slider643;842257683 said:

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I'm surprised that Sacks was fired and not Cachere. The DT position was the best group on defense IMO. DE's were terrible, no pass rush and never set the edge on outside runs.

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He recruited a couple of guys recently

StillNoStanfurdium;842257701 said:

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Chachere has worked with Dykes before.

What's even odder is that Chachere's background is coaching TE/ST/RB/WR/LB/DB and from what I can tell the first time he ever coached D-Line is here at Cal. Why in the world did we hire him for it?

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he's one of sonny's boys. That being said he just pulled some recruits? I'm pretty sure the recent DL signings are all on Chachere.

That being said, most likely whomever is brought on as DC will probably decide on his own to keep/lose Chachere. Buh, they probably gotta "eat" for duration of contract.

moonpod;842257704 said:

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he's one of sonny's boys. That being said he just pulled some recruits? I'm pretty sure the recent DL signings are all on Chachere.

That being said, most likely whomever is brought on as DC will probably decide on his own to keep/lose Chachere. Buh, they probably gotta "eat" for duration of contract.

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I know he worked with Sonny in 1998, but seriously, his first DLine coaching experience was now. He wasn't hired to do any of the coaching that he's previously done.

Rivals doesn't list the recruiter for most of our DL commits, but the one that is listed, 3-star JUCO Trevor Kelly, is listed as being a Sacks recruit.

Unit2Sucks;842257593 said:

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I wonder what Mike Silver thinks about all this. Okaydo - can you post some of his tweets? Maybe continually update this thread any time he makes a statement?

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F*ck off!!!

Stop being a trolling f*ckin' as*hole!

:rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh:

okaydo;842257725 said:

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F*ck off!!!

Stop being a trolling f*ckin' as*hole!

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Whoa!!!! Really? Shut the front door!

okaydo;842257725 said:

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F*ck off!!!

Stop being a trolling f*ckin' as*hole!

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You tell him Okaydo......:rollinglaugh:

okaydo;842257725 said:

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F*ck off!!!

Stop being a trolling f*ckin' as*hole!

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Don't sugar coat it - tell us how you really feel!

:beer:

Sorry if I offended you, just having some fun. When you have 14,000 posts a great number of which consist of off-topic tweets, misleading threads, etc. you should expect some ribbing from time to time.

Random q - how do you know how many posts you or someone else has? I use an android. Is it hidden on a smartphone?

oski003;842257783 said:

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Random q - how do you know how many posts you or someone else has? I use an android. Is it hidden on a smartphone?

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I keep track on an abacus.

I appreciate the content Okaydo shares from twitter. I'm on twitter dozens of times a day and often miss what he posts. He posts things from social media that is relevant and adds perspective.

SoCalBear323;842257795 said:

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I appreciate the content Okaydo shares from twitter. I'm on twitter dozens of times a day and often miss what he posts. He posts things from social media that is relevant and adds perspective.

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+1

Unit2Sucks;842257776 said:

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Don't sugar coat it - tell us how you really feel!

:beer:

Sorry if I offended you, just having some fun. When you have 14,000 posts a great number of which consist of off-topic tweets, misleading threads, etc. you should expect some ribbing from time to time.

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Having fun = being a trollling as*hole.

It's one thing to do it every once in a while, but you've been over-scrutinizing my posts, ready to pounce, for years with your standard "misleading" or "off-topic" complaints. I'm surprised you didn't mention The Bachelor.

Look: I don't mind people complaining about my threads, but you've done it so much -- for many, many years -- it's like trolling at this point.

It's like you get off on it.

Or perhaps you're trying to fill a psychological need from real-life.

I get it: You find my annoying.

I too find other posters annoying.

But you don't have to read my off-topic threads, especially when I vary rarely post actual off-topic threads (it's just your skewed perception).

You can scan all the threads I started at this link. Very rarely do I post something that's irrelevant to this board:
http://bearinsider.com/forums/search.php?searchid=604393


As for my misleading threads, well, if you say it enough times -- it must be true!!

I love Okaydo.

I admit that I don't keep track of coaches coming and going, especially if they are Cal-affiliated but I was a bit surprised to read that Buh was the co-DC at the Furd under Harbaugh for 2 years 07-09. What happened there? How did he then wind up as a linebacker coach at Wisconsin from being a DC? Apparently, he also was on the staff here before too. Any help on these historical details would be appreciated. Knowing these bits about his background makes me even more puzzled as to how poorly the D performed this year and at least suggests that SD wasn't just pulling rabbits out of a hat when he hired him.:axe

bluepod;842257826 said:

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I admit that I don't keep track of coaches coming and going, especially if they are Cal-affiliated but I was a bit surprised to read that Buh was the co-DC at the Furd under Harbaugh for 2 years 07-09. What happened there? How did he then wind up as a linebacker coach at Wisconsin from being a DC? Apparently, he also was on the staff here before too. Any help on these historical details would be appreciated. Knowing these bits about his background makes me even more puzzled as to how poorly the D performed this year and at least suggests that SD wasn't just pulling rabbits out of a hat when he hired him.:axe

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The talent of his players had a lot more to do with the results than his coaching.
What you see in practice is what you see in games. Not much.

movielover;842257410 said:

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Given the potential pension implications, I don't think Buh will walk away for frilly reasons. If I'm correct, he needs 3 years in the UC system to qualify for his pension, and at 3% per year (x 3 years) of his highest pay rate, that is approx. $50,000 per year in retirement. Nothing to sneeze at.

