Trademark question

4,867 Views | 29 Replies | Last: 13 yr ago by Big C
Phantomfan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I am in San Diego and have seen dozens of "Cali" shirts intended to look like the script Cal.

How is this not an infringement? They are everywhere. Ridiculously popular.






And then this caught my eye.
NJCalFan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I have to say: I would rather like to say I'm from "Cal" than "Cali". Think you'd have to be goofy to choose a shirt that says "Cali" when you can get one that says "Cal".

But the copyright question is a good one. I remember someone telling me that certain logos are copyrighted and hence why we use them. And I think "Cal" is one of them (rather than that beautiful block C that I think would look so nice on our helmets). I think I heard somewhere (likely here on this board) that the chief reason we continue to use the script is because of the "Cal" script copyright.
TiredBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Regretably, that is in no way an infringement.
okaydo
How long do you want to ignore this user?
http://jimromenesko.com/2013/05/28/u-t-san-diego-kills-the-californian/
WildBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
TiredBear;842127723 said:

Regretably, that is in no way an infringement.


You sure? I would imagine adding an i to the script Cal would be a no-go?
TiredBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
WildBear;842127727 said:

You sure? I would imagine adding an i to the script Cal would be a no-go?


I don't believe so, because the script to begin with has been slightly altered. Sometimes, that's all it takes.
prospeCt
How long do you want to ignore this user?
oski, on rebranding, & rep'n bTown











:Lindsay:Monty
bearister
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Cal High School in San Ramon has been ripping us off for years:

okaydo
How long do you want to ignore this user?
https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1038&bih=542&q=cal+vulcans&oq=cal+vulcans&gs_l=img.3..0j0i5j0i24l6.532.1884.0.2138.11.8.0.0.0.0.246.610.3j1j1.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.15.img.Jf6PPixZ_Pg

beelzebear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Does anyone in California use the term "Cali"? Always thought of it as an East Coast reference, sorta like calling SF, Frisco.
mechaniCAL
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I sometimes use Cali when talking to out of state people and only use Cal to refer to the university
Cal_Fan2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
beelzebear;842127742 said:

Does anyone in California use the term "Cali"? Always thought of it as an East Coast reference, sorta like calling SF, Frisco.


Yup....and both derogatory terms or just goofy. I don't think I've ever said "Cali" except when stoned, drunk or just goofing around. I have heard people outside the state use the term.
The Duke!
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I have been away from California for some time, and have never seen these shirts before. Are they produced by a single company, or by a bunch of different little outfits operating out of garages and basements?

If it is the former, I would assume Cal's lawyers could easily get this shut down if they wanted to. But if it is the latter, then that is a lot more difficult.
Cal Panda Bear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Doesnt Cal's logo have a trademark logo on it?
Cal89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Cal Panda Bear;842127770 said:

Doesnt Cal's logo have a trademark logo on it?


Yup.

http://ombo.berkeley.edu/name/protection/trademarks
okaydo
How long do you want to ignore this user?
beelzebear;842127742 said:

Does anyone in California use the term "Cali"? Always thought of it as an East Coast reference, sorta like calling SF, Frisco.


Cal89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
From the link provided earlier, the FAQ:

http://ombo.berkeley.edu/name/questions/faq
WildBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
okaydo;842127773 said:




I'll watch myself in the future!
Vandalus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Cal89;842127772 said:

Yup.

http://ombo.berkeley.edu/name/protection/trademarks


http://ombo.berkeley.edu/sites/ombo.berkeley.edu/files/content/Report%20Trademark%20Misuse.pdf
OldBlue1999
How long do you want to ignore this user?
IMO the only way that's not infringement is if it's licensed. Without going into too much detail basically what it boils down to is whether people might be confused about who's making and selling the shirts. If people might think Cal is making them, or allowing them to be made, it's infringement unless Cal actually is making them or allowing them to be made. It gets a little more tricky whenever you use the name of a place, but I doubt that's an insurmountable issue here. Here the mark Cal has registered accounts for the look and feel of the script, which has been wholesale copied save the tacking on of an "i" at the end. This kind of minor change typically has very little (if any) ability to make the copy legal. Usually these types of novelty shirts try to use parody to legalize their copying, but it's hard to extrapolate any parody from these designs IMO.

