^ why would he mute it when he specifically said his ideal QB would have a running element to him

Big C_Cal;842234614 said:

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I hate to ask, not wanting to jinx us, but, is Rubenzer still solid for Cal? MB? Anyone?

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This report is one person removed, but the word from a family friend is that Rubenzer is real grateful that Cal offered, wants to go to a school with high academic standards and is fully committed to Cal. BTW, Saguaro HS, Rubenzer's school, is highly rated academically.

The Arizona Republic has a terrific article on Rubenzer:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/preps/articles/20131126no-doubt-luke-rubenzers-tds-ties-state-mark-saguaro.html?nclick_check=1

Cal89;842234751 said:

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Has TF ever and utilized such a mobile QB before?

I too like the idea very much, but as I've said before, I really hope that TF would not try to make him what he is not and mute his dynamic style...

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Yep, this is the biggest factor. Does The System utilize a Michael Vick? If not-- if he's asked to stay in the (ever collapsing) pocket then Goff will likely be the QB for the next zillion years.

Davidson;842234752 said:

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^ why would he mute it when he specifically said his ideal QB would have a running element to him

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Davidson, I want this dynamic very bad, believe me. Here is why I asked and have a bit of concern...

In the one game this year where a Cal QB used his feet a fair amount, at clutch times pick-up first downs, keep drives alive (OSU / Kline), instead of praise, the kid got some grief.

I'd want to see Luke run, and to improvise in ways that has him excelling now. If doing so too excessively in TF's eyes, that he's not "feeding the machine" with those desirable passes that we see so often, I wonder if his style of game will be curtailed. That is why I'm wondering if TF ever had such a dual threat before... Would be nice to know from past experience, as opposed to just hoping that Luke will be allowed to be the same dynamic guy we see at Saguaro...

Davidson;842234752 said:

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^ why would he mute it when he specifically said his ideal QB would have a running element to him

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about what Dykes said about Kline's scrambling. It sounded like a QB running around making plays is not what Dykes wants. Maybe it is a 'structured' scrambling QB Sonny wants? Maybe he just didn't want Kline? Who knows.

82gradDLSdad;842234773 said:

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about what Dykes said about Kline's scrambling. It sounded like a QB running around making plays is not what Dykes wants. Maybe it is a 'structured' scrambling QB Sonny wants? Maybe he just didn't want Kline? Who knows.

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Nice Job 82. That is sort of what I'm left with...

That maybe if the QB is truly a dual threat, of course Goff and Kline are not, then maybe that skillset will be valued.

Also, with the emphasis on supporting the starting QB in all ways possible, praising the back-up was just not in the cards with this staff...

An example of TF actually using a dynamic running QB would be nice to see. Otherwise, we'll just have to wait and see...

They dont want Kline to run...because well...he's not good at it.

And scrambling is not equal to running threat

Davidson;842234795 said:

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They dont want Kline to run...because well...he's not good at it.

And scrambling is not equal to running threat

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That is indeed my thinking why I said Luke is seemingly a true dual threat... Would be nice to know that TF had used such before though, and even if so, we are in unchartered territory with the TFS in this conference anyways. At the least, it should be interesting...

BearBones;842234757 said:

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This report is one person removed, but the word from a family friend is that Rubenzer is real grateful that Cal offered, wants to go to a school with high academic standards and is fully committed to Cal. BTW, Saguaro HS, Rubenzer's school, is highly rated academically.

The Arizona Republic has a terrific article on Rubenzer:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/preps/articles/20131126no-doubt-luke-rubenzers-tds-ties-state-mark-saguaro.html?nclick_check=1

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I saw that Rubenzer was interested in playing for a lot of the Ivies so he's a good kid to have on the team. He will help our APR. However, I doubt he will ever see the field as the starting QB for Cal unless someone is injured. Still excited to have him, but he's not a star in the making and I base that on two things:

1. His height. I guess he could turn into a Fran Tarkenton or a Drew Brees, but it is a definite strike against him.

2. He was watched by a LOT of schools and very few decided to offer to him. It's not like he went under the radar and no one was recruiting him. He was being recruited heavily, but in the end we were the only major program to offer. I don't know why other schools chose not to make an offer, but to me that's a big red flag.

Crazy stats. I initially shrugged my shoulders when Dykes said he changed his mind and was taking a QB and it was him. But wow. A smart, accurate prolific passer who can RUN... and looking better and better every week. Maybe SD found a good one.

Davidson;842233940 said:

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^ Rubenzer is 6" with cleats on a good day.

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Gotta be tough to QB if you're only as tall as a guinea pig.

dimitrig;842234914 said:

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2. He was watched by a LOT of schools and very few decided to offer to him. It's not like he went under the radar and no one was recruiting him. He was being recruited heavily, but in the end we were the only major program to offer. I don't know why other schools chose not to make an offer, but to me that's a big red flag.

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Rubenzer would have more offers if he wasn't so solid on Cal. Look at Kline and Goff, they committed very early on and as a result had like 4 offers total. Goff had offers from a bottom tier Pac 12 team and a couple MWC teams. And this is for elite prospects, Kline was the #2 QB in the nation and Goff is a consensus 4 star. It's no shocker that a 3 star with a lot of perceived limitations wouldn't get much play after committing.

concernedparent;842234927 said:

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Rubenzer would have more offers if he wasn't so solid on Cal. Look at Kline and Goff, they committed very early on and as a result had like 4 offers total. Goff had offers from a bottom tier Pac 12 team and a couple MWC teams. And this is for elite prospects, Kline was the #2 QB in the nation and Goff is a consensus 4 star. It's no shocker that a 3 star with a lot of perceived limitations wouldn't get much play after committing.

