beelzebear;842266570 said:

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Nice link and agree. The guy at least isn't talking from the book of cliches and pat answers. I know the NFL PR types are grinning this week at the prospects of more Sherman over the next couple of weeks. The question is whether Sherman cooperates. I hope he tries to play the media but he might be too smart for that and just lay low. At least it's interesting.

BTW, I think Sherman is really good at getting under people's skin. It's gamesmanship and since he has the game skills to back it up, it's a nasty combo. I don't know who said it but it was a little scary and Sherman wanted that. His comments were as much about next season when he'll play against Crabtree 2x.

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Exactly: He's trying to draw future PF calls against the 49ers. He's smart and he knows how to annoy the opposition and break their focus. But he's also on some heavy duty pharmaceuticals or should be IMO.

Cal_Fan2;842266596 said:

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If you win a game and then get in the face of you opponent AFTER the game is over, I consider that poor sportsmanship regardless of if it is my team or not....especially to rub it in. If you are animated before a game, or even during, that is ok since it it part of the game, but insulting your opponents afterwards is bush league. I'll always think that way but I was raised in a different era I guess.....

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+1. Sherman is a very good athlete, but as a person he appears to be totally bush league. Wouldn't want my kid looking up to him.

Golden One;842266891 said:

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+1. Sherman is a very good athlete, but as a person he appears to be totally bush league. Wouldn't want my kid looking up to him.

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Aaron Hernandez is a very good athlete. I wouldn't want my kids to look up to him either.

GB54;842266703 said:

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These guys are trying to kill and maim each other for three hours . I'm sure Sherman and Crabtree were insulting each other constantly with absolutely no respect . When the game ends they are expected to transition to cliches and respect. Some guys need to go beyond normal behavior to full gladiator mode to get their game on and I think Sherman is one. I don't begrudge Sherman or Crabtree for trying to kill each other for my entertainment; nor do I care if this continues after the game. If people have problems with Sherman it will be handled the next time these guys play

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You're "sure" Crabtree was insulting and disrespecting Sherman, although there's no transcript of what they said on the field. On the other hand, we *know* Sherman insulted and disrespected Crabtree, right there on live TV.

I think most athletes do indeed respect competitiveness and athleticism in their opponents, regardless of how hard (or even because of) they fight against each other during the game. Sherman appears to be an exception.

heartofthebear and beelzebear posit that it's gamesmanship, laying groundwork for next season. The alternative theory is that he's a dick. I think Occam's Razor might be of use here.

freshfunk;842266686 said:

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I'm glad to hear this because it did come off as the stereotypes of angry black man and scared white woman. Unfortunately such prejudices exist in society. This is why I think some people go so far as to call him a "thug" which is uncalled for.

I liked to see his raw emotion and don't mind a little smack talking. That's why it's entertainment. Definitely not a great role model for the kids though. It does the away from his accomplishments as his jabbering distracts. But he's a great athlete and a primadonna.

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Just to be clear, you're playing the race card here. Which is bull$#it, plain and simple.

I didn't need Erin Andrews' presence to come to the conclusion that Richard Sherman behaves like a thug or that he wants me to think of him as a thug.

You're certainly entitled to see it as entertainment. I see it as using a violent sport as an excuse to act like a thug...and get away with it.

Not all football players behave the way in which Richard Sherman behaved last night after the game. In fact, I was struck by the fact that I can't recall a post-game on-field interview with as much anger expressed by a player, ever.

JSC 76;842266907 said:

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You're "sure" Crabtree was insulting and disrespecting Sherman, although there's no transcript of what they said on the field. On the other hand, we *know* Sherman insulted and disrespected Crabtree, right there on live TV.

I think most athletes do indeed respect competitiveness and athleticism in their opponents, regardless of how hard (or even because of) they fight against each other during the game. Sherman appears to be an exception.

heartofthebear and beelzebear posit that it's gamesmanship, laying groundwork for next season. The alternative theory is that he's a dick. I think Occam's Razor might be of use here.