Odds are the regents just don't know about these shirts, or their lawyers are just in the early stages of trying to shut the seller(s) down, or they don't care for some reason (doubtful).

Anyone interested in more detail can read this.
GB54
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I remember there was a vegetarian fast food in Santa Cruz called McDharma's. McD challenged them and won-they changed the name to Dharma.
BoaltBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
On a side note it's interesting that the "Sideview bear with name" is protected, but not the sideview bear alone. Also don't see the block C we all equate with Cal.
UrsaMajor
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Actually, James Bethea uses the term "Cali" in the legendary pep talk before the 2003 USC game.
OldBlue1999
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Interesting that you bring up the "sideview bear". If you look closely you'll notice it has a TM designation and not what's sometimes called a "circle-R" designation like some of the others do. This usually means the mark is not registered with the PTO, and lo and behold, it seems that since 2008 Cal has been in litigation over its attempt to register that mark with none other than Jack Nicklaus (or one of his companies at least).

It's always been my hunch that there was a trademark aspect to why we don't see that bear used more frequently and prominently. This may help explain why we got the new bear logo everyone loves so much...

http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91186488&pty=OPP
heartofthebear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think if it's a red shirt, it's pretty clear that Cal did not make it.
72CalBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
UrsaMajor;842127822 said:

Actually, James Bethea uses the term "Cali" in the legendary pep talk before the 2003 USC game.


Yes, just watched Tyler's "Countdown to Kickoff" (for the zillionth time) this last week and it was part of the pre-game chant that the Bears did before the USC game - "Go Cali!" ended the team chant.

I saw a guy at the gym sporting the "Cali" t-shirt and asked him where he got it..at a local swap meet..$5 bucks...I like em!
Cal89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I've always seen "Cali" as an affectionate name for our beloved state... Between that and being a Cal grad, it is also my oldest daughter's name.

LL:
GivemTheAxe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
mechaniCAL;842127743 said:

I sometimes use Cali when talking to out of state people and only use Cal to refer to the university


I would say "Berkeley". Before I say "Cali"

Everyone knows Berkeley is in California.
The Duke!
How long do you want to ignore this user?
UrsaMajor;842127822 said:

Actually, James Bethea uses the term "Cali" in the legendary pep talk before the 2003 USC game.


Well done.
Calcoholic
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I saw one of these shirts for the first time last week. So ugly with the "i" added on.

TiredBear;842127723 said:

Regretably, that is in no way an infringement.


A court would almost certainly view it as trademark infringement under the prevailing "liklihood of confusion" standard.

Here's a treatise excerpt: To be more specific, the use of a trademark in connection with the sale of a good constitutes infringement if it is likely to cause consumer confusion as to the source of those goods or as to the sponsorship or approval of such goods. In deciding whether consumers are likely to be confused, the courts will typically look to a number of factors, including: (1) the strength of the mark; (2) the proximity of the goods; (3) the similarity of the marks; (4) evidence of actual confusion; (5) the similarity of marketing channels used; (6) the degree of caution exercised by the typical purchaser; (7) the defendant's intent. Polaroid Corp. v. Polarad Elect. Corp., 287 F.2d 492 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 368 U.S. 820 (1961).

I'm not going to do a full analysis, but the hardest element to prove would probably be #2, but a good expert/consultant could drum up evidence of confusion fairly easily. The rest are basically slam dunks.

I agree with whoever said that Cal's lawyers are either already on this, or will be soon.
Big C
How long do you want to ignore this user?
beelzebear;842127742 said:

Does anyone in California use the term "Cali"? Always thought of it as an East Coast reference, sorta like calling SF, Frisco.


People of my generation (late Boomers) knew to "never call it 'Frisco'" and, of course, never ever used or even heard of "Cali".

About 10 years ago, I heard a kid from the Bayview call it "Frisco" and I was, like, aghast, but some folks who live there DO call it that and Herb Caen ain't around no more to straighten things out.

Kinda same with "Cali". It's being used more and more by youth. I, personally, don't like it and will probably always yell at those folks to get the heck off my lawn.

And so it goes with the English language.
Refresh
Page 1 of 1
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.