At about 42 years of age, that's a great retirement start, and gives him plenty of motivation to excel the next 2 years.

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This fool needs to be fired asap then. It just turns my stomach to think that he would collect that kind of money for decades after doing just about as pi$$ poor a job as is even humanly possible.

Doesn't the money mostly come not from the State though? And pensions after 3 years of "service" is pretty ridiculous.

socaliganbear;842257814 said:

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I love Okaydo.

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Best BI poster.

bluepod;842257826 said:

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I admit that I don't keep track of coaches coming and going, especially if they are Cal-affiliated but I was a bit surprised to read that Buh was the co-DC at the Furd under Harbaugh for 2 years 07-09. What happened there? How did he then wind up as a linebacker coach at Wisconsin from being a DC? Apparently, he also was on the staff here before too. Any help on these historical details would be appreciated. Knowing these bits about his background makes me even more puzzled as to how poorly the D performed this year and at least suggests that SD wasn't just pulling rabbits out of a hat when he hired him.:axe

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This has been talked about on another thread. I believe the abridged version of the story (open for correction):

* Furd - Started out as LB coach. Got promoted as Co-DC but the other Co-DC did more of the DC-ing. During the 2 years, furd defense was OK but not great. After Buh gets fired (or leaves) to Nevada, furd defense improved significantly under the new DC.

* Nevada - He was DC here and his defense were OK but not great. This overlaps with the Kaepernick period and Nevada dominated. Buh heads to Wisconsin.

* Wisconsin - He becomes LB coach here. Don't know the story here.. haven't looked too closely. Perhaps he's just better as a LB coach than a DC.

http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30100&ATCLID=207769909

http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76713

socaliganbear;842257814 said:

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I love Okaydo.

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Yes, I am also a big fan. Look, let people do their thing. I have my thing. You have yours. Okaydo has his. Minkjr has his. BA Bearacus has his. Etc. It makes the board more fun. If it gets too much, don't click on it.

OskiMD;842257833 said:

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This fool needs to be fired asap then. It just turns my stomach to think that he would collect that kind of money for decades after doing just about as pi$$ poor a job as is even humanly possible.

Doesn't the money mostly come not from the State though? And pensions after 3 years of "service" is pretty ridiculous.

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what are the odds he hits 3 years though? Assuming they define it as calendar years, even if Dykes and Buh last 3 seasons and are then fired they won't make it 3 calendar years.

What are the limits on the pensions? Do they apply to the entirety of the package? By what was stated, it sounds like Tedford is making a ton of money (12x3=36% off of a single year high of around $2.8M is around $1M/yr). If this is legit, we should be marketing this to potential coaching hires.

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* Furd - Started out as LB coach. Got promoted as Co-DC but the other Co-DC did more of the DC-ing. During the 2 years, furd defense was OK but not great. After Buh gets fired (or leaves) to Nevada, furd defense improved significantly under the new DC.

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from what I recall of what folks posted here, Buh wasn't going to keep his DC (might've been during the switch to Shaw) and wanted to be a full DC so his departure was sort of a mutual thing. The weird move, if his motivation was to be a DC, was from Nevada DC to Wisconsin LB coach.

StillNoStanfurdium;842257709 said:

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I know he worked with Sonny in 1998, but seriously, his first DLine coaching experience was now. He wasn't hired to do any of the coaching that he's previously done.

Rivals doesn't list the recruiter for most of our DL commits, but the one that is listed, 3-star JUCO Trevor Kelly, is listed as being a Sacks recruit.

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Idk ... The EE's were Sacks guys and the current verballed HS guys are Sash's guys. You keep Sash until after LOI day.

Was 30 second drives by the offense
The offensive ineptitude that resulted in quick 3 and outs trumps defensive genius in college games.
We can't expect any DC coordinator to pitch shutouts if we give opponents 5-6 possessions each quarter.
Seems like when Stanford played Oregon, in one quarter Oregon had only one possession. Seems like when Cal played Oregon, Oregon had four possessions in the first five minutes. The math is pretty simple; give Oregon (and other PAC12 opponents) more possessions per game and they will score more points per game.
FWIW I think the quick offensive pace at Oregon and their quick scoring drives makes their defense look much worse that it would be in a system with a smashmouth offense.

