its dykes fault and buh must go

OaktownBear;842251576 said:

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Guys, I'm sorry but mediocre does not mean whatever I'm personally satisfied with. It has a definition. Here are a couple:

Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary

of only moderate quality; not very good


It does not mean really, really sucks. 3-9 is not mediocre. Northwestern was not mediocre, going 1-7 in conference, winning its' last game by 3 against another 1-7 team. Those are bad teams.

Likewise, 9-4 and 6-3 in conference is not worse than mediocre. Neither is 8-5, 5-4. I'd say 7-6 and 4-5 is decidedly mediocre.

As for this concept of downward trend, I'm sorry, you can't just draw a line between one season and another and then follow its' path. What happened this year is not somehow the natural result of where Tedford was heading.

Opinion, certainly, but I don't believe for a second that there was any possibility that Tedford and his staff would have put this product on the field. Whatever you want to think about Tedford vs. Dykes at the top, we flat out downgraded at every coaching position underneath head coach with the possible exception of OC. No way Tedford's staff puts out guys that are that bad in basic fundamentals.

I do not think some of you understand how bad everything has to be to put out that season. That was a breakdown in every facet. Basic fundamentals easily get us by Colorado and Northwestern and at least keep us in games like WSU. It took a complete cluster**** by the coaching staff to do what they did this year.

No one could have done worse. That is easy to say because it is almost impossible to do worse.

Tedford was done. It was time to move on. He changed the equation here. He raised the expectations. Guys did not come here to win 5-7 games a year. They came here because they thought we could win a conference championship. At the end, they no longer believed he could do that and he couldn't keep them motivated to win 5-6 games when that was all that was left. With a terrible back up QB pressed into service, the best player on the team out with injury, and everybody expecting the coach to get fired, they packed it in. That is what happens when a coach comes to the end of his run. The OSU game was not the normal state for this team. People have got to stop acting like it excuses anything Sonny does. It took 11 years for the players to give up on Tedford like that. It took about 5 quarters for them to play like that under Sonny.

The point is, we needed to hire somebody BETTER THAN TEDFORD. Players gave up on Holmoe, and we saw improvement the next year. Players gave up on Gilby and we saw improvement the next year. Players gave up on Kapp and we saw improvement the next year. Players gave up on Theder and we saw improvement the next year. New coaches in this situation should show something.

Frankly, it is obvious from the dazed and confused look on Dykes face all year that even he is stunned at his level of failure. Tedford certainly is the reason we did compete for a conference title this year. He is probably the reason we couldn't finish in the top half of the conference. But he is not the reason for going 0 for FBS. No way. No how. That is on Sonny.

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Jesus, I wish I could write as well as you do. I agree with everything you wrote. The really bad part of all this is that Sandy is not going to pull a quick trigger on Sonny unless he's found with a dead hooker in his trunk or something. She has to know that this stinker is all on her. Like Kurt Russell said in the movie Backdraft to one of his fireman buddies hanging onto his hand over a blazing fire, "You go we go." That line applies directly to Sandy and Sonny.

cccbear04;842251587 said:

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Could dazed looks be caused by how incompetent the players really were?

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1. You guys can't hid from Dykes quote on the sidelines that got cut from the Drive. We have good players. Why are we so bad. That isn't B.S. car salesman Dykes talking to alums or to the press. That is real Dykes talking to his coach on the sidelines in the heat of a game. He disagrees with you guys. He thinks we have good players.

2. You are right, though, and the funny thing is you don't see what an indictment that is. Competent coaches do not put incompetent players on the field. They may put bad players on the field. But any coach worth anything who has a whole spring camp, and a whole fall camp are not putting out incompetent players. They do not put out defensive players who have no tackling fundamentals. They do not put out quarterbacks that can't grip the ball. They do not put out runningbacks that all fumble constantly. They do not put out special teams units that don't keep their lane assignments. They do not put out wide receivers who can't block a lick. Because those are all correctable. Maybe a linebacker will be too small. Or too slow. But he will square up, make a tackle and wrap. Maybe he'll get run over, or run passed, or run around, but he will be fundamentally sound in doing it.

All the same things were said about Holmoe's players. We needed to clean house. People wanted Boller gone. Locker room was toxic. They were quitters. Now people say that Tedford inherited talent from Holmoe. If Dykes had followed Holmoe, people would still be bad mouthing those guys because they would have continued to suck.

These players are not bad seeds. Dykes is the coach. He needs to find the positive in every guy. I remember a receiver who supposedly had a bad attitude and a bad temper. That became clear when he missed a season to injury when he punched his fist through a window after a loss. Yet under Tedford he became a star and a stand up guy. Tedford did not "clean house" when he came in. He got them to buy in. Dykes is Gilby all over again squandering guys he didn't recruit because he isn't enough of a leader to reach them. I'm sick of people dumping on our players to support a guy who has shown nothing. Sorry, he doesn't get years to recruit all his own players because he doesn't know how to use the guys he has.

OaktownBear;842251679 said:

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1. You guys can't hid from Dykes quote on the sidelines that got cut from the Drive. We have good players. Why are we so bad. That isn't B.S. car salesman Dykes talking to alums or to the press. That is real Dykes talking to his coach on the sidelines in the heat of a game. He disagrees with you guys. He thinks we have good players.

2. You are right, though, and the funny thing is you don't see what an indictment that is. Competent coaches do not put incompetent players on the field. They may put bad players on the field. But any coach worth anything who has a whole spring camp, and a whole fall camp are not putting out incompetent players. They do not put out defensive players who have no tackling fundamentals. They do not put out quarterbacks that can't grip the ball. They do not put out runningbacks that all fumble constantly. They do not put out special teams units that don't keep their lane assignments. They do not put out wide receivers who can't block a lick. Because those are all correctable. Maybe a linebacker will be too small. Or too slow. But he will square up, make a tackle and wrap. Maybe he'll get run over, or run passed, or run around, but he will be fundamentally sound in doing it.

