"I put my team on my back..."

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Rushinbear
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The arrogance is getting worse and worse. Winston, after the game, "I put my team on my back and carried them to victory." Or, something very close to that. And, this kid is still just a FR? I feel sorry for Jimbo. He might as well hand over the reigns now and save himself the struggle. Just collect his pay until the roof caves in and then move on.

Are we any closer to a true minor leagues in pro football? Between the arrogance and the ignorance, I'm getting close to having seen enough. I guess the money will rule until something cataclysmic happens and it would have to be widespread bad, not just cheating by a few schools each year.
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Bravo to you for understanding what he was saying. That dude's grammar is so poor it makes you wonder what they are teaching over at FSU.
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Rushinbear;842256656 said:

The arrogance is getting worse and worse. Winston, after the game, "I put my team on my back and carried them to victory." Or, something very close to that. And, this kid is still just a FR? I feel sorry for Jimbo. He might as well hand over the reigns now and save himself the struggle. Just collect his pay until the roof caves in and then move on.

Are we any closer to a true minor leagues in pro football? Between the arrogance and the ignorance, I'm getting close to having seen enough. I guess the money will rule until something cataclysmic happens and it would have to be widespread bad, not just cheating by a few schools each year.


But did you see what he did?
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The thing that always bugs me is when athletes start claiming that "God" was the one who gave them the victory . . . because obviously God really cares about the outcome of a football game.

I know a lot of them do it, not just Winston, but he pressed the point pretty hard in his interview, and I was like, "Enough already!"
GB54
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Do we really have to parse the words of a 21 year old jock as being indicative of anything but his own rarefied place in the world?

The kid can ball.
BearBorn11
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Yet he was admitted to Stanford...

Good to know the Farm is the beacon of genius athletes and hasn't changed their policies....
82gradDLSdad
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Well, I just watched the post game on-field interview and it didn't seem as bad as what I've heard people say and write. And I was ready to rip the kid given his alleged off-field troubles (I know, not very fair of me). I tend to give QBs a break after I read that one of the reasons the 49ers didn't draft AR was because they thought he was too cocky. I can only imagine a QB has to walk a very, very fine line of being supremely confident but not so cocky that he alienates everyone around him. Winston didn't seem so bad in the interview I saw. Grammar-wise....uh...another story and another topic.
TomBear
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Look, he's a quarterback. Quarterbacks are supposed to put the team on their shoulders. He did just that, and simply expressed what we all saw.

As for his verbal presentation, is he really a whole lot worse than many of the athletes we see coming out of the colleges and high schools these days? Frankly I'm disgusted with the lack of command of the English language I see just as you seem to be. It's bad enough to hear it coming from the high schools, but even worse to hear how some of the people we graduate from college speak. I blame the colleges for allowing it to happen. But don't single out Jameis. He's just one of many. In the last few weeks, after many of the bowl and NFL playoff games, we've heard plenty of interviews with some of these athletes that shows how far downhill speaking abilities have gone.

I thought he played very well, especially when he had to. With the exception of the very early part of the first quarter, he started off rather stiff. As the game progressed, he progressed with it. He was clutch in that last drive, and showed good leadership when the cameras showed him on the sidelines. And it's clear the team responds. He went through a major amount of adversity during the season and still performed to an exceptionally high degree. I know football isn't the "be all, end all", but at least from what I have seen and heard, the young man showed some pretty good character given the circumstances. He's not perfect, but neither am I. And he's a young man who has, perhaps, a good future if he can take what's happened and build something positive with it. I'm rooting for him.
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BearBorn11;842256677 said:

Yet he was admitted to Stanford...

Good to know the Farm is the beacon of genius athletes and hasn't changed their policies....


Old Union let him in because of his achievements in the classroom.

ykes
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GB54;842256673 said:

Do we really have to parse the words of a 21 year old jock as being indicative of anything but his own rarefied place in the world?

The kid can ball.



Yesterday was his 20th birthday.
Cal_Fan2
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sycasey;842256672 said:

The thing that always bugs me is when athletes start claiming that "God" was the one who gave them the victory . . . because obviously God really cares about the outcome of a football game.

I know a lot of them do it, not just Winston, but he pressed the point pretty hard in his interview, and I was like, "Enough already!"


LOL....guess it depends on who is saying it. Some guys feel they get strength from God etc...some guys say it because they think it sounds good. You must really hate Colin Kaepernick, he not only says it, he wears it....LOL...j/k sycasey...

Quote:

Kaepernick, 25, shared that his first tattoo was Psalm 18:39, set on a scroll on his right shoulder. The Bible verse reads: "You armed me with strength for battle; you made my adversaries bow at my feet."

