On twitter. Per Okstate Insider:

"@CowboysportsIN: Cal linebacker Chad Whitener will reportedly transfer to #OkState and enroll for the spring semester. He was rated as a 3* prospect in 2013."

How many LBers do we have left? Seems like Whitener followed Ragin's lead and decided to leave.

Cue up the "getting rid of Tedford's cancer on the team" excuses... nevermind we're talking about true freshman.

Supposedly he's going to walk on at Oklahoma State. Interesting, if true.

Don't need the Tedford excuse this time. Entirely possible Chad just didn't like being this far away from home and wanted to be a bit closer to his family. Nothing wrong with that.

That's it. Fire Dykes! He was supposed to make him not homesick!

Man, I thought I had the reason here but neither Ok St. or Oregon are on this list:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/nataliemorin/insane-college-parties-that-will-make-you-want-to-transfe

turkey02;842252464 said:

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Don't need the Tedford excuse this time. Entirely possible Chad just didn't like being this far away from home and wanted to be a bit closer to his family. Nothing wrong with that.

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Do you have a source or link?

freshfunk;842252470 said:

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Do you have a source or link?

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A relative of a player on reddit

freshfunk;842252470 said:

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Do you have a source or link?

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Do you have a source or link supporting the scenario in which he dislikes the staff (which is that your OP suggests)?

freshfunk;842252470 said:

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Do you have a source or link?

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Nope, 100% speculation. I believe I phrased it that way, if not I'll be sure to improve upon that with future posting.

Playing on a 1-11 team will make you homesick.

Seriously - best of luck to Chad. It's unfortunate to see him leave. I hope he does well on and off the field at Ok State. I think they will find him to be a good addition to their team.

Is there a comprehensive list anywhere that lists out all the attrition thus far, whether due to transferring or declaring for the draft?

taxbear;842252463 said:

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Supposedly he's going to walk on at Oklahoma State. Interesting, if true.

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I was curious if OKST recruited him so I check databases, but I didn't see an offer from them to him when he was being recruited. If that's accurate, I don't see why they would give him a scholarship after playing at Cal, right? So I think he'll walk on, too.

kjl80;842252477 said:

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Is there a comprehensive list anywhere that lists out all the attrition thus far, whether due to transferring or declaring for the draft?

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Let's get one started. This is from memory so fix it if it wrong and add to it if it is incomplete:

Kline
Rodgers
Bigelow
Jackson
Ragin
Whitener
Tagaloa
Fortt ???
Coprich ???

chazzed;842252473 said:

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Do you have a source or link supporting the scenario in which he dislikes the staff (which is that your OP suggests)?

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Not him specifically but it was posted here (by someone else) that the defense was, generally speaking, not happy with the coaches:

http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=842215964#post842215964

The number of other players leaving (transfers, premature attempts at nfl) seem to indicate that there might be truth to it.

I haven't heard of a rash of players getting home sick.

tequila4kapp;842252481 said:

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Let's get one started. This is from memory so fix it if it wrong and add to it if it is incomplete:

Kline
Rodgers
Bigelow
Jackson
Ragin
Whitener
Tagaloa
Fortt ???
Coprich ???

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No news on Fortt or Bigelow and Hodges instead of Coprich.

tequila4kapp;842252481 said:

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Let's get one started. This is from memory so fix it if it wrong and add to it if it is incomplete:

Kline
Rodgers
Bigelow
Jackson
Ragin
Whitener
Tagaloa
Fortt ???
Coprich ???

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Hodges.

I didn't hear about Coprich.

chazzed;842252473 said:

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Do you have a source or link supporting the scenario in which he dislikes the staff (which is that your OP suggests)?

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The problem is a forest for the trees issue. Same thing happened when people debated whether issues were Holmoe's "fault". With every guy who leaves you can provide plausible speculation why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every mistake that happens on the field you can povide plausible speculation as to why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every negative occurrence you can speculate as to why it was bad luck or had nothing to do with the coaches. Ultimately, though, the number of misfortunes reach a point where the chances of all of these plausible speculations being correct vs. at least a lot of it being the fault of the coaches is vanishingly slim. It is up to each individual to decide when they believe the misfortunes have mounted to that point. I'd just say my opinion is that this type of analysis is spending way too much time looking at trees.