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He can be both a dick and pulling some gamesmanship and wouldn't disagree if anyone said both. Some of the biggest gamers in sports are in fact dicks.

Richard Sherman just apologized via text to ESPN's Ed Werder saying "I apologize for attacking an individual".

He is mental.

beelzebear;842266920 said:

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He can be both a dick and pulling some gamesmanship and wouldn't disagree if anyone said both. Some of the biggest gamers in sports are in fact dicks.

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I don't understand why people keep saying this is gamesmanship. The game is over. Gamesmanship happens before or during the game doesn't it.

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gamesmanship
ˈgāmzmənˌSHip/
noun
noun: gamesmanship

1.
the art of winning games by using various ploys and tactics to gain a psychological advantage.

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If you google Sherman under different headings, you'll see a gread deal of people think he is a douche or idiot.. This is not an accident. Repeat bad behavior enough and it is expected out of you and forms a reputation. Some point to the fact he was emotional. Ok, forget the post game Andrews interview, when he was dressed, in a suit, he kept saying Crabtree is a mediocre receiver blah blah blah 3 times in under a minute in an insulting way...I don't know if this is an age thing because I know youth these days seem to accept worse behavior, but every ESPN, Sports analyst I listened to today said was was a great player but lacked class and humility. You simply don't start throwing insults at players on the podium unless you want a rep as an asshat......

Oh, and for that handshake after the play, considering past behavior, I'd say that was not genuine, that was more sarcastic taunting. Again, you look at past behavior to make these inferences, not in isolation. You offer a handshake after the game, not after a play....he did the same juvenile thing to White on the Falcons...taunting after a play in a immature and a$$hole way. You guys who want to look up to that confuse the hell out of me....

NYCGOBEARS;842266921 said:

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Richard Sherman just apologized via text to ESPN's Ed Werder saying "I apologize for attacking an individual".

He is mental.

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Give the players some time to calm down from the heat of battle. My guess is most of the young players sound like that

Cal_Fan2;842266934 said:

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I don't understand why people keep saying this is gamesmanship. The game is over. Gamesmanship happens before or during the game doesn't it.

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Because he and the Seahawks will play the Niners at least 2x next season, perhaps more. Sherman is an odd ball but he can play. Also Seattle and SF are now bitter rivals. I think the rivalry thing is good.

beelzebear;842266960 said:

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Because he and the Seahawks will play the Niners at least 2x next season, perhaps more. Sherman is an odd ball but he can play. Also Seattle and SF are now bitter rivals. I think the rivalry thing is good.

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Never said he couldn't play, but the majority of opinions seem to point to the fact he is smart but an immature, chip on his shoulder, taunting douche who majored in communications but doesn't really express himself all that well even when he uses big words to show off. Go look at his interview with Skip Bayless when Steven A. Smith was shaking his head when Sherman was insulting Bayless...it goes on and on and on. Rivalry is a good thing. Vernon Davis said it best. He used to act like a spoiled petulant child, and he thanks God he was straightened out.

You must be a young guy beelzebear because some of us older blues were simply raised to exhibit at least a modicum of humility and graciousness. Take Aaron Rodgers or Tony Gonzalez as examples. No matter what you guys say, I think this kind insulting B.S AFTER games is crude and revealing of an insecure and bitter guy no matter how much good work he does. He has some civility and anger mgmt issue if you ask me...oh, please check out the interview I mentioned. He just comes off as a plain dickwad.....

JSC 76;842266907 said:

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You're "sure" Crabtree was insulting and disrespecting Sherman, although there's no transcript of what they said on the field. On the other hand, we *know* Sherman insulted and disrespected Crabtree, right there on live TV.

I think most athletes do indeed respect competitiveness and athleticism in their opponents, regardless of how hard (or even because of) they fight against each other during the game. Sherman appears to be an exception.

heartofthebear and beelzebear posit that it's gamesmanship, laying groundwork for next season. The alternative theory is that he's a dick. I think Occam's Razor might be of use here.

