Name a Coach who has Won w/ 13 major injuries and Multiple Frosh Starting 1st Year

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movielover
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[Editorial Note: I am not Sonny, his wife, or Kline's Troll Father.]

If you can name one who has had an improvement with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

The Bears had numerous Freshmen starting at key positions, not All Americans or even 2nd string players.

OLine - 3 Freshmen

QB - Freshman, and backup a Frosh

MLB - a 4th string Frosh?

These are just 3 examples. I know there are issues with defensive coaching, and the transition was hard for those recruited by long-term position coaches.

Go ahead. Whack away.

P.S. Yes, there needs to be a big step up this next year, not Rose Bowl, but marked, visible improvement.
Go!Bears
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I think you have it right. This season's task was impossible and Dykes did not achieve the impossible. "Fire him!" That'll work.

Of course things were awful this year, but what that says about the future is not clear. We have to wait & see. There are no other options. Moaning about it will get us nowhere. I will support Dykes until he is gone, because I support Cal and he is the only coach we have.
bar20
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Ah give us a hint. We know it's not ykes,
wifeisafurd
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Mora has done a fine job. He benefited last year from a much easier schedule. He also dealt with less injuries. OTOH, he has to start more true frosh on oline, and faced a lot of injury issues. The guy has a linebacker as is current main running back, and has dline guys blocking on many plays due to injuries. His team starts and plays a lot of frosh. Not the same situation as Dykes, but similar.
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movielover;842232304 said:

[Editorial Note: I am not Sonny, his wife, or Kline's Troll Father.]

If you can name one who has had an improvement with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

The Bears had numerous Freshmen starting at key positions, not All Americans or even 2nd string players.

OLine - 3 Freshmen

QB - Freshman, and backup a Frosh

MLB - a 4th string Frosh?

These are just 3 examples. I know there are issues with defensive coaching, and the transition was hard for those recruited by long-term position coaches.

Go ahead. Whack away.

P.S. Yes, there needs to be a big step up this next year, not Rose Bowl, but marked, visible improvement.


You could have also included the DB situation where two strong starters at CB and S went down. DB was a known weak area even before the injuries.
A true frosh, recruited as a CB was sent into a game at S where he had zero experience. To his credit, he kept improving as the season progressed.

Regardless, we played a bunch of kids who last year, or the year before, were in high school and sent them out against experienced juniors and seniors, including fifth year seniors.
HKBear97
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movielover;842232304 said:

[Editorial Note: I am not Sonny, his wife, or Kline's Troll Father.]

If you can name one who has had an improvement with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

The Bears had numerous Freshmen starting at key positions, not All Americans or even 2nd string players.

OLine - 3 Freshmen

QB - Freshman, and backup a Frosh

MLB - a 4th string Frosh?

These are just 3 examples. I know there are issues with defensive coaching, and the transition was hard for those recruited by long-term position coaches.

Go ahead. Whack away.

P.S. Yes, there needs to be a big step up this next year, not Rose Bowl, but marked, visible improvement.


How about name a coach at Cal who led the team to a 1-11 season, who oversaw a season without a win against an FBS opponent, who suffered the worse loss in a Big Game or who oversaw a team that gave up 551 points in a season?
HaloBear
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wifeisafurd;842232314 said:

Mora has done a fine job. He benefited last year from a much easier schedule. He also dealt with less injuries. OTOH, he has to start more true frosh on oline, and faced a lot of injury issues. The guy has a linebacker as is current main running back, and has dline guys blocking on many plays due to injuries. His team starts and plays a lot of frosh. Not the same situation as Dykes, but similar.


UCLA has had a top 10 class for something like 4 or 5 out of the last 6 years.

We might have one top 10 recruiting class in our school's history.

They were LOADED when Mora coached his first game.

From that standpoint, the situations aren't remotely similar.
BearlyCareAnymore
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movielover;842232304 said:

[Editorial Note: I am not Sonny, his wife, or Kline's Troll Father.]

If you can name one who has had an improvement with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

The Bears had numerous Freshmen starting at key positions, not All Americans or even 2nd string players.

OLine - 3 Freshmen

QB - Freshman, and backup a Frosh

MLB - a 4th string Frosh?

