-up professional Niners playing in Kezar, saw the dominant Cal teams of the 40s and 50s as their major competition for the North Bay football dollar.
So despite their having the SF name and having played their games in SF (not sure Candlestick quite makes it) they have always had strong ties to the South Bay, including their headquarters and practice facilities and now will even have their stadium there.
Obviously the Stanford ties and any animosity toward Cal have lessened over the years. Debartolo who took over the team in 1977 just wanted to win. I am not in disagreement with anyone who says that at this point, the pro-Stanford/anti-Cal bias of the Niners is ancient history and that incidents like the Ron Rivera and Aaron Rodgers snubs were circumstantial and while certainly not reflecting any bias toward Cal and its fanbase, probably does not reflect a bias against us either.
With Kaepernick at QB, I am now once again a 49er fan (as I was with Montana at QB) and I do hope they get some Cal players on their roster. Nnamdi and Keenan would be a great start.
calumnus;842097813 said:
Yes, it would be great to have a Cal player on the Niners.
The point about the Niners is that, like many NFL franchises, they had local ties, but they traditionally had ties to Stanford. Their first QB was Stanford QB Frankie Albert. When he retired they went with his back-up Y.A. Tittle, then drafted Stanford QB John Brodie to replace Tittle. When Brodie retired they tried a number of different QBs before bringing in former Stanford QB Jim Plunkett.
That means from 1946 to 1977 they had a Stanford QB on their roster, mostly as the starter 26 out of 32 years.
This strong Stanford connection with the Niners is a point of pride for most older Bay Area Stanford alums. I certainly grew up hearing about it from my dad. He loved the John Brodie to Gene Washington (both Stanford alums) combo.
This is from an article on Tony Morabito (a Santa Clara grad) and founder of the Forty Niners:
Moribito and his wife and kids, who controlled the team after his death until they sold the team to DeBartolo in 1977, lived in Cupertino.
Also, apparently the start-up professional Niners playing in Kezar, saw the dominant Cal teams of the 40s and 50s as their major competition for the North Bay football dollar.
So despite their having the SF name and having played their games in SF (not sure Candlestick quite makes it) they have always had strong ties to the South Bay, including their headquarters and practice facilities and now will even have their stadium there.
Obviously the Stanford ties and any animosity toward Cal have lessened over the years. Debartolo who took over the team in 1977 just wanted to win. I am not in disagreement with anyone who says that at this point, the pro-Stanford/anti-Cal bias of the Niners is ancient history and that incidents like the Ron Rivera and Aaron Rodgers snubs were circumstantial and while certainly not reflecting any bias toward Cal and its fanbase, probably does not reflect a bias against us either.
With Kaepernick at QB, I am now once again a 49er fan (as I was with Montana at QB) and I do hope they get some Cal players on their roster. Nnamdi and Keenan would be a great start.
Cal88;842097896 said:
The 9ers have long undervalued Cal talent. Them taking Nanmdi is hardly an indication of that changing, because Nnamdi is no longer primarily identified as a Cal standout, as he has been an established player in the NFL for years, with a long career as an all-pro. It`s not like they`ve drafted him out of Cal...
Incidently, the 9ers passed on Nnamdi in 2003 and in the 26th pick of the first round drafted OT Kwame Harris from...Stanford.
He was a bust.
heartofthebear;842097892 said:
It seems like they might sign as many as 2 DBs (at least 1 at S). And maybe they have enough money to sign another DL but I'm not sure about that. They also need to sign a kicker, but UCLA grad Jeff Locke would be available in the draft. And do they resign Ted Ginn Jr. or is he not fast enough to replace Moss as a guy who stretches the field?
By the way: It seems that Tony Gonzalez is coming back to the Falcons for another year.
mbBear;842097951 said:
Nnamdi was a great Cal Bear, and a tremendous player in the NFL for several years. Having watched Namdi the last couple of years in Philly, there are plenty of reasons for an NFL team not to like him, least of all where he went to college.