"Basically, it's saying the Lord is giving me all the tools to be successful, I just have to go out and do my part to uphold that," he explained earlier this year.



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sycasey;842256672 said:

The thing that always bugs me is when athletes start claiming that "God" was the one who gave them the victory . . . because obviously God really cares about the outcome of a football game.

I know a lot of them do it, not just Winston, but he pressed the point pretty hard in his interview, and I was like, "Enough already!"


I was thinking the same thing last night and actually for years. when they bring up God, i think, yea, he wanted you to win for sure. You can thank him for giving you the ability, but c'mon
YuSeeBerkeley
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/aj-mccarrons-mom-apologizes-for-tweet-deriding-jameis-winston/

Apparently, it's racist to point out poor grammar. I think the reaction to Mccarron's mom is more racist than the initial, benign Tweet. You're supposed to excuse poor grammar because of someone's race?
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YuSeeBerkeley;842256689 said:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/aj-mccarrons-mom-apologizes-for-tweet-deriding-jameis-winston/

Apparently, it's racist to point out poor grammar. I think the reaction to Mccarron's mom is more racist than the initial, benign Tweet. You're supposed to excuse poor grammar because of someone's race?


Is it now popular to use the term "haters" to describe critics who may not pick you to win the national championship?

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We champions," Winston said. "We can share that. We are champions together. And through everything that we went through. Through all the haters. Through every single thing, we came our victorious. God did this. I'm so blessed. He's so blessed. All the stuff that he handled with Ethan (Fisher, the coach's son) and he come out here and coach us? That touched me. And it's nobody but God. It's nobody."


By the way, did Winston just point out a violation by FSU by having Ethan Fisher being used as a "coach'?
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Rushinbear;842256656 said:

The arrogance is getting worse and worse. Winston, after the game, "I put my team on my back and carried them to victory." Or, something very close to that. And, this kid is still just a FR? I feel sorry for Jimbo. He might as well hand over the reigns now and save himself the struggle. Just collect his pay until the roof caves in and then move on.

Are we any closer to a true minor leagues in pro football? Between the arrogance and the ignorance, I'm getting close to having seen enough. I guess the money will rule until something cataclysmic happens and it would have to be widespread bad, not just cheating by a few schools each year.


this reeks of jealousy. the guy started off cold and paralyzed in front of a great Auburn defense and then ended up engineering a 1 min. 80yd TD drive from behind.

quit b*tching about Winston's post-game speech when he was overcome with emotion. I don't feel sorry for Jimbo; I feel sorry for you. you want to moan about arrogance and money, you can start with Manziel's money dance. Or you can retread Cam Newton.

I didn't really understand what Winston was saying either, but he can say whatever he wants. RING HIM.
GB54
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YuSeeBerkeley;842256689 said:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/aj-mccarrons-mom-apologizes-for-tweet-deriding-jameis-winston/

Apparently, it's racist to point out poor grammar. I think the reaction to Mccarron's mom is more racist than the initial, benign Tweet. You're supposed to excuse poor grammar because of someone's race?


Maybe more a reaction to a bitter mother of a more unworthy quarterback
FrankBear21
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I don't think that is how he meant it, but it is what he said.
Rushinbear
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TomBear;842256679 said:

He went through a major amount of adversity during the season and still performed to an exceptionally high degree. I know football isn't the "be all, end all", but at least from what I have seen and heard, the young man showed some pretty good character given the circumstances. He's not perfect, but neither am I.


No, he brought a major amount of adversity upon himself. And, even more upon the girl, even though the State's Atty declined to prosecute.

He showed good competition character in playing harder in the second half and, rather than wilting, came through at the end. The other elements of his character remain to be seen. I expect we have not seen the last of him in that regard, but that would be considered speculative at best, by some.

As to his articulation, I had no comment on that - it was no worse than hundreds of athletes these days. Hence my reference to ignorance. How many observers can honestly believe that the vast majority of the players on top D1 teams are capable of true college-level scholarship (yeah, I know all the equivocating arguments)?

Winston is a great college FB player and will get even better. He belongs in a minor league system, but there isn't one... yet. Does anyone think he would have chosen FSU had he been offered a six figure minor league contract, instead, with the freedom to be a full time prospect and be rewarded when he was ready to advance? There would still be plenty of good players with honest academic ability and interest to populate the college ranks.
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Cal_Fan2;842256686 said:

LOL....guess it depends on who is saying it. Some guys feel they get strength from God etc...some guys say it because they think it sounds good. You must really hate Colin Kaepernick, he not only says it, he wears it....LOL...j/k sycasey...


Well, there's a difference between thanking God for the gifts he's bestowed upon you and claiming that he was responsible for winning a football game. The former doesn't bother me much, but I think Winston went beyond that in his interview.