These are just 3 examples. I know there are issues with defensive coaching, and the transition was hard for those recruited by long-term position coaches.

Go ahead. Whack away.

P.S. Yes, there needs to be a big step up this next year, not Rose Bowl, but marked, visible improvement.

It is absolutely amazing how stunningly clueless these arguments are. No one expected a Rose Bowl. Very few expected a winning season. Most of us would have been satisfied with three wins, being competitive in some of our losses and some decent progress. Those are very low expectations and they are so low because we take into account all that you say. Your points are good if you are trying to justify a 3 or 4 win season. They are horrible if you are trying to justify barely beating a FCS team and only being somewhat competitive in one other game.

How many injuries did we have when we lost to Northwestern by 14 at home? Northwestern is 0-7 in conference. How many injuries when we barely beat PSU?

I've got worst season in history to bolster my argument. You need a better counter. Like one positive on the field. Not excuses. One positive. Good luck finding it.

And a lot of frosh played because Dykes chose to play them, partially because experienced players quit on him. In a few cases literally quit the team.
Cal89
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Solid question. Unfortunately, unless I'm Googling wrong, there is not an easy way to find such data. I'm not familiar enough with 100+ teams over the years to know such information....

What we do know is that over the course of 100+ years of playing football, it's highly likely that we had at least a few seasons with an inordinate amount of key injuries. Those were probably tough seasons...

We just had the worst season in our history though. Both our O and D are the worst in the conference, and pretty such so for all FBS team. In line with that, we just experienced the worst BG beatdown ever.

Without question, the rash of injuries was a factor in our level of play. To make us the worst football team in our history, and probably the worst this year in FBS, there would seem to be more involved...

We once thought it was a brutal schedule, but as it turns-out, it was tough, not distinctly more so than the average conference foe. NU is still winless in conference, quite a poor team. We even thought PSU might possibly be an FCS juggernaut this year, but they are playing 3-5 in the Big Sky...

Coaching is always a factor. Setbacks and adversity are part of game and must be dealt with accordingly. Good coaching staffs find ways to win or at least improve, to get on the path to winning. To be polite, very little can be said in that regard.
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OaktownBear;842232330 said:

It is absolutely amazing how stunningly clueless these arguments are. No one expected a Rose Bowl. Very few expected a winning season. Most of us would have been satisfied with three wins, being competitive in some of our losses and some decent progress. Those are very low expectations and they are so low because we take into account all that you say. Your points are good if you are trying to justify a 3 or 4 win season. They are horrible if you are trying to justify barely beating a FCS team and only being somewhat competitive in one other game.

How many injuries did we have when we lost to Northwestern by 14 at home? Northwestern is 0-7 in conference. How many injuries when we barely beat PSU?

I've got worst season in history to bolster my argument. You need a better counter. Like one positive on the field. Not excuses. One positive. Good luck finding it.

And a lot of frosh played because Dykes chose to play them, partially because experienced players quit on him. In a few cases literally quit the team.



But but but but we was da most injured team in da history of footballz!!!111

Next year I bet we double our win total, if we stay healthy!


:cheerykes:cheer
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HaasBear04;842232337 said:

But but but but we was da most injured team in da history of footballz!!!111

Next year I bet we double our win total, if we stay healthy!


:cheerykes:cheer


I absolutely agree! Even with Buh as DC, Sonny could maybe double his win total as Cal HC. Let's hope Sac State wouldn't be as good as Portland State next year.
HaasBear04
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FremontBear;842232340 said:

I absolutely agree! Even with Buh as DC, Sonny could maybe double his win total as Cal HC. Let's hope Sac State wouldn't be as good as Portland State next year.


I dunno, those hornets are pretty feisty. I might to dial back the optimism a little.
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OaktownBear;842232330 said:

It is absolutely amazing how stunningly clueless these arguments are. No one expected a Rose Bowl. Very few expected a winning season. Most of us would have been satisfied with three wins, being competitive in some of our losses and some decent progress. Those are very low expectations and they are so low because we take into account all that you say. Your points are good if you are trying to justify a 3 or 4 win season. They are horrible if you are trying to justify barely beating a FCS team and only being somewhat competitive in one other game.

