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YuSeeBerkeley;842275536 said:

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At least he's won a Super Bowl. It's coming up on 20 years for you guys.

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You guys?

What does that mean? I say pretty often I only care about Lynch, Rodgers, sometimes Jackson, (and now Kap) in the NFL, and dont have a team.

So, My guys have won in 2011 and 2014 and lost the 2013 superb owl?

Not too bad for "my guys." 3 superb owls and 2 wins in 4 years?

okaydo;842275814 said:

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BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!

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He gonna have a bad breakup...

upsetof86;842275613 said:

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Broncos looked mentally exhausted to me last night. Seattle D too fast. Too many expectations to win it for Peyton. And the crowd noise level was completely unexpected, clearly.

But fundamentally the speed of that Seattle D was intimidating, I never saw Peyton hold the ball so long all season--explains all the dump offs and the "meaningless" completion stat.

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Seattle's D was so fast they were averaging 1 point every 6 seconds for a while.

Phantomfan;842275825 said:

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He gonna have a bad breakup...

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At least he'll get a good breakup song out of it.

I'm the biggest Rodgers homer on the planet, and I say zero chance the Broncos win with Rodgers, or with Montana, or with Unitas, or with Brady, or with any qb you like.

HaasBear04;842275833 said:

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I'm the biggest Rodgers homer on the planet, and I say zero chance the Broncos win with Rodgers, or with Montana, or with Unitas, or with Brady, or with any qb you like.

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QB was not the issue...

The line was overwhelmed. Rodgers gets sacked and rushed and hit just like any other QB back there...

Rodgers does not play D or Special Teams. I mean that SUperb owl was a complete smack down. Everyone was out matched one on one... No single player fixes that. It is a dumb question from a simple mind.

taxbear;842275555 said:

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+1. Manning's SB record 34 completions is a completely meaningless stat.

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So were his 5477 yards and 55 TDs. He was totally exposed yesterday. I don't think he's even a top 5 QB in the league anymore. Of course, you may have to give the Seahawks some credit

Bear_Territory;842275558 said:

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Just like Goff's passing record

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Exactly.

I blame Buh.

The game would be a lot closer with Brady or Rodgers. They don't get rattled unlike Peyton. Peyton has his bag of tricks and when they don't work its game over. Where Brady and Rodgers actually figure out the defense and works their weaknesses.

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tommie317;842275943 said:

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The game would be a lot closer with Brady or Rodgers. They don't get rattled unlike Peyton. Peyton has his bag of tricks and when they don't work its game over. Where Brady and Rodgers actually figure out the defense and works their weaknesses.

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What do you base that on?

Is it Rodgers' lower win percentage? Game winning drives? Manning has twice as many Game Winning Drives per start. 4th Quarter comebacks? Manning has 3 times as many 4th Quarter comebacks per start...They both are Superb Owl MVP's... (Brady's 4th Quarter stats are almost exactly the same at Manning's, but he blows both Manning and Rodgers away with wins and superb owls.)

I think Rodgers is one of greatest QBs, but the Manning hatetrain is a little ridiculous. Dude's a pretty freaking great QB, too.

The idea that anyone else is so much better than they would turn a game like that one around by stepping in for him is stupid.

Phantomfan;842276156 said:

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What do you base that on?

Is it Rodgers' lower win percentage? Game winning drives? Manning has twice as many Game Winning Drives per start. 4th Quarter comebacks? Manning has 3 times as many 4th Quarter comebacks per start...They both are Superb Owl MVP's... (Brady's 4th Quarter stats are almost exactly the same at Manning's, but he blows both Manning and Rodgers away with wins and superb owls.)

I think Rodgers is one of greatest QBs, but the Manning hatetrain is a little ridiculous. Dude's a pretty freaking great QB, too.

The idea that anyone else is so much better than they would turn a game like that one around by stepping in for him is stupid.

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Manning, Rodgers and Brady are all great but they aren't great all the time. Brady was hammered by Baltimore last year. AR couldn't single handedly beat the niners. With all these guys it's getting a shot at the dance not necessarily beating a superior team.

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Phantomfan;842276156 said:

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What do you base that on?