Cal88;842097896 said:
The 9ers have long undervalued Cal talent. Them taking Nanmdi is hardly an indication of that changing, because Nnamdi is no longer primarily identified as a Cal standout, as he has been an established player in the NFL for years, with a long career as an all-pro. It`s not like they`ve drafted him out of Cal...
Incidently, the 9ers passed on Nnamdi in 2003 and in the 26th pick of the first round drafted OT Kwame Harris from...Stanford.
He was a bust.
Cal Panda Bear;842098366 said:
1) It is easy to say Nnamdi was better than Harris now, but not so much back then.
2) OT was a definite need back then for the Niners.
StillNoStanfurdium;842097904 said:
If that name Kwame Harris rings a bell for some for something than football it would be this recent news story: http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county-times/ci_22466895/ex-49er-raider-kwame-harris-charged-beating-ex
CalBearRJ;842098443 said:
And as for their recent history:
Instead of Lynch, the Niners took Willis, and they already had Gore.
Instead of reaching quite a bit for Mack, they took Crabtree who is developing into a pretty good WR. Time will tell, but I'm betting we eventually call this close enough to a wash.
I'll ignore that Mebane is a 4-3 tackle, a bad fit, and that Aubrayo Franklin was pretty solid in the middle, and just point out that instead of Mebane, the Niners ended up with Willis, Staley and Ray MacDonald in the first three rounds with a miss on Jason Hill.
I too wish they had taken Marvin Jones, but let's cool it on a guy who had 18 receptions last year.
Seeing as it took 3 years and a timely injury for Bishop to earn a starting job, I'm not sure that anyone saw that coming. Furthermore, if Bishop were on the Niners, he'd be their third MLB anyway.
I won't defend taking Balmer or Chilo over Jackson (or really anything the Niners did in 2008) but DeSean is and was a bad fit for the Niners and has had success due to the offensive scheme of the Eagles. Imagine DeSean trying to block on a Kaepernick run...it's not happening.
Smith over Rodgers is indefensible.
So we have one clear mistake, one breakout player that would currently be a back up, and a number of guys that don't fit the system, or were passed on for equal or superior players. I'm sure the Niners regularly pass on good players because they hate Cal and willfully handicap themselves, but it sure seems to me that they are making good decisions based on the players available and existing team needs.
For the record, there are several other schools that the 49ers hate. Please go inform the message boards for those programs so that they can do some insane complaining.
The Niners have zero players from:
Alabama
Florida St.
UCLA
Oklahoma
Clemson
Nebraska
And no active member of the team or recent draft pick has come from a school that Jim Harbaugh and Co clearly dislikes:
Stanford
(Worst line of reasoning ever)
Cal88;842097896 said:
The 9ers have long undervalued Cal talent. Them taking Nanmdi is hardly an indication of that changing, because Nnamdi is no longer primarily identified as a Cal standout, as he has been an established player in the NFL for years, with a long career as an all-pro. It`s not like they`ve drafted him out of Cal...
Incidently, the 9ers passed on Nnamdi in 2003 and in the 26th pick of the first round drafted OT Kwame Harris from...Stanford.
He was a bust.
CalBearRJ;842098440 said:
I'm just going to repost this from the last time this idiotic line of reasoning was brought up:
Since 1967, here are the teams who have drafted the most Cal players:
Chicago - 8
Oakland - 7
Philly - 7
SAN FRANCISCO - 6
You can be upset that the Niners haven't been fortunate enough to draft studly Cal players, but blaming the Niners is silly. Saying they actively avoid Cal players is ludicrous.
Cal88;842097896 said:
The 9ers have long undervalued Cal talent. Them taking Nanmdi is hardly an indication of that changing, because Nnamdi is no longer primarily identified as a Cal standout, as he has been an established player in the NFL for years, with a long career as an all-pro. It`s not like they`ve drafted him out of Cal...