And 1-11 is an awful big forest.

tequila4kapp;842252481 said:

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Let's get one started. This is from memory so fix it if it wrong and add to it if it is incomplete:

Kline
Rodgers
Bigelow
Jackson
Ragin
Whitener
Tagaloa
Fortt ???
Coprich ???

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Should the list include guys who left or were dismissed prior to the end of the season (e.g. McCain, Wilkerson.... not sure who else). And have Bigelow and Fortt officially declared for the draft? Last I heard they were getting feedback...

kjl80;842252501 said:

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Should the list include guys who left or were dismissed prior to the end of the season (e.g. McCain, Wilkerson.... not sure who else). And have Bigelow and Fortt officially declared for the draft? Last I heard they were getting feedback...

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Yup. It speaks volumes when guys quit in the middle of the season. Add Logan to the list as well

OaktownBear;842252490 said:

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The problem is a forest for the trees issue. Same thing happened when people debated whether issues were Holmoe's "fault". With every guy who leaves you can provide plausible speculation why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every mistake that happens on the field you can povide plausible speculation as to why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every negative occurrence you can speculate as to why it was bad luck or had nothing to do with the coaches. Ultimately, though, the number of misfortunes reach a point where the chances of all of these plausible speculations being correct vs. at least a lot of it being the fault of the coaches is vanishingly slim. It is up to each individual to decide when they believe the misfortunes have mounted to that point. I'd just say my opinion is that this type of analysis is spending way too much time looking at trees.

And 1-11 is an awful big forest.

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Indeed it is. Until more comes out from this young man (and others), you and the OP may assume the worst. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach so as not to prematurely condemn the staff. Then, of course, there's the whole point of not making myself miserable.

chazzed;842252519 said:

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Indeed it is. Until more comes out from this young man (and others), you and the OP may assume the worst. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach so as not to prematurely condemn the staff. Then, of course, there's the whole point of not making myself miserable.

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What is it that you are waiting to see? Obviously another subtraction won't deter your conception.

GranadaHillsBear;842252513 said:

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Yup. It speaks volumes when guys quit in the middle of the season. Add Logan to the list as well

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Gabe King and Logan are the two mid-season retirements.

Logan had chronic injuries and King never fully found that passion for football while he was here under both Tedford and Dykes.

I don't see a 'volume of speaking' with these two mid-season examples.

I wonder what the average attrition rate is around college football with players quitting, retiring, transferring, declaring

I'm not trying to minimize what is happening here, I'm just curious with the brutal game that football is and this time in people's lives where they are making tough decisions at a young age.

OaktownBear;842252490 said:

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The problem is a forest for the trees issue. Same thing happened when people debated whether issues were Holmoe's "fault". With every guy who leaves you can provide plausible speculation why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every mistake that happens on the field you can povide plausible speculation as to why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every negative occurrence you can speculate as to why it was bad luck or had nothing to do with the coaches. Ultimately, though, the number of misfortunes reach a point where the chances of all of these plausible speculations being correct vs. at least a lot of it being the fault of the coaches is vanishingly slim. It is up to each individual to decide when they believe the misfortunes have mounted to that point. I'd just say my opinion is that this type of analysis is spending way too much time looking at trees.

And 1-11 is an awful big forest.

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Yes.

Good luck to Whitener. I'd be surprised if he really gave up a schollie at Cal to walk-on at Ok St., but I guess we will see.

89Bear;842252561 said:

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I wonder what the average attrition rate is around college football with players quitting, retiring, transferring, declaring

I'm not trying to minimize what is happening here, I'm just curious with the brutal game that football is and this time in people's lives where they are making tough decisions at a young age.

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I'd be curious as well. I'd also be curious to see how many transferred after Tedford's first year. Not trying to compare, but it's just interesting to see.

I count 8 returnees IF: Fortt returns and Forbes is able to get on the field with just 1 commit (Atoe). Maybe Jason Gibson goes back to LB or Drew can be converted. Unfortunately, we're also short of DBs.