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Yes I'm sure that Crabtree and Sherman were trash talking all game. And yes he probably is a dick and maybe Crabtree is as well for not shaking hands with him when offered. I just don't think there is anything to this story -especially any great moral lessons-other than manufacturing villains for the media

Yeh, and he works for that Papa John douche-bag.

JSC 76;842266907 said:

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You're "sure" Crabtree was insulting and disrespecting Sherman, although there's no transcript of what they said on the field. On the other hand, we *know* Sherman insulted and disrespected Crabtree, right there on live TV.

I think most athletes do indeed respect competitiveness and athleticism in their opponents, regardless of how hard (or even because of) they fight against each other during the game. Sherman appears to be an exception.

heartofthebear and beelzebear posit that it's gamesmanship, laying groundwork for next season. The alternative theory is that he's a dick. I think Occam's Razor might be of use here.

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I would do my homework before throwing accusations like that around.

Sherman had admitted that he doesn't trash talk great receivers like Fitzgerald (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/20131015arizona-cardinals-larry-fitzgerald-too-nice-to-be-trashtalk-target.html).

Meanwhile it looks like Crabtree tried to fight Sherman at a charity event (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/20/report-crabtree-tried-to-fight-sherman-at-a-charity-event-last-year/).

GB54;842266978 said:

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Yes I'm sure that Crabtree and Sherman were trash talking all game. And yes he probably is a dick and maybe Crabtree is as well for not shaking hands with him when offered. I just don't think there is anything to this story -especially any great moral lessons-other than manufacturing villains for the media

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I agree but I don't think the media needs to have folks manufacture villains. They're usually pretty good at manufacturing their own, but maybe that's what you meant.

And, for the record, I never said that Sherman's gamemanship meant he wasn't also pretty mental. I honestly think he is bipolar...seriously. And I hope that the Seahawks address this seriously as a potential issue because bipolar mental illness, untreated, can cost lives.

FiatSlug;842266916 said:

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Just to be clear, you're playing the race card here. Which is bull$#it, plain and simple.

I didn't need Erin Andrews' presence to come to the conclusion that Richard Sherman behaves like a thug or that he wants me to think of him as a thug.

You're certainly entitled to see it as entertainment. I see it as using a violent sport as an excuse to act like a thug...and get away with it.

Not all football players behave the way in which Richard Sherman behaved last night after the game. In fact, I was struck by the fact that I can't recall a post-game on-field interview with as much anger expressed by a player, ever.

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Race card? Well duh. That's why I said there were racial stereotypes at play. Just because I point out stereotypes exist in society doesn't mean it's bs. It's naive to think that in greater society that prejudice doesn't exist.

Did he express anger? Sure. Did he look like a jacka**? Some may say so. But why call him a "thug"? Did he pull out a gun or jump someone on the field? Did he throw up gang signs?

heartofthebear;842267003 said:

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I agree but I don't think the media needs to have folks manufacture villains. They're usually pretty good at manufacturing their own, but maybe that's what you meant.

And, for the record, I never said that Sherman's gamemanship meant he wasn't also pretty mental. I honestly think he is bipolar...seriously. And I hope that the Seahawks address this seriously as a potential issue because bipolar mental illness, untreated, can cost lives.

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That's what I meant thanks. In truth I have more sympathy for these guys because they play a brutal game where a career can end in a second. I expect this influences a lot of their behavior or it may be as you say or even painkillers

Rushinbear;842266582 said:

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She looked stricken and thinking, "Uh, oh, what did I just do?"

She just learned the difference between the Green Room and the Locker Room.

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The producer in the truck pulled the plug while she was starting to ask another question. She does a great job, knows her **** and didn't back down.

freshfunk;842267009 said:

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Race card? Well duh. That's why I said there were racial stereotypes at play. Just because I point out stereotypes exist in society doesn't mean it's bs. It's naive to think that in greater society that prejudice doesn't exist.

Did he express anger? Sure. Did he look like a jacka**? Some may say so. But why call him a "thug"? Did he pull out a gun or jump someone on the field? Did he throw up gang signs?