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This makes sense. Players at other positions can pretty much play anywhere and garner interest from schools primarily on overall ability. Even after a player has committed, additional offers will come. Because of this, we see the occasional flip.

QBs are looking much more at fit, like the kind of offense the school runs and the other QBs on the roster. They receive interest from fewer schools as a result and often make an early commitment to the best match. Following commitment, other schools generally don't bother with an offer. I can't even remember the last time a QB flipped.

DangerBear;842234919 said:

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Gotta be tough to QB if you're only as tall as a guinea pig.

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LOL.

They're great in the huddle.

dimitrig;842234914 said:

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I saw that Rubenzer was interested in playing for a lot of the Ivies so he's a good kid to have on the team. He will help our APR. However, I doubt he will ever see the field as the starting QB for Cal unless someone is injured. Still excited to have him, but he's not a star in the making and I base that on two things:

1. His height. I guess he could turn into a Fran Tarkenton or a Drew Brees, but it is a definite strike against him.

2. He was watched by a LOT of schools and very few decided to offer to him. It's not like he went under the radar and no one was recruiting him. He was being recruited heavily, but in the end we were the only major program to offer. I don't know why other schools chose not to make an offer, but to me that's a big red flag.

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Look at his offer list and compare it to others I have linked.

Davidson;842234749 said:

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For all you guys worrying about Stars, stop it. For the QB position, a lot of it is based on hitting some metrics. How tall are you? Do you have a cannon for an arm? Do you look the part? What league do you play in? etc etc.

jus sayin

Johnny football - 3 stars - http://rivals.yahoo.com/tamu/football/recruiting/player-Johnny-Manziel-89597
Marcus Mariota - 3 stars - http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Mariota-109435
Russell Wilson - 2 stars - http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Russell-Wilson-45472

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Luke-Rubenzer-132136

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concernedparent;842234927 said:

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Rubenzer would have more offers if he wasn't so solid on Cal. Look at Kline and Goff, they committed very early on and as a result had like 4 offers total. Goff had offers from a bottom tier Pac 12 team and a couple MWC teams. And this is for elite prospects, Kline was the #2 QB in the nation and Goff is a consensus 4 star. It's no shocker that a 3 star with a lot of perceived limitations wouldn't get much play after committing.

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We are one of the worst teams in the country with a coaching staff who may not survive next year. If any team really wants Rubenzer they will offer him and tell him that our entire staff and system may not be around by the time he gets to play. You'd be a crappy recruiter if you didn't do this. I suspect most teams are scared off by his height and the level of competition he played against.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/luke-rubenzer/aA7htfTmEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm#year=13-14

one word that comes to mind is production

dimitrig;842233935 said:

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... I hate to say it, but I think Rubenzer will be a practice player.

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"hate to say it" ... you're full of runny rodent feces
You LOVE to say it but are too cowardly to say so.

82gradDLSdad;842235337 said:

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We are one of the worst teams in the country with a coaching staff who may not survive next year. If any team really wants Rubenzer they will offer him and tell him that our entire staff and system may not be around by the time he gets to play. You'd be a crappy recruiter if you didn't do this. I suspect most teams are scared off by his height and the level of competition he played against.

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You're right ... it would be kinda like offering a QB from an obscure JC in Chico who never got D1 offers ... oh wait, JT did that ... what was that name?

Roderick? Rogeress? sumthin like that.

going4roses;842235367 said:

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http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/luke-rubenzer/aA7htfTmEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm#year=13-14

one word that comes to mind is production

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You could say that he is a slow starter. In the opening game loss to Chapparral, he was 14 of 35 attempts for 199 yards and 1 TD and 3 INTs. Ouch! He did improve remarkably during the season though.

SonOfCalVa;842235399 said:

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You're right ... it would be kinda like offering a QB from an obscure JC in Chico who never got D1 offers ... oh wait, JT did that ... what was that name?

Roderick? Rogeress? sumthin like that.

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Rodgers was under the radar. Rubenzer was being tracked and teams decided to pass. Not the same at all.

Tedhead94;842233582 said:

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Wasn't his competition and league one of the main reasons he wasn't rated particularly high to begin with? I remember Dilfer or someone mentioning this as the biggest reason he wasn't being taken seriously.

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After Going4Roses posted Rubenzer's MaxPrep stats, I looked a bit further at the team's schedule.

Saguaro played the number 4 ranked team in the state in its first game and lost 52-27. By far Rubenzer's worst game of the season. They have not lost since and are playing the #8 ranked team in the state for the Div 3 state championship (a team they beat earlier in the year, 35-28).

Saguaro has played the #4, #8, #10, #15, #17 and #34 ranked teams in the state in going 12-1. On a side note, the #15 team, Marcos de Niza beat the #4 team, Chaparral, during the regular season but lost in the state playoffs (Div 2).

In any event, I think Saguaro's competition was pretty good, regardless of the division they played in or their school size etc.

Rubenzer was probably overlooked due to his size and the system he plays in.
Looking at his stats and the competition against which the stats were compiled, I think the kid can play. Looking forward to seeing how he does for Cal.

Tweet: Luke Rubenzer's state record 61st TD pass of the season gives Saguaro a 47-25 lead in the D-III title game over Queen Creek with 8:46 left.

Tweet: Luke Rubenzer, playing safety, intercepts pass in final quarter. Great football player.

UPDATE:
"Rubenzer finished the game 19 of 28 for 246 yards and three TDs, and rushed for 81 yards and a score."