I should also say here that obviously none of this has to do with their abilities as players. Obviously Winston played brilliantly on that last drive to lead FSU to the win last night. But sometimes when you stick a microphone in front of these guys, you realize that they aren't good at everything.
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TomBear;842256679 said:

Look, he's a quarterback. Quarterbacks are supposed to put the team on their shoulders. He did just that, and simply expressed what we all saw.

As for his verbal presentation, is he really a whole lot worse than many of the athletes we see coming out of the colleges and high schools these days? Frankly I'm disgusted with the lack of command of the English language I see just as you seem to be. It's bad enough to hear it coming from the high schools, but even worse to hear how some of the people we graduate from college speak. I blame the colleges for allowing it to happen. But don't single out Jameis. He's just one of many. In the last few weeks, after many of the bowl and NFL playoff games, we've heard plenty of interviews with some of these athletes that shows how far downhill speaking abilities have gone.

I thought he played very well, especially when he had to. With the exception of the very early part of the first quarter, he started off rather stiff. As the game progressed, he progressed with it. He was clutch in that last drive, and showed good leadership when the cameras showed him on the sidelines. And it's clear the team responds. He went through a major amount of adversity during the season and still performed to an exceptionally high degree. I know football isn't the "be all, end all", but at least from what I have seen and heard, the young man showed some pretty good character given the circumstances. He's not perfect, but neither am I. And he's a young man who has, perhaps, a good future if he can take what's happened and build something positive with it. I'm rooting for him.


I understand what you are saying but I agree with the prior poster's criticism of the "It was all me" attitude.
I loved "Any given Sunday" and what happened to the QB in that movie when the OLine decided to teach him a lesson for taking all the glory for a particular win. The OLine decided not to block and the results were that he wound up like the Cal QB this past season - on his back.
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YuSeeBerkeley;842256689 said:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/aj-mccarrons-mom-apologizes-for-tweet-deriding-jameis-winston/

Apparently, it's racist to point out poor grammar. I think the reaction to Mccarron's mom is more racist than the initial, benign Tweet. You're supposed to excuse poor grammar because of someone's race?


Yes and no. Here are the facts: Language is always changing. This is true of educated English (i.e. its development from Shakespeare to a Cal classroom), and it's true of every other variety of every language that's ever existed. Different speech varieties exist precisely because language is always changing. When speakers of the same language spread out either socially or geographically, the language changes in different ways in those dispersed groups. Key point: Language isn't getting "worse." English (rather, it's ancestor) has been changing since humans learned to speak, and it has never degraded or become incomprehensible despite the fact that organized education has only recently come into existence. It just produced different varieties, all equally good as tools for communication within a specific group.

Standard English has no objective priority over any other variety of English. It started as the version of English that happened to be spoken in London when people decided that there should be a standard, but there have been dialects of English for as long as English has been written down. Some features associated with African American Vernacular English, for example, are just very old regionalisms FROM ENGLAND. So, the variants "ask" and "aks" have existed as long as English has. Many linguistic features came to America not through "mistakes" made by black people, but from English speakers from different parts of England. African Americans learned the language from someone, after all.

Here's where racism comes in: No one speaks standard English. Every spoken variety is "wrong" in a lot of ways. When someone says "That's the man who I see," 95% of the population doesn't bat an eye, because this is a "mistake" made by a specific group of people, so it's OK. We write that off as "Yeah, but EVERYONE says that," when we really mean "Yeah, but MY social group says that." We aren't so forgiving when other groups do things that are different but no worse. Furthermore, we are willing to accept some varieties (i.e. Irish English) as being quaint, and "just the way they speak," but we aren't willing to grant that license to people from the inner city. There's no objective reason for making this distinction. Linguistic prejudice just maps onto and illuminates social prejudice. That's not to say that people who dislike the features of AAVE are racist. Rather, society has been racist for a long, long time, and the rules of what is and is not acceptable linguistically were shaped by that process. Linguistic purists might not be racist, but their linguistic attitudes are shaped by a racist past. These attitudes are still clearly used to justify prejudice against specific groups of people, even if we can mitigate it by saying "I'd hate it just as much if white people talked that way!"
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Hatters gon hat. The kid played like a warrior and led his team to victory in a hard fought battle. No, he isn't an elite educated student but neither are most of college athletes (or most of society).

And why hat on his faith? If he believes it, then that's his right.
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sycasey;842256719 said:

Well, there's a difference between thanking God for the gifts he's bestowed upon you and claiming that he was responsible for winning a football game. The former doesn't bother me much, but I think Winston went beyond that in his interview.

