We want players that want to be Cal Bears!!

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Rushinbear
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Cal89;842260535 said:

Thank you Darby. Just torques me to hear these kids getting blamed, told they are quitters or soft. No, not the adults, the ones getting paid quite well to manage the AD and football team.

The talent we have or had on this team was not the worst in the conference, and by far. And it was certainly not the worst in our history. The results were though. Our recruiting the last few years, by most or all services, had us in the top 1/3 of the conference. We have or had sufficient talent to at least be competitive in our games. Coaching can and often does make a difference!

We know there was a cancerous dynamic of JT's last team to where the players just mailed it in the last few games. It was clear to many finally that JT's time was up. However, that team nearly beat tOSU in Columbus, and should have. They beat a ranked UCLA team, and did so handily. It was not a good year for sure, but you don't do those things with pathetic talent.

That said, with the talent we are losing and the prospects of this class, this excuse might be a valid one soon; and if so, it will be one created by SD, and his chosen staff.

As far as young men leaving the program, by any and all means, the pain of staying equated to giving-up. These 18-20 year olds didn't make these decisions alone, and I'd guess all were well-contemplated (I'm aware of a couple). They consulted former coaches and trainers, as well as family and friends. As someone said earlier, such sentiment (desire to leave) existed before the last game. At least one parent that I'm aware of spoke with SD before season's end, and it was not a fruitful discussion. It had seemed evident that other family members had done the same. Transferring next year was encouraged more so than this year, as it would look bad, particularly if more than a couple departed now So much for that.

JT and staff didn't get us to the promised land, but they were a proven commodity to the recruits. The pro set O and playbook groomed all offensive positions very well for the next level. The D was led by a guy with NFL experience, the SB even. Like him or not, Pendy gave us the #1 defense in the conference, I believe in 2010 (yards allowed). In 2011 also, a different metric as I recall, but 2nd in yards allowed.

Just like a Cal degree is golden for one's career, Cal football was arguably the best out there in developing and preparing those for that career path. That is suddenly gone and replaced with a HC and staff, to be polite, very polite, is not proven. Further, horrific results aside, the offensive system is not something that lends itself well to what's expected in the League. Speaking of which, I believe none of the coaches have NFL experience (as player or coach). Lose a few renowned professors that makes a major very desirable on campus, and students will choose to matriculate elsewhere. Totally understandable.

This doesn't even factor-in other matters on the team, how things have been managed, personnel decisions, disciplinary approaches, altercation/s, practice players not on the sidelines on game day and no end of season awards.

These are not opinions.

As much as I love Cal, I feel that Cal failed these young men. That pains me for the kids (the ones still here too), as it does me being an alum and hardcore fan.


Talent, talent, talent. What good is it compared to performance? WRs who don't block downfield? RBs who dance in the backfield? DBs who throw themselves at the thighs of ball carriers instead of driving at their hips and wrapping up? DLs who hesitate off the ball and just push against the opposing OL? OLs who just position themselves opposite a DL. RBs who don't block a blitzing LB or S?

Maybe it's coaching, but when a player does it in practice or shows the skill to do it and then does not do it on the field, repeatedly, even at the end of a season of experience, then talent isn't worth much.

And, maybe it's players who think that saving themselves for the League is more important than carrying out their assignments. Come draft day, they may learn that using college chiefly to prep for the League was a miscalculation to their, then, irredeemable dismay.
rjgoode
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Has Moraga Bear opined on this issue? Love to hear the perspective of someone close to the program and might actually know what is going on.
Rushinbear
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rjgoode;842260606 said:

Has Moraga Bear opined on this issue? Love to hear the perspective of someone close to the program and might actually know what is going on.


Moraga is wired in, no doubt, but must temper his statements in honor of his access.

I'm talking from what I see on the field and in films. Performance. Actions. What the players actually do.

Or, do people say to me, "You gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?"
72CalBear
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LethalFang;842260599 said:

With a few exceptions, 99% of recruits choose Cal simply because Cal is the best offer they have. We don't have a football tradition to speak of, where kids watch us growing up and dream of playing us. We may have a notable exception like Joe Igber, who wants to receive an elite education and play some high-level football on the side, but we may get a Joe Igber once every 2 years.
For the rest, the question is what we can do for them.


This is also how I see it. Being around high school football for 40 years, these players see Cal football in itself as a no draw, and the academics we all hail, doesn't matter much to the 17 year old who yes, drools over Marshawn, Desean, AR, and KA, but whom also all left early.
manus
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72CalBear;842260622 said:

This is also how I see it. Being around high school football for 40 years, these players see Cal football in itself as a no draw, and the academics we all hail, doesn't matter much to the 17 year old who yes, drools over Marshawn, Desean, AR, and KA, but whom also all left early.


Well, in those 40 years, when did it stop just being a way to get a Free Ride, a free education?
jyamada
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Cal89;842260535 said:

Thank you Darby. Just torques me to hear these kids getting blamed, told they are quitters or soft. No, not the adults, the ones getting paid quite well to manage the AD and football team.

The talent we have or had on this team was not the worst in the conference, and by far. And it was certainly not the worst in our history. The results were though. Our recruiting the last few years, by most or all services, had us in the top 1/3 of the conference. We have or had sufficient talent to at least be competitive in our games. Coaching can and often does make a difference!

We know there was a cancerous dynamic of JT's last team to where the players just mailed it in the last few games. It was clear to many finally that JT's time was up. However, that team nearly beat tOSU in Columbus, and should have. They beat a ranked UCLA team, and did so handily. It was not a good year for sure, but you don't do those things with pathetic talent.