Is it Rodgers' lower win percentage? Game winning drives? Manning has twice as many Game Winning Drives per start. 4th Quarter comebacks? Manning has 3 times as many 4th Quarter comebacks per start...They both are Superb Owl MVP's... (Brady's 4th Quarter stats are almost exactly the same at Manning's, but he blows both Manning and Rodgers away with wins and superb owls.)

I think Rodgers is one of greatest QBs, but the Manning hatetrain is a little ridiculous. Dude's a pretty freaking great QB, too.

The idea that anyone else is so much better than they would turn a game like that one around by stepping in for him is stupid.

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I can see the argument for Rodgers being better than Manning. If I were starting a team from scratch I'd pick Rodgers as my QB over Manning. It's reasonable to think that Rodgers may have played better in this game.

That said, the Seahawks won 43-8. As good as Rodgers may be, he's not worth 35 points all by himself.

sycasey;842276193 said:

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I can see the argument for Rodgers being better than Manning. If I were starting a team from scratch I'd pick Rodgers as my QB over Manning. It's reasonable to think that Rodgers may have played better in this game.

That said, the Seahawks won 43-8. As good as Rodgers may be, he's not worth 35 points all by himself.

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Or more importantly to the discussion, he's certainly not worth 35 points more than manning, who set NFL records in many offensive categories.

Holmoephobic;842276230 said:

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Or more importantly to the discussion, he's certainly not worth 35 points more than manning, who set NFL records in many offensive categories.

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This is my point.

To claim Rodgers would win while Manning got beat is saying that Manning is a terrible QB and the reason Denver lost. Anyone entertaining that thought is disqualifying himself from any discussion that requires basic understanding of football.

I would also take Rodgers over most QB's, that is not the point either.

Bobodeluxe;842275911 said:

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I blame Buh.

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This. A post that makes the most sense of any in this thread.

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Holmoephobic;842276230 said:

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Or more importantly to the discussion, he's certainly not worth 35 points more than manning, who set NFL records in many offensive categories.

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Well, yes. Rodgers probably isn't 35 points better than even the worst starting QB in the league (don't know who that would be, Geno Smith maybe? Brandon Weeden?), much less a great one like Manning.

Phantomfan;842276156 said:

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What do you base that on?

Is it Rodgers' lower win percentage? Game winning drives? Manning has twice as many Game Winning Drives per start. 4th Quarter comebacks? Manning has 3 times as many 4th Quarter comebacks per start...They both are Superb Owl MVP's... (Brady's 4th Quarter stats are almost exactly the same at Manning's, but he blows both Manning and Rodgers away with wins and superb owls.)

I think Rodgers is one of greatest QBs, but the Manning hatetrain is a little ridiculous. Dude's a pretty freaking great QB, too.

The idea that anyone else is so much better than they would turn a game like that one around by stepping in for him is stupid.

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Never said Rodgers or Brady would have won but they would put together a much better fight.

Those stats you mentioned do not relate to counter my argument that Peyton only has a bag of tricks to rely upon. If he gets stop one way, he tried a different way, etc etc but once you figure him out, there is no way he can overcome it. I feel Brady and Rodgers are more natural and dissecting unfamiliar schemes or try to be more innovative in their approach when they are stuck.

Examples of why peyton usually plays poor when better teams figure him out is his poor playoff qb rating and Sherman admitting that they figured his tendencies out and jumped all his routes and Peyton was clueless to counter it. He couldn't figure out that his tendencies were exposed and to change it up. I'm not saying he's not a good qb and he's great at exposing weaknesses but he has patterns than can be planned for.

You want to pin that all on Manning? A 5 time MVP?

Maybe Rodgers would have done better, but I doubt he'd be enough to produce a win. In case you did not notice, no facet of the game was close.

dimitrig;842276855 said:

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You want to pin that all on Manning? A 5 time MVP?

Maybe Rodgers would have done better, but I doubt he'd be enough to produce a win. In case you did not notice, no facet of the game was close.

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You responding to me? Cuz again i didn't say Rodgers would have won. Peyton is a MVP cuz he is good at exposing weaknesses and rely on certain plays and matchups and maximizes those outcomes. How does that differ than what you think?

tommie317;842276858 said:

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You responding to me? Cuz again i didn't say Rodgers would have won. Peyton is a MVP cuz he is good at exposing weaknesses and rely on certain plays and matchups and maximizes those outcomes. How does that differ than what you think?