59bear;842252613 said:

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I count 8 returnees IF: Fortt returns and Forbes is able to get on the field with just 1 commit (Atoe). Maybe Jason Gibson goes back to LB or Drew can be converted. Unfortunately, we're also short of DBs.

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Downs could potentially play OLB.

Ace4eVer;842252571 said:

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Good luck to Whitener. I'd be surprised if he really gave up a schollie at Cal to walk-on at Ok St., but I guess we will see.

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The Cowboy forum seems to also think walk-on...

To be close to home? I read that some earlier... At 9 hours round-trip via car, not exactly a drive you want to take every weekend to get some home cookin' and do the laundry.

In my years following Cal football, I don't recall anything like this exodus. Sure a couple or so players is not uncommon, but they were often guys whose names were not all that well known, down or dropping further on the depth chart. As I recall, the travesty at Penn State made for 15 football defections, with a few staying at PSU, just not playing football, so 12 actually transferring or leaving the school. For reference...

chazzed;842252519 said:

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Indeed it is. Until more comes out from this young man (and others), you and the OP may assume the worst. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach so as not to prematurely condemn the staff. Then, of course, there's the whole point of not making myself miserable.

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I'm sorry, but it appear you missed the point. Why Whitener made his decision has little bearing on the overall question.

OaktownBear;842252490 said:

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The problem is a forest for the trees issue. Same thing happened when people debated whether issues were Holmoe's "fault". With every guy who leaves you can provide plausible speculation why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every mistake that happens on the field you can povide plausible speculation as to why it had nothing to do with the coaches. With every negative occurrence you can speculate as to why it was bad luck or had nothing to do with the coaches. Ultimately, though, the number of misfortunes reach a point where the chances of all of these plausible speculations being correct vs. at least a lot of it being the fault of the coaches is vanishingly slim. It is up to each individual to decide when they believe the misfortunes have mounted to that point. I'd just say my opinion is that this type of analysis is spending way too much time looking at trees.

And 1-11 is an awful big forest.

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Why do we have to base our opinions of people on statistical probabilities when we have quotes from the coaches, decisions on the field and other direct evidence to outrage or placate us?

I have learned from being a public servant never to make assumptions about people without first knowing a great deal.

The fact that the SD/SB regime is more committed to their coaches than the players tells me all I need to know about why this stuff is happening.

Having said that, the only losses that really mean anything for the 2014 Cal team are Ragin, Rodgers and Jackson. Everyone else, including Tags. can adequately be replaced and/or upgraded.

Thanks. The fact that OK State apparently isn't bringing him in as a scholarship player isn't surprising in light of the prior history. Whitener's move is still interesting, no?

heartofthebear;842252692 said:

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Why do we have to base our opinions of people on statistical probabilities when we have quotes from the coaches, decisions on the field and other direct evidence to outrage or placate us?

I have learned from being a public servant never to make assumptions about people without first knowing a great deal.

The fact that the SD/SB regime is more committed to their coaches than the players tells me all I need to know about why this stuff is happening.

Having said that, the only losses that really mean anything for the 2014 Cal team are Ragin, Rodgers and Jackson. Everyone else, including Tags. can adequately be replaced and/or upgraded.

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Always follow the money.

It would not be surprising if HC Gundy gets poached after the Cotton Bowl. Plenty of such talk going-around...

Leaving the Bay Area, the Cal degree, to walk-on in Stillwater?

Any of you old enough to remember the Amityville Horror movie? The "Get Out" scene seems to apply here.

Cal89;842253108 said:

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It would not be surprising if HC Gundy gets poached after the Cotton Bowl. Plenty of such talk going-around...

Leaving the Bay Area, the Cal degree, to walk-on in Stillwater?

Any of you old enough to remember the Amityville Horror movie? The "Get Out" scene seems to apply here.

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Being a native Oklahoman, I can say that this move makes more sense than many give credit. OsU has a great atmosphere for football, the degree is never as important as we make it out to be, and there is a decent chance he will see regular game action. Big12 defenses suck.