That said, with the talent we are losing and the prospects of this class, this excuse might be a valid one soon; and if so, it will be one created by SD, and his chosen staff.

As far as young men leaving the program, by any and all means, the pain of staying equated to giving-up. These 18-20 year olds didn't make these decisions alone, and I'd guess all were well-contemplated (I'm aware of a couple). They consulted former coaches and trainers, as well as family and friends. As someone said earlier, such sentiment (desire to leave) existed before the last game. At least one parent that I'm aware of spoke with SD before season's end, and it was not a fruitful discussion. It had seemed evident that other family members had done the same. Transferring next year was encouraged more so than this year, as it would look bad, particularly if more than a couple departed now So much for that.

JT and staff didn't get us to the promised land, but they were a proven commodity to the recruits. The pro set O and playbook groomed all offensive positions very well for the next level. The D was led by a guy with NFL experience, the SB even. Like him or not, Pendy gave us the #1 defense in the conference, I believe in 2010 (yards allowed). In 2011 also, a different metric as I recall, but 2nd in yards allowed.

Just like a Cal degree is golden for one's career, Cal football was arguably the best out there in developing and preparing those for that career path. That is suddenly gone and replaced with a HC and staff, to be polite, very polite, is not proven. Further, horrific results aside, the offensive system is not something that lends itself well to what's expected in the League. Speaking of which, I believe none of the coaches have NFL experience (as player or coach). Lose a few renowned professors that makes a major very desirable on campus, and students will choose to matriculate elsewhere. Totally understandable.

This doesn't even factor-in other matters on the team, how things have been managed, personnel decisions, disciplinary approaches, altercation/s, practice players not on the sidelines on game day and no end of season awards.

These are not opinions.

As much as I love Cal, I feel that Cal failed these young men. That pains me for the kids (the ones still here too), as it does me being an alum and hardcore fan.



You talk about a cancerous dynamic to the 2012 team.
A team that was capable of mailing it in. I've heard this from several posters that the 2012 team quit. Was Dykes able to cut this cancer out when he took over the team? Maybe it was the seniors and early NFL entrants who were responsible for this attitude?

Let's say it was a team wide affliction. Perhaps the cancer went into remission because of a new coach and a whole new outlook for the program. When things started going south for Cal Football, do you think the cancer reared its ugly head again or was it cured although Cal had many players from JT's last year? You know, many of the same players who so called mailed it in under less than adverse circumstances?

I think the devastating effects of the injury situation have been underestimated by the board, at least on the defensive end. I don't think the team Quit this past year.....but it was a combination of having to use too many 2nd, 3rd stringers and walk ons who weren't ready physically and mentally to compete at the D1 level. If this is Dykes fault then so be it.
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Cal89;842260535 said:


...As much as I love Cal, I feel that Cal failed these young men. That pains me for the kids (the ones still here too), as it does me being an alum and hardcore fan.


Good post, but I do not believe Cal "failed these young men." Since "life makes it's own plans," perhaps this was a teaching moment for those quitting this team and those advising them to quit, but they collectively chose to quit, to surrender. So be it.

:gobears:
dupdadee
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They all wanted to be at Cal...for vast majority of them, so they committed to us.

Many have since lost that passion because the coaching staff is in over their heads.

Who are we kidding here? Majority of them come here for a chance to play Pac12 football not because of Cal degree. Otherwise, you just wouldn't see most of them majoring in sociology, African American studies, or some other relatively easy major.

Guys like Brazinski, Scarlett, Igber are exceptions, not the norm.
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It's the adults who are in control of this football program and not the kids. If the kids had a voice in the various decision making processes then it would be different, but they don't. The responsibility of where this program is at this point in time lies with the adults who run this program, from the AD to the coaches.

Leaving early for the NFL doesn't mean you don't want to be a Cal Bear, it means you want to fulfill a goal that you set for yourself to play in the NFL. People are acting like these kids with aspirations to play in the NFL are leaving because they want to harm Cal. First, these kids have fulfilled their contracts which are renewable yearly. Secondly, these kids don't owe the fans who are criticizing them anything. A sport where a coach can pull your scholie, dismiss you from the team, choose not to renew your scholie because he wants to make room for better players, bench you because he doesn't think you are performing and where losing your starting position because of injury can occur doesn't foster a culture of loyalty.
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Cal89;842260535 said:



This doesn't even factor-in other matters on the team, how things have been managed, personnel decisions, disciplinary approaches, altercation/s, practice players not on the sidelines on game day and no end of season awards.

As much as I love Cal, I feel that Cal failed these young men. That pains me for the kids (the ones still here too), as it does me being an alum and hardcore fan.


This is on Sandy Barbour. She selected and hired the head coach. She set the direction for the overall program. She is totally incompetent and much be fired.
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Darby;842260523 said:

Sonny recruited Ragin. He is also recruiting a bunch of 2.something GPA students now and has been trolling Mississippi JUCOs for scholar athletes. The idea that Sonny is being rigorous about academics is silly. It's all PR deflection.


really? we are gonna sign a bunch of 2.something GPA recruits? tell me which ones
paul916
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manus;842260309 said:

Disagree: it shows that those kids are quitters, just like a lot of Sunshine fans on this board.

Staff hasn't quit, and neither has the balance of the team.

We are good to go.

:gobears:


I don't think they're quitters; rather, they have decided to play football with a different team.
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