All the same things were said about Holmoe's players. We needed to clean house. People wanted Boller gone. Locker room was toxic. They were quitters. Now people say that Tedford inherited talent from Holmoe. If Dykes had followed Holmoe, people would still be bad mouthing those guys because they would have continued to suck.

These players are not bad seeds. Dykes is the coach. He needs to find the positive in every guy. I remember a receiver who supposedly had a bad attitude and a bad temper. That became clear when he missed a season to injury when he punched his fist through a window after a loss. Yet under Tedford he became a star and a stand up guy. Tedford did not "clean house" when he came in. He got them to buy in. Dykes is Gilby all over again squandering guys he didn't recruit because he isn't enough of a leader to reach them. I'm sick of people dumping on our players to support a guy who has shown nothing. Sorry, he doesn't get years to recruit all his own players because he doesn't know how to use the guys he has.

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Yes, Yes... YES!!!

HungryCalBear;842251489 said:

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Good to know but not sure if we can trust anything this coaching staff is saying anymore.

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Say what you will about Dykes but Buh seems to be a fairly straight-shooter.

RealDrew2;842251546 said:

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So improving our APR did nothing for Sonny.

and you are assuming no other coach could have done the same things he did. And what exactly did he do to improve APR- that was not already being done by changes implemented by prior regime and AD previous year.

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Thank you!

oaktownbear;842251576 said:

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guys, i'm sorry but mediocre does not mean whatever i'm personally satisfied with. It has a definition. Here are a couple:

Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary

of only moderate quality; not very good


it does not mean really, really sucks. 3-9 is not mediocre. Northwestern was not mediocre, going 1-7 in conference, winning its' last game by 3 against another 1-7 team. Those are bad teams.

Likewise, 9-4 and 6-3 in conference is not worse than mediocre. Neither is 8-5, 5-4. I'd say 7-6 and 4-5 is decidedly mediocre.

As for this concept of downward trend, i'm sorry, you can't just draw a line between one season and another and then follow its' path. What happened this year is not somehow the natural result of where tedford was heading.

Opinion, certainly, but i don't believe for a second that there was any possibility that tedford and his staff would have put this product on the field. Whatever you want to think about tedford vs. Dykes at the top, we flat out downgraded at every coaching position underneath head coach with the possible exception of oc. No way tedford's staff puts out guys that are that bad in basic fundamentals.

I do not think some of you understand how bad everything has to be to put out that season. That was a breakdown in every facet. Basic fundamentals easily get us by colorado and northwestern and at least keep us in games like wsu. It took a complete cluster**** by the coaching staff to do what they did this year.

No one could have done worse. That is easy to say because it is almost impossible to do worse.

Tedford was done. It was time to move on. He changed the equation here. He raised the expectations. Guys did not come here to win 5-7 games a year. They came here because they thought we could win a conference championship. At the end, they no longer believed he could do that and he couldn't keep them motivated to win 5-6 games when that was all that was left. With a terrible back up qb pressed into service, the best player on the team out with injury, and everybody expecting the coach to get fired, they packed it in. That is what happens when a coach comes to the end of his run. The osu game was not the normal state for this team. People have got to stop acting like it excuses anything sonny does. It took 11 years for the players to give up on tedford like that. It took about 5 quarters for them to play like that under sonny.

The point is, we needed to hire somebody better than tedford. Players gave up on holmoe, and we saw improvement the next year. Players gave up on gilby and we saw improvement the next year. Players gave up on kapp and we saw improvement the next year. Players gave up on theder and we saw improvement the next year. New coaches in this situation should show something.

Frankly, it is obvious from the dazed and confused look on dykes face all year that even he is stunned at his level of failure. Tedford certainly is the reason we did compete for a conference title this year. He is probably the reason we couldn't finish in the top half of the conference. But he is not the reason for going 0 for fbs. No way. No how. That is on sonny.

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+1000

realdrew2;842251546 said:

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so improving our apr did nothing for sonny.

And you are assuming no other coach could have done the same things he did. And what exactly did he do to improve apr- that was not already being done by changes implemented by prior regime and ad previous year.

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+1001

HaasBear04;842251470 said:

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2012 wasn't "mediocre"

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I was trying to be kind. 3-9 is pretty bad. Ugly even.

Darn you Sonny! It is all your fault!

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Add Barbour and I completely agree!

The glaring problem Sonny faced was an APR so bad we were about to face NCAA sanctions.

Players no longer went to class or cared about graduating: a Tedford legacy.

He laid down the law on being a student athlete—that some players are leaving and that there was dissension given the new culture is not surprising.

cccbear04;842251552 said:

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I saw no assumption another coach couldn't have done the same thing with the apr. The level of vitriol and hatred towards sonny is far beyond reasonable. The locker room was much more toxic than anyone was led to believe. Losing sucks but to say Dykes came in and screwed everything up haven't been paying attention since 2007. There were a lot of factors in our bad season but to ignore the injuries and the intensity of the schedule and blame everything on a first year coach with all young players, is well... Silly

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I was just having this conversation last night with my ticket partner over beers. I agree 100%. New coaching staff, new systems, tough schedule, and injuries. Losing season translates into poor recruiting classes. I don't think Saban or Lombardi could have had 3 wins in '13.

Dykes job has become harder the past few weeks with the news of #2QB Kline transferring, Ragin, and the NFL Draft entries. And ALL of the nastiness on these boards & comments do not help. If you dont think recruits read the boards of their potential school you are wrong.