I should also say here that obviously none of this has to do with their abilities as players. Obviously Winston played brilliantly on that last drive to lead FSU to the win last night. But sometimes when you stick a microphone in front of these guys, you realize that they aren't good at everything.


Of course, had he taken the opportunity to come out of the closet or express support for gay marriage, he'd be widely hailed a hero on this board. People need to get over themselves. I chuckled at his postgame interview, but it was because of its style more than substance. I mainly just could not decipher what he was trying to express. Congrats to him, though. What an epic season. First freshman to ever win the Heisman and the national championship in the same season.
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freshfunk;842256737 said:

Hatters gon hat. The kid played like a warrior and led his team to victory in a hard fought battle. No, he isn't an elite educated student but neither are most of college athletes (or most of society).

And why hat on his faith? If he believes it, then that's his right.

+1.

People micro-analyze the behavior of a 20 year old during the most emotional moment of his life. Perhaps in 4 years he will start behaving more like a 24 year old. Cam Newton was far more arrogant and look at how far he has come. Teammates now go out of their way to laud Cams leadership and maturity.
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beeasyed;842256707 said:

this reeks of jealousy. the guy started off cold and paralyzed in front of a great Auburn defense and then ended up engineering a 1 min. 80yd TD drive from behind.

quit b*tching about Winston's post-game speech when he was overcome with emotion. I don't feel sorry for Jimbo; I feel sorry for you. you want to moan about arrogance and money, you can start with Manziel's money dance. Or you can retread Cam Newton.

I didn't really understand what Winston was saying either, but he can say whatever he wants. RING HIM.


I am happy to go back before Manziel, even. But, if you want to start there, that's fine. What he did was bad and he seems to be as bad a person (as Winston). Cam Newton, too (but I say that at the risk of ad hominem attacks).

I understood exactly what Winston was saying, "I make the whole team. Without me, they would lose." He could be right in the context of last night's game, but it would be bad enough to feel that way, let alone say it.

Don't feel sorry for me. I only moan about unearned arrogance and money and I am very comfortable doing so. Better than making excuses for people who don't deserve it.

PS Winston didn't look overcome with emotion to me. He looked very composed. I think he knew exactly what he was saying and it was consistent with how he felt.
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If you didn't think Winston looked overcome with emotion than you are truly awful at reading people as well as their body language.
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Linguistics major?
berk18
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Gizzly Bear;842256768 said:

Linguistics major?


Sort of.
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tim94501
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Kid just had one of the best seasons in the history of college football and we are worried about his interview. Smh
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sycasey;842256672 said:

The thing that always bugs me is when athletes start claiming that "God" was the one who gave them the victory . . . because obviously God really cares about the outcome of a football game.

I know a lot of them do it, not just Winston, but he pressed the point pretty hard in his interview, and I was like, "Enough already!"


It is interesting that it bugs you when athletes start claiming that God was the one that gave them the victory. Some people believe that God controls everything. That is their belief. Why does the fact that some people believe something different than you bug you?
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Too bad Cal hasn't had a QB with the balls to say or do such a thing. The guy is a freakin stud....this is a dumb thread.
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GoldenBearofCalifornia;842256792 said:

It is interesting that it bugs you when athletes start claiming that God was the one that gave them the victory. Some people believe that God controls everything. That is their belief. Why does the fact that some people believe something different than you bug you?


It just seems stupid to me. Not the idea of believing in God, but the idea that if there is a God he is out there deciding who wins football games. If that's the case, why even play the game? Why even take the interview? Obviously you had nothing to do with it. What about the other team? Did God just put them there in order to crush their dreams? (Well, in the case of Cal football that last one might actually be true.)

That's not to say I dislike any and all invocations of God in post-game conversation. Players from both teams getting together for a quick post-game prayer? No problem with that. Players thanking God for giving them the physical gifts to succeed in their sport? No problem with that either.

Players claiming God wanted them to win the game? Yeah, I've got a problem with that. I think Winston's comments are more along those lines, but I will grant that he just might have phrased things awkwardly in the heat of the moment.
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Holmoephobic;842256761 said:

+1.

People micro-analyze the behavior of a 20 year old during the most emotional moment of his life. Perhaps in 4 years he will start behaving more like a 24 year old. Cam Newton was far more arrogant and look at how far he has come. Teammates now go out of their way to laud Cams leadership and maturity.


+1 Many have criticized Marshawn Lynch as being unintelligent and they are dead wrong.
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GoldenBearofCalifornia;842256792 said:

It is interesting that it bugs you when athletes start claiming that God was the one that gave them the victory. Some people believe that God controls everything. That is their belief. Why does the fact that some people believe something different than you bug you?


Because God hates Cal.
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