How many injuries did we have when we lost to Northwestern by 14 at home? Northwestern is 0-7 in conference. How many injuries when we barely beat PSU?

I've got worst season in history to bolster my argument. You need a better counter. Like one positive on the field. Not excuses. One positive. Good luck finding it.

And a lot of frosh played because Dykes chose to play them, partially because experienced players quit on him. In a few cases literally quit the team.


Should Dykes have played those who quit on him?
FremontBear
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movielover;842232304 said:

[Editorial Note: I am not Sonny, his wife, or Kline's Troll Father.]

If you can name one who has had an improvement with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

The Bears had numerous Freshmen starting at key positions, not All Americans or even 2nd string players.

OLine - 3 Freshmen

QB - Freshman, and backup a Frosh

MLB - a 4th string Frosh?

These are just 3 examples. I know there are issues with defensive coaching, and the transition was hard for those recruited by long-term position coaches.

Go ahead. Whack away.

P.S. Yes, there needs to be a big step up this next year, not Rose Bowl, but marked, visible improvement.


Why do I get the feeling if we go 2-10 next year, apologists would have new and improved lists of excuses for Sunny? Maybe even something like 'we doubled our wins, so Sonny deserves more time.'
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HaasBear04;842232337 said:

But but but but we was da most injured team in da history of footballz!!!111

Next year I bet we double our win total, if we stay healthy!


:cheerykes:cheer


Are you sure about that? I think we only play one FCS team next year.
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Florida and Georgia Southern are two teams that had a lot of injuries. Florida lost 12 starters and 25 players have missed games due to injuries and Georgia Southern has lost 19 of their 65 scholarship players to injury this year. While Florida didn't improve, neither they or Georgia Southern are using injuries as an excuse either. By the way, both teams have a lot more wins than Cal does. It's the job of the coach that we're paying $2.3 million dollars a year to make the needed adjustments required to get more than 1 win a year, to show some type of improvement throughout the season. By his own admission, Dykes hasn't seen any improvement on the field. We're still out of position, missing tackles, unable to score in the red zone, giving 40+ points a game, giving up over 500+ yrds a game in total offense, giving up multiple 20+ yrds a plays, have below average production in the running game and giving up multiple sacks each game. What has Sonny & Co. done this year to garner the support of the Cal fan base? He looks and sounds defeated after feeding the Cal fan base sunshine and rainbows. He sounds like he doesn't have a clue what to do to fix this.
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jyamada;842232342 said:

Should Dykes have played those who quit on him?


How about inspiring your players to success so they don't quit. They aren't bad guys. They quit because he gave them no reason not to.

One positive thing. Not an excuse for negatives. Give me one positive thing. Even our punter got worse.
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HaasBear04;842232337 said:

But but but but we was da most injured team in da history of footballz!!!111

Next year I bet we double our win total, if we stay healthy!


:cheerykes:cheer


Look on the bright side, if he doubles our win total, our wins against FBS teams will have gone up infinitely.

To infinity and beyond!!!!!!!
BeachyBear
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Apart from the passing game, which was good but without a running game couldn't get it done, I have zero positive. Then again every other aspect of our team was not very good to begin with and suffered major injuries. (Actually passing game did too, but we have depth at receiver.). Is Dykes good or bad? Can't say. A bad group of players to begin the season got significantly worse because of injury. I can't fault Dykes for not getting improvement from his third and fourth string that came in halfway into the season. I believe Dykes will do much better than this season ping forward buy I have nothing from this season to bolster that argument. Then again I would be hard-pressed to pull the trigger on Dykes given the variables this season.

In other words, wait till next season. Which is going o happen anyhow whatever I think of it. I've accepted it.
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Saban, the best coach in college football, would have coached this Cal team to maybe three wins. Maybe.