Incidently, the 9ers passed on Nnamdi in 2003 and in the 26th pick of the first round drafted OT Kwame Harris from...Stanford.
He was a bust.
CalBearRJ;842098440 said:
I'm just going to repost this from the last time this idiotic line of reasoning was brought up:
Since 1967, here are the teams who have drafted the most Cal players:
Chicago - 8
Oakland - 7
Philly - 7
SAN FRANCISCO - 6
You can be upset that the Niners haven't been fortunate enough to draft studly Cal players, but blaming the Niners is silly. Saying they actively avoid Cal players is ludicrous.
calumnus;842098561 said:
4 of those 6 were drafted in the 90s. Hmmm. Mooch and Holmoe connections maybe? (which would include a 5th player, the last Cal player ever taken by the Niners, Andre Carter in 2001).
Cal has had 42 players drafted since 2002. ZERO by the Niners. No Cal player under Tedford (or none of the 42 since Holmoe was fired?) was ever drafted by the Niners in any round.
Since 1967 The Niners have drafted:
USC 14
Notre Dame 14
Florida 13
Pitt 11
Michigan 11
BYU 11
Alabama 11
Penn State 10
Oregon 9
Stanford 8
Washington 8
Tennessee 8
North Carolina 7
Nebraska 7
Mississippi 7
Miami 7
Florida State 7
Clemson 7
Auburn 7
Arizona State 7
Tennessee State 7
UCLA 7
Mississippi State 6
Michigan State 6
Viginia Tech 6
Cal 6
calumnus;842098561 said:
4 of those 6 were drafted in the 90s. Hmmm. Mooch and Holmoe connections maybe? (which would include a 5th player, the last Cal player ever taken by the Niners, Andre Carter in 2001).
Cal has had 42 players drafted since 2002. ZERO by the Niners. No Cal player under Tedford (or none of the 42 since Holmoe was fired?) was ever drafted by the Niners in any round.
Since 1967 The Niners have drafted:
USC 14
Notre Dame 14
Florida 13
Pitt 11
Michigan 11
BYU 11
Alabama 11
Penn State 10
Oregon 9
Stanford 8
Washington 8
Tennessee 8
North Carolina 7
Nebraska 7
Mississippi 7
Miami 7
Florida State 7
Clemson 7
Auburn 7
Arizona State 7
Tennessee State 7
UCLA 7
Mississippi State 6
Michigan State 6
Viginia Tech 6
Cal 6
Holmoephobic;842098567 said:
So what you're really trying to say is that the 49er's are biased against the Georgia Bulldogs, The Iowa Hawkeyes, The LSU Tigers, The Ohio State Buckeyes, and any team playing in the state of Kentucky. I read you loud and clear!
And the fact that they've only drafted one more player from Miami -- despite far more talent emerging from that school in the allotted time period -- means that the 49er's are biased against the Miami Hurricanes too! No wonder they don't want Ed Reed!
calumnus;842098619 said:
Yeah, most of the SEC and Texas Longhorns and Oklahoma too. Franchises have historically had their favorite schools, almost always the local schools.
They REALLY like USC, Notre Dame, Pitt, BYU and Stanford but have also given a lot of love to the Huskies and Ducks too, even ASU. Cal and UCLA, not so much.
As I said, 4 of the 6 players the Niners drafted from Cal in the 50 years since 1962 were drafted in a 7 year period from 1994 to to 2001. Only 2 players from Cal were drafted by the Niners from 1962 to 1994 (a 32 year period) and zero since 2001 (11 years).
I am not necessarily trying to argue a bias against, but it does appe there was a bias for some other schools and can we all agree that other than a "golden age" from 1994 to 2001, there has not been a lot of love shown to (bias for) Cal players by the local franchise?
calumnus;842098619 said:
Yeah, most of the SEC and Texas Longhorns and Oklahoma too. Franchises have historically had their favorite schools, almost always the local schools.