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Responding to the OP

tommie317;842276852 said:

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Never said Rodgers or Brady would have won but they would put together a much better fight.

Those stats you mentioned do not relate to counter my argument that Peyton only has a bag of tricks to rely upon. If he gets stop one way, he tried a different way, etc etc but once you figure him out, there is no way he can overcome it. I feel Brady and Rodgers are more natural and dissecting unfamiliar schemes or try to be more innovative in their approach when they are stuck.

Examples of why peyton usually plays poor when better teams figure him out is his poor playoff qb rating and Sherman admitting that they figured his tendencies out and jumped all his routes and Peyton was clueless to counter it. He couldn't figure out that his tendencies were exposed and to change it up. I'm not saying he's not a good qb and he's great at exposing weaknesses but he has patterns than can be planned for.

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How is it he has more wins and more comeback wins and game winning drives per start than Rodgers? I am sure you have your reasons, but I cant find any stat that shows Manning can be "figured out" and stopped consistently whatsoever.

You could see from the first snap Manning could not use his greatest weapon (reading the defense) when he went to change the play and the ball got snapped into the endzone, so I would say that any claim about manning being "figured out" in the last super bowl has more to do with the original play called in being figured out and Manning not having an opportunity to change the play (again, his, Rodgers and Brady's strength). Rodger got beat 14-12 last time he played in Seattle. Rodgers couldn't even cross the 50 until the second half! that dude is clearly Garbage. _________ (QB) wins that game.

Phantomfan;842276863 said:

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How is it he has more wins and more comeback wins and game winning drives per start than Rodgers? I am sure you have your reasons, but I cant find any stat that shows Manning can be "figured out" and stopped consistently whatsoever.

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Comeback wins and drives are based on being down in the game to start with so it is not an even comparison in that perhaps Rodgers wasn't down in the beginning as much as Peyton was against winnable opponents.

Again Peyton pull out another trick from his bag and finally one worked and he exposed it like a good qb should. This also shows a lack of consistency which again goes back to the point that he relies on certain tactics to win rather than dynamic adjustments that doesn't put his team behind. Not saying Peyton can't win as much, of course he can win same or even more but that he relies on a repertoire that can be studied to be beaten decisively and suffocated where I believe it is harder to totally suffocate Brady or Rodgers.

dimitrig;842276855 said:

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You want to pin that all on Manning? A 5 time MVP?

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His MVP this year is looking pretty ridiculous. Padding stats in a weak division in a weak conference and being a media darling got him the MVP award. If he were a man he would send it back and have the league give it to someone more deserving.

tommie317;842276868 said:

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Comeback wins and drives are based on being down in the game to start with so it is not an even comparison in that perhaps Rodgers wasn't down in the beginning as much as Peyton was against winnable opponents.

Again Peyton pull out another trick from his bag and finally one worked and he exposed it like a good qb should. This also shows a lack of consistency which again goes back to the point that he relies on certain tactics to win rather than dynamic adjustments that doesn't put his team behind. Not saying Peyton can't win as much, of course he can win same or even more but that he relies on a repertoire that can be studied to be beaten decisively and suffocated where I believe it is harder to totally suffocate Brady or Rodgers.

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But Manning has a higher win percentage...

Are you kidding me now?

Brady is one thing, but Rodgers is not consistently winning more than Manning is. That is fact. In addition to that, Manning has proven that the "ability to shut him down" falls apart more in the 4th Quarter than it does with Rodgers...In other words, when Rodgers is beat, he is beat...there is a much smaller chance of him overcoming a bad situation.

I mean, if you want this to be about who I like more, I would pick Rodgers over most every QB in the history of the game... I like him more, but the stats presented dont reflect your claims. Why dont you pull their stats against the 8 best defenses they faced each year vs their stats their worst 8 defenses... that might have value.

Phantomfan;842277050 said:

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But Manning has a higher win percentage...

Are you kidding me now?

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We all know a team consists of offense, defense and special teams as well as other factors including strength of schedule that determines winning or losing. When strength of schedule is removed ie playoffs, his offensive numbers are horrible. These are not arguable statements I'm making here.