Someone get these trolls out of this forum and send them back to the CardBoard where they belong.
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movielover;842232304 said:

If you can name one who has had an [SIZE=4]improvement[/SIZE] with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

2011 Oregon State. Mike Riley. Despite the key injuries quoted below and starting 0-4 (including a 1st game loss at home to Sacramento State!), they did show IMPROVEMENT in the course of that season, including 3 conference victories (over Arizona, and 2 large-margin Ws by 17+ pts over WSU and in late November over UW). This was the first year w/o Jacquizz Rodgers. In addition, James Rodgers was never anywhere near the same player at OSU after the season-ending knee injury of Oct. 2010 (he only managed to sign as an undrafted free agent in 2012). Freshman QB Sean Mannion played in 12 games, and (I think) started in 11. And OSU is not a hotbed of elite recruits.

Aug. 19, 2011 Oregon State's Mike Riley says spate of injuries provides opportunity for other players:
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Mike Riley doesn't believe in curses, and he's one of those guys that thinks everything happens for a reason.

"We're being tested,'' said the coach, addressing the team's debilitating injuries.

The Beavers will likely open their season Sept. 3 against Sacramento State without star flanker James Rodgers, No. 1 tight end Joe Halahuni, starting right corner Brandon Hardin and starting defensive tackle Kevin Frahm.

There is a laundry list of other injured players, players coming back slowly from injuries, or players simply dinged up from 11 days of practice. ... the list includes true frosh WR Brandin Cooks, who was looking like a potential fill-in for J Rod at flanker.

Riley said he can't understand why his team has been hit so hard, considering that he has shortened practices.

The coach almost called off Thursday's scrimmage because he was afraid somebody else would get hurt - and sure enough linebacker D.J. Welch (sprained elbow) and reserve lineman Derek Nielsen (ankle) went down.

On Friday morning, running backs Terron Ward (knee) and Storm Woods (ankle) were out.
Sept. 30, 2011:
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Here are the five major injuries that have plagued this team in 2011

Malcolm Agnew: Hamstring

Josh LaGrone: Knee
LaGrone was in a battle with Anthony Watkins for a starting safety job, but that became irrelevant once word came out of his injury. LaGrone injured his knee this offseason, and it was reported early on that he would in fact be out for the Beavers' entire 2011 season.

Joshua Andrews: Knee
Andrews was lost for a minimum of 4-5 weeks during the Beavers' bye week, and the injury could turn out to have him out much longer than that. Andrews earned a starting guard spot this season, and his void on the line has been felt.

Michael Philipp: Knee
Philipp was one of only two returning starters on the offensive line for the Beavers, and it has recently come out that he will be lost for the season after undergoing knee surgery. Philipp can take a medical redshirt and retain a year of eligibility.

Brandon Hardin: Shoulder
Perhaps no injury across the country had more of an impact on a team in college football than the loss of Brandon Hardin for the Beavers. Oregon State's veteran corner, Hardin was prepared to enter his senior season as one of the top defensive backs in the entire Pac-12. A shoulder injury in the offseason has put Hardin out indefinitely, and there's no news on when to expect a return (if he does).
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For the love of GAWD, please stop the WHINING AND EXCUSES!
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OaktownBear;842232330 said:

I've got worst season in history to bolster my argument. You need a better counter. Like one positive on the field. Not excuses. One positive. Good luck finding it.


Goff set the freshman QB passing yards record! DUH! :cheer

Seriously, though, that's a positive by any objective metric.
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Let's not get carried away and say our passing game was good this year. Our completion % is in the bottom 25% for our conference, as is our TD to INT ratio.

Comparing Goff to Maynard, now that season is done:

Goff

Completion % = 60.3
QBR = 123.2
Y/A = 6.6
TD / INT = 18/10

Maynard

Completion % = 60.8
QBR = 130.3
Y/A = 7.5
TD / INT = 12/10

Compared to the conference, we are not a good passing team this year, unless good is in the bottom 25%. Our starter compared to last year's, who is generally considered a poor QB, has very comparable stats, actually a little worse...
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Nobody will argue our offense was lousy this year, despite the passing yards record.

Considering the offense in 2012 was equally lousy, and that there was a 5th year senior QB, two senior RBs, a couple of senior OL, and a all-American WR on that team who all left, the offensive performance this season doesn't seem all that surprising.

OaktownBear;842232330 said:

And a lot of frosh played because Dykes chose to play them, partially because experienced players quit on him. In a few cases literally quit the team.