They REALLY like USC, Notre Dame, Pitt, BYU and Stanford but have also given a lot of love to the Huskies and Ducks too, even ASU. Cal and UCLA, not so much.
As I said, 4 of the 6 players the Niners drafted from Cal in the 50 years since 1962 were drafted in a 7 year period from 1994 to to 2001. Only 2 players from Cal were drafted by the Niners from 1962 to 1994 (a 32 year period) and zero since 2001 (11 years).
I am not necessarily trying to argue a bias against, but it does appear there was a bias for some other schools and can we all agree that other than a "golden age" from 1994 to 2001, there has not been a lot of love shown to (bias for) Cal players by the local franchise?
Holmoephobic;842099294 said:
No, there is insufficient evidence to suggest a bias of any kind. There is also no credible motive for such a bias to exist. In order for your theory to obtain any merit, one would have to study the other NFL teams and find a correlation between the number of local colleges who have been drafted by them and compare that with how the 49er's have drafted Cal players.
The fact that the 49er's only drafted 7 Miami Hurricanes in 50+ years should suggest that the 49er's have a bias against Miami Hurricanes according to your theory. The other examples I provided earlier also debunk your theory.
In summary, there is no motive, reasonable explanation, or logical conclusion that suggests the 49er's have, or would have, a bias of any kind against Cal players.
Holmoephobic;842099294 said:
No, there is insufficient evidence to suggest a bias of any kind. There is also no credible motive for such a bias to exist.
Holmoephobic;842099294 said:
In order for your theory to obtain any merit, one would have to study the other NFL teams and find a correlation between the number of local colleges who have been drafted by them and compare that with how the 49er's have drafted Cal players.
spambait11;842099398 said:
How do you know for sure? Gut feeling or do you have a cogent study you can share?
spambait11;842099398 said:
How would such a study be relevant to anything? Such a study would not take into account a team's needs year by year, let alone their in-house evaluation schemes and priorities both short-term and long-term, contract issues, psycological evaluation, scouting evaluation and bias, athleticism, best available player, team fit, fianances, etc. Seems his speculation is just as good as your speculation.
Probably best to call it a day and to admit no one outside of the Niners organization knows for sure why they don't draft our players more regularly, especially since many gems have come out of our program during the past 10 years. And to stay on topic, I hope Nnamdi gets a ring wherever he signs: don't rightly care if it's the Niners or not.
Holmoephobic;842099418 said:
How does he know for sure? I am not the one trying to come up with a theory, he is. I am not the one crying foul, he is. You were so quick to slurp up his "facts" but I disagree and suddenly I need a cogent study? I am merely questioning a theory that, in my opinion, is not supported by facts and has little to no merit. The NFL is a 9 billion dollar industry that thrives on finding the best talent in the world.
The study would be relevant as it would BEGIN to answer his question. How do we know that the 49er's are unique in their 'bias' of the local team? How do we know that the 49er's didn't draft Cal players due to random chance?
Here's a fact for you, the most Cal players ever drafted in one draft class was 7. There are 214 players drafted each year. Therefore, there is a 3% chance at best that a specific team will draft a Cal player during a given year.
It's not difficult to see how a team can end up with few players from team X given the fact that the percentage of drafting a player from school Y is not exactly great.
Note: This number is far from exact as there are other variables that would alter it but I think it's generous as it assumes there are 7 Cal players in the draft.
Holmoephobic;842099294 said:
No, there is insufficient evidence to suggest a bias of any kind. There is also no credible motive for such a bias to exist. In order for your theory to obtain any merit, one would have to study the other NFL teams and find a correlation between the number of local colleges who have been drafted by them and compare that with how the 49er's have drafted Cal players.
The fact that the 49er's only drafted 7 Miami Hurricanes in 50+ years should suggest that the 49er's have a bias against Miami Hurricanes according to your theory. The other examples I provided earlier also debunk your theory.
In summary, there is no motive, reasonable explanation, or logical conclusion that suggests the 49er's have, or would have, a bias of any kind against Cal players.