Bottom line - Cal's defense will look better when the offense holds onto the ball longer and reduces the number of possessions by the opponent. Maybe
an improved defensive scheme from a new coordinator will inspire the offense to play better; but that may be a stretch...

sp4149;842257938 said:

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Was 30 second drives by the offense
The offensive ineptitude that resulted in quick 3 and outs trumps defensive genius in college games.
We can't expect any DC coordinator to pitch shutouts if we give opponents 5-6 possessions each quarter.
Seems like when Stanford played Oregon, in one quarter Oregon had only one possession. Seems like when Cal played Oregon, Oregon had four possessions in the first five minutes. The math is pretty simple; give Oregon (and other PAC12 opponents) more possessions per game and they will score more points per game.
FWIW I think the quick offensive pace at Oregon and their quick scoring drives makes their defense look much worse that it would be in a system with a smashmouth offense.

Bottom line - Cal's defense will look better when the offense holds onto the ball longer and reduces the number of possessions by the opponent. Maybe
an improved defensive scheme from a new coordinator will inspire the offense to play better; but that may be a stretch...

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This is not true... We only had 898 plays run against us last year, but gave up the 7th worst in all of FBS yards per play at 7.08... Basically all things being equal if we didn't run the hurry up offense we would have been ranked #117 worst Def instead of #122... On contrast our Offense benefited greatly by the hurry up as someone pointed out earlier being ranked #34.

On the flip side the 12th ranked Def by Utah state had 1018 plays run against them giving up only 4.55 per play ranking 5th best. One of the reasons I would love to go for Todd Orlando assuming that Oregon doesn't sign him.

The defense gave up so many big plays thatthey didnt spend much time on the field either. Guess what...stop the other team and they wont have four possessions a quarter.

KoreAmBear;842257868 said:

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Yes, I am also a big fan. Look, let people do their thing. I have my thing. You have yours. Okaydo has his. Minkjr has his. BA Bearacus has his. Etc. It makes the board more fun. If it gets too much, don't click on it.

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Hear hear. The persistent, petty trolling by some posters show how we all get older but not all of us grow up.

sp4149;842257938 said:

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Was 30 second drives by the offense
The offensive ineptitude that resulted in quick 3 and outs trumps defensive genius in college games.
We can't expect any DC coordinator to pitch shutouts if we give opponents 5-6 possessions each quarter.
Seems like when Stanford played Oregon, in one quarter Oregon had only one possession. Seems like when Cal played Oregon, Oregon had four possessions in the first five minutes. The math is pretty simple; give Oregon (and other PAC12 opponents) more possessions per game and they will score more points per game.
FWIW I think the quick offensive pace at Oregon and their quick scoring drives makes their defense look much worse that it would be in a system with a smashmouth offense.

Bottom line - Cal's defense will look better when the offense holds onto the ball longer and reduces the number of possessions by the opponent. Maybe
an improved defensive scheme from a new coordinator will inspire the offense to play better; but that may be a stretch...

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There is no question that the offensive ineptitude exacerbated our defensive problems. I think that is true for all teams running fast tempo offenses. Aliotti at Oregon was on the hotseat for many years - until they figured out they needed to rotate defensive players as well.

Even with that taken into account, the coaching on the defensive side and particularly buh's schemes were horrible. The offense was part of the problem, but not the biggest part IMO.

freshfunk;842257855 said:

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This has been talked about on another thread. I believe the abridged version of the story (open for correction):

* Furd - Started out as LB coach. Got promoted as Co-DC but the other Co-DC did more of the DC-ing. During the 2 years, furd defense was OK but not great. After Buh gets fired (or leaves) to Nevada, furd defense improved significantly under the new DC.

* Nevada - He was DC here and his defense were OK but not great. This overlaps with the Kaepernick period and Nevada dominated. Buh heads to Wisconsin.

* Wisconsin - He becomes LB coach here. Don't know the story here.. haven't looked too closely. Perhaps he's just better as a LB coach than a DC.

http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30100&ATCLID=207769909

http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76713

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Thanks for the thread. September seems so long ago. I was out of the country then and nowhere near a computer so I missed this. It may have been a blessing in disguise.:headbang

I don't care how many possessions a defense faces in a quarter, you shouldn't give up three TD's. We gave up TD's within the first five plays of the game on several occasions. Plenty of offenses get 3-and-outs early, but those teams don't lose the game in the first five minutes.

Our defense was anomalous in some ways because of how bad it was early in games. In part, their "improvement" over the course of a game might come from the other team letting up, which just emphasizes how bad they were early. Because their early possessions were so awful, they were only playing a few possessions of real football against the real offensive game-plan and a fired-up opponent. A lot of points were scored in those few possessions, though.

OskiMD;842257837 said:

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Best BI poster.

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Yeah .... Maybe 2nd best ... GrizzledBear with all the hottie threads is tough to beat .....

OskiMD;842257833 said:

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This fool needs to be fired asap then. It just turns my stomach to think that he would collect that kind of money for decades after doing just about as pi$$ poor a job as is even humanly possible.

Doesn't the money mostly come not from the State though? And pensions after 3 years of "service" is pretty ridiculous.

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need 10yrs of service to become eligible for the state pension, not 3yrs I believe.

Dykes underestimated how tough this conference is evidenced by these original defensive hires.

He is in way over his head.