I don't think that's fair at all. The roster had only 9 seniors. Why don't you name some upperclassmen you felt were more deserving of playing time over younger players if you are going to make this accusation.
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OaktownBear;842232354 said:

How about inspiring your players to success so they don't quit. They aren't bad guys. They quit because he gave them no reason not to.

One positive thing. Not an excuse for negatives. Give me one positive thing. Even our punter got worse.


How do you know that nobody got better? Even the punter? Are you basing your assessment on 1-11 or have you been to all the football practices to actually see a lack of improvement with any of the players?
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Arguably, 2012 WSU. Mike Leach. Leach's first year over a team lacking in talent (with few exceptions). New systems on both sides of the ball. In addition, their starting OL consisted of 2 underclassmen, plus an underweight, former walk-on tackle w/ very little experience. On defense, their leading tackler from the previous year had graduated, and 2 starters in their LB corps were dismissed in the spring, resulting in a freshman and a sophomore starting and another sophomore leading the group. Their leading receiver, Marquess Wilson, left the team accusing the staff of abuse. Rumors of low morale and team dissension abounded throughout the year.

I bring up Leach & Co. '12 not only because of their conference WIN over then #25 UW but, more importantly, b/c in 6 of their conference losses they were actually COMPETITIVE. They lost by only 8 to #17 UCLA. They lost honorably 6-19 @ #14 OSU. They lost by only 1 TD @ Stanfurd. That win over UW also came in the last game of the year, which qualifies as IMPROVEMENT. Despite their many built-in and situational disadvantages, by comparison they performed significantly better than TFS-BUH '13 (8 blowouts).
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jyamada;842232413 said:

How do you know that nobody got better? Even the punter? Are you basing your assessment on 1-11 or have you been to all the football practices to actually see a lack of improvement with any of the players?

Practices don't count, only performance on the field does. And by that measure we didn't improve one bit from the opening loss to Northwestern to the blowout in the Big Game. In fact we got worst. Much worst.
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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842232472 said:

Arguably, 2012 WSU. Mike Leach. Leach's first year over a team lacking in talent (with few exceptions). New systems on both sides of the ball. In addition, their starting OL consisted of 2 underclassmen, plus an underweight, former walk-on tackle w/ very little experience. On defense, their leading tackler from the previous year had graduated, and 2 starters in their LB corps were dismissed in the spring, resulting in a freshman and a sophomore starting and another sophomore leading the group. Their leading receiver, Marquess Wilson, left the team accusing the staff of abuse. Rumors of low morale and team dissension abounded throughout the year.

I bring up Leach & Co. '12 not only because of their conference WIN over then #25 UW but, more importantly, b/c in 6 of their conference losses they were actually COMPETITIVE. They lost by only 8 to #17 UCLA. They lost honorably 6-19 @ #14 OSU. They lost by only 1 TD @ Stanfurd. That win over UW also came in the last game of the year, which qualifies as IMPROVEMENT. Despite their many built-in and situational disadvantages, by comparison they performed significantly better than TFS-BUH '13 (8 blowouts).

Great example! And then look at this year where WSU is bowl eligible. There is a staff that has led to improvement.

What we've seen at Cal this year is not improvement.
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Urban Meyer.
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For anyone still supporting Dykes, do you think this coaching staff is even capable of out-coaching another conference staff? There has to be some real skepticism about their competency at this point. I will be pleasantly surprised if they even win one conference game next year.
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jyamada;842232413 said:

How do you know that nobody got better? Even the punter? Are you basing your assessment on 1-11 or have you been to all the football practices to actually see a lack of improvement with any of the players?


j - I like you. You are a supremely nice guy. But this response has me incredulous. As the exact same points had me incredulous 12 years ago.

1. I didn't say nobody got better. I said give me a positive, not an excuse. You still haven't. The point is, you can look at this as giving reasons to fire him, or you can think of this as giving reasons to keep him. Dykes' defenders give lots of reasons why he can't be blamed for negative. But no one gives any argument that he has done something good. (as for the punter, a guy who has always been good just got benched by your coach a couple weeks ago for his lousy performance, so I think i can say "even the punter")

2. C'mon man. You are better than to think that I have to attend every football practice to judge a team that I have watched play 12 games. Your response to my asking people to demonstrate anything positive (an easy proposition if anything positive has happened) is to tell me I have to prove nothing positive has happened. I have to somehow prove I watched every second of practice and nothing positive happened. The classic proving a negative which is impossible. The point of practice is to be prepared for games. I saw all the games. We just had the worst season of our bad history. What happened in practice in that context is virtually irrelevant.