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On the first point: you missed my point. Because you used racial stereotypes yourself means that you played the race card.

On the second point: people who aren't thugs don't use anger to express themselves.

FiatSlug;842267029 said:

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On the first point: you missed my point. Because you used racial stereotypes yourself means that you played the race card.

On the second point: people who aren't thugs don't use anger to express themselves.

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He pointed out the existence of stereotypes and this is a problem for you?

Secondly lol, ever get mad at anything in your life? Or are you a thug?

okaydo;842266546 said:

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Here's Erin talking about it. I agree with her.



We get so many boring, cliche-ridden interviews these days.

Athletes are too media trained. Colin Kaepernick barely opens his mouth.

And when we finally get honesty and raw emotions, we complain.

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Sorry but I am not buying what Erin is selling.

She is trying to play down the fact that Sherman was an incoherent crazy man. I can understand the emotion but many sports players have had similar experiences and came out much more lucid and coherent under pressure.

Erin is trying to excuse Sherman's actions so as to avoid making an enemy of a crazy man or avoiding a very unpleasant scene on camera.

GivemTheAxe;842267041 said:

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Sorry but I am not buying what Erin is selling.

She is trying to play down the fact that Sherman was an incoherent crazy man. I can understand the emotion but many sports players have had similar experiences and came out much more lucid and coherent under pressure.

Erin is trying to excuse Sherman's actions so as to avoid making an enemy of a crazy man or avoiding a very unpleasant scene on camera.

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Don't forget that Crab had just mushed* the guy. Not that he wasn't asking for it but if that happened to anyone, their adrenaline would be sky high and would enter fight-or-flight mode.

His interview about 15 minutes later with the hosts was completely calm and collected.

*http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mush&defid=138455

Getting back to the title of this thread: "OK... you are Erin Andrews."

I go to the nearest full-length mirror and start slowly taking all my clothes off, while eyeing myself seductively.

concernedparent;842267036 said:

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He pointed out the existence of stereotypes and this is a problem for you?

Secondly lol, ever get mad at anything in your life? Or are you a thug?

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So, what's your deal?

freshfunk;842267074 said:

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Don't forget that Crab had just mushed* the guy. Not that he wasn't asking for it but if that happened to anyone, their adrenaline would be sky high and would enter fight-or-flight mode.

His interview about 15 minutes later with the hosts was completely calm and collected.

*http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mush&defid=138455

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Yeah, Sherman seems to get mushed a lot. Wonder why that is.

Look. I hate the 49ers with the heat of a thousand suns. Watching them lose while also seeing Marshawn make the Super Bowl was awesome. I would even revel in some taunting because the 49ers deserve it just for existing. But Shermanwas an ass. He wasn't an ass because he was excited. I'm fine with Eck's fist pumps or even Marshawn's crotch grab. But Sherman goes out of his way to get in guys face and publicly humiliate them when they lose. That is a punk. And this isn't old school. 100 guys are on that field every game and almost no one else does it. He is breaking the code of behavior that the PLAYERS have. That is why the PLAYERS get mad.

And anyone claiming that was a legitimate handshake is not being genuine. The taunting was obvious. He deserved to get mushed.

Sherman sounded like he was on some kind of chemical stimulants....

I don't like the guy but here's some more information about the "feud".

http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/4220/fitz-at-center-of-crabtree-sherman-feud

For those who don't want to click, it looks like Sherman/Crabtree got into some type of argument in the summer during some charity event. Looks like its been boiling since then and is very personal now. This makes a bit more sense to me since Sherman is a very smart corner and he antagonizes with a goal. I'm pretty sure we'll never know what happened, but getting into a fight at a charity event is pretty classless. Or maybe thats the type of thing only people with class to spare do. Regardless, I have no doubt that they both share some blame for whatever happened even if the report is one-sided.

I'm still amused about the whole thing and the NFL loves it I'm sure. Ratings bonanza for the next time they play. These rivalries where the teams hate each other are great.