3. Am I basing my assessment on 1-11? You are damned right I am. Now I could go deeper and give you a lot of stats. I can describe what I saw at games. But I'm going to say what I said under Holmoe. I don't need to demonstrate that every phase of every unit is shyte. 1-11 is enough. If a coach goes 11-1, and you want to say he is an idiot, you need to bring some really good arguments that overcome 11-1. On the flip side, 1-11 is objective abject failure. I don't need to demonstrate that it is awful or why it is awful. You need to demonstrate that it isn't.

In law there is the concept of res ipsa loquitur. Meaning the thing speaks for itself. Dykes is coach and he went 1-11. That is failure. It speaks for itself. If you want to demonstrate that he shouldn't be held responsible for it, you need to make a good argument. This concept that I'm ONLY basing it on 1-11 is hilarious. It is like saying "you are only basing that murder charge on the fact that he was standing over the body with a smoking gun in his hand with blood spatters all over him screaming 'eat lead loser!' What else you got?"

I can make plenty of arguments that Dykes sucks beyond going 1-11, but I can rest my case on 1-11 if I want to. No one has come up with anything to rebut that.

And seriously. You were with Holmoe to the end, weren't you?
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movielover;842232304 said:

[Editorial Note: I am not Sonny, his wife, or Kline's Troll Father.]

If you can name one who has had an improvement with a team in Diapers, let us know. I'm serious. Team, year, coach, improvement achieved.

The Bears had numerous Freshmen starting at key positions, not All Americans or even 2nd string players.

OLine - 3 Freshmen

QB - Freshman, and backup a Frosh

MLB - a 4th string Frosh?

These are just 3 examples. I know there are issues with defensive coaching, and the transition was hard for those recruited by long-term position coaches.

Go ahead. Whack away.

P.S. Yes, there needs to be a big step up this next year, not Rose Bowl, but marked, visible improvement.

I can give an example of a team that regressed less with a new coach and even less experienced players (though they didn't exceed their win count from the previous year). They went from 3 wins the year prior with one cancelled game to 2 wins the following.

Which is still better than going from 3 wins to 1 win. Anybody know the team I'm referencing?
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BeachyBear;842232368 said:

Apart from the passing game, which was good but without a running game couldn't get it done, I have zero positive. Then again every other aspect of our team was not very good to begin with and suffered major injuries. (Actually passing game did too, but we have depth at receiver.). Is Dykes good or bad? Can't say. A bad group of players to begin the season got significantly worse because of injury. I can't fault Dykes for not getting improvement from his third and fourth string that came in halfway into the season. I believe Dykes will do much better than this season ping forward buy I have nothing from this season to bolster that argument. Then again I would be hard-pressed to pull the trigger on Dykes given the variables this season.

In other words, wait till next season. Which is going o happen anyhow whatever I think of it. I've accepted it.


Our passing game is not better. We just pass more and thus get more yards.

2012 Completion Percentage: 58%

2013 Completion Percentage: 59%

2012 Yards per Pass: 6.8

2013 Yards per Pass: 6.4

2012 Yards per Catch: 11.8

2013 Yards per catch: 10.8

Our total yards are higher because we threw 622 times this year vs. 366 times last year. Our pass efficiency is actually worse than last year.

As for waiting because you think it will happen no matter what, I get that, but I don't agree. Cal admin thinks they can accept incompetence because they think Cal fans don't care. If you think the situation is unacceptable you should be clear about that even if you think nothing will happen. If they can't afford a buyout, fine. But they should clearly understand that we are ticked off every second until they make a change and we expect the change to happen as soon as possible.
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USC. Check their roster due to sanctions. On top of that they had injuries this year.

Also, see Georgia.

Also, see UCLA when they had Neuhesial as coach. Cant think of the name but the QB was a walk on later transferring to Sac State.
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