Joe Walsh was on Daryl's House and made this statement about modern music:

"Record stores. Record sales. It's all gone. And it is up to the young musicians to try to figure it out. There is no money in it. There are no record companies. It's free. You can download it. Nobody is paid so you can't afford to make music. That's what's happened. And there're just cranking out music that is just like recipes. No one is playing together at the same time. Everyone is adding virtual instruments that don't exist onto a drum machine that somebody programed and you can tell it in the music out now.There is no mojo. There is nobody testifying. There is not the magic of a human performance--which is never perfect. And the magic of the human performance is what we all know and love in the records by the way they were made."

Your thoughts?

Joe Walsh testifying on Daryl's House:

How about... This is he football forum. Take it to another topic forum buddy

Uh, that's why he listed it as OT.

That's a great episode with Walsh, watched it a couple of weeks ago, he raises some interesting points, the music industry has changed radically in a very short time period. It's hard to tell what impact it will have in the long-run, I suspect many artists will still record, it's not just $ that drives them. But the distribution avenues are very different - more live music tours for those still trying to sell their work?

My thought: if you want to make money as a musician, you have to tour. You can't download that.

Whenever I go to New Orleans, Austin, Memphis, Nashville, New York I am always heartened by the number of musicians-young and old-working and delivering new and old stuff

The music's still damn good; it's just harder to find its way to us.

I had to google both Joe Walsh and Daryl's house. This sounds like another in a litany of "back in my time... everything was better" [because we're the ones who were doing it] rants by members of an older generation. There's great new music coming out all the time.

62bear;842279891 said:

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I had to google both Joe Walsh and Daryl's house. This sounds like another in a litany of "back in my time... everything was better" [because we're the ones who were doing it] rants by members of an older generation. There's great new music coming out all the time.

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Joe Walsh, # 54 on Rolling Stones' list of Top 100 Guitarists.

It's a bullshit argument.

1) The greatest music has always been made by musicians who weren't doing it for the money -- think Jazz, Bluegrass, The Blues, Punk Rock, etc. Once money has entered the creative process, the soul of any music has disappeared.

2) Throughout history, musicians have almost never been rewarded financially, except for a very small time in recent history. The idea that there was or should be money in music is a modern invention. This has never stopped great musicians from making great music.

3) Record companies have a long history of being predatory and exploitative of musicians. They have corrupted and destroyed every great musical movement that musicians have ever produced.

4) Who can't afford to make music? Dirt poor blues musicians made music, homeless punk rockers made music, teenagers make music on their allowance, buskers on the corner make music.

5) If he's listening to music that sounds like it was crafted from a soulless recipe, he's clueless about what's out there. Musicians are making live, passionate, amazing music at cafes, bars, and venues all over the Bay Area and around the country. Where the heck is this dude going that he can't find them? And I'm talking real musicians who are making music out of love for making music, who are playing together, who are creative, who are using real instruments, etc.

6) All Joe Walsh has to do is turn on Kalx (Cal's radio station) and he will find an eternity of music that meets none of his stereotypes. Go Bears!

stivo;842279956 said:

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It's a bullshit argument.

1) The greatest music has always been made by musicians who weren't doing it for the money -- think Jazz, Bluegrass, The Blues, Punk Rock, etc. Once money has entered the creative process, the soul of any music has disappeared.

2) Throughout history, musicians have almost never been rewarded financially, except for a very small time in recent history. The idea that there was or should be money in music is a modern invention. This has never stopped great musicians from making great music.

3) Record companies have a long history of being predatory and exploitative of musicians. They have corrupted and destroyed every great musical movement that musicians have ever produced.

4) Who can't afford to make music? Dirt poor blues musicians made music, homeless punk rockers made music, teenagers make music on their allowance, buskers on the corner make music.

5) If he's listening to music that sounds like it was crafted from a soulless recipe, he's clueless about what's out there. Musicians are making live, passionate, amazing music at cafes, bars, and venues all over the Bay Area and around the country. Where the heck is this dude going that he can't find them? And I'm talking real musicians who are making music out of love for making music, who are playing together, who are creative, who are using real instruments, etc.

6) All Joe Walsh has to do is turn on Kalx (Cal's radio station) and he will find an eternity of music that meets none of his stereotypes. Go Bears!

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Well done!:bravo

stivo;842279956 said:

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It's a bullshit argument.

1) The greatest music has always been made by musicians who weren't doing it for the money -- think Jazz, Bluegrass, The Blues, Punk Rock, etc. Once money has entered the creative process, the soul of any music has disappeared.

2) Throughout history, musicians have almost never been rewarded financially, except for a very small time in recent history. The idea that there was or should be money in music is a modern invention. This has never stopped great musicians from making great music.

3) Record companies have a long history of being predatory and exploitative of musicians. They have corrupted and destroyed every great musical movement that musicians have ever produced.

4) Who can't afford to make music? Dirt poor blues musicians made music, homeless punk rockers made music, teenagers make music on their allowance, buskers on the corner make music.

5) If he's listening to music that sounds like it was crafted from a soulless recipe, he's clueless about what's out there. Musicians are making live, passionate, amazing music at cafes, bars, and venues all over the Bay Area and around the country. Where the heck is this dude going that he can't find them? And I'm talking real musicians who are making music out of love for making music, who are playing together, who are creative, who are using real instruments, etc.

6) All Joe Walsh has to do is turn on Kalx (Cal's radio station) and he will find an eternity of music that meets none of his stereotypes. Go Bears!

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My many friends who are jazz musicians would agree heartily, though that wouldn't stop them from wishing they'd make a lot of $.

NYCGOBEARS;842279962 said:

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My many friends who are jazz musicians would agree heartily, though that wouldn't stop them from wishing they'd make a lot of $.

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Do they think Kind of Blue is the best jazz album ever recorded?

Technology will make music like tennis. A lot more people will do it, and almost none of them will get paid for it (nor expect to be).

bearister;842279987 said:

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Do they think Kind of Blue is the best jazz album ever recorded?

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They would argue endlessly amongst themselves as if they were in a debate over To$h coming back. That is one great album though... I've been playing "Sketches of Spain" a lot lately.

stivo;842279956 said:

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3) Record companies have a long history of being predatory and exploitative of musicians. They have corrupted and destroyed every great musical movement that musicians have ever produced.

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This is really the big thing. And it's not just about record companies corrupting movements, etc., it's that the great majority of musical artists signed to record companies saw little-to-no money out of those deals. The contracts signed are so one-sided that an artist had to become a mega-success with multiple hit albums in order to actually make money on record sales. The great majority of them continued to make money the old-fashioned way, by going out and playing shows. The record deal is really just a marketing tool, a way to make sure people are aware of their music (because the record company is going to promote it); part of the reason record companies are starting to go under is that artists now have many cheaper ways to distribute their work and don't always need them.

Walsh does have a point when it comes to the "mainstream" of pop music, though I'm not sure this has really been much different for the last 20 years. The most popular music tends to be overproduced assembly-line crap. That doesn't stop good stuff from continuing to emerge.

What evidence do we have that the music business is any different this year from the last few years?

Fire Joe Walsh. Life's been good to (him), so far.

:p

CalAlumnus13;842279989 said:

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Technology will make music like tennis. A lot more people will do it, and almost none of them will get paid for it (nor expect to be).

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Most musicians will struggle as always but the difference is that social media allows a lot of self marketing. A song twittered or with a Facebook following can get millions of followers quickly

...and on a related note:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_25095616/beatles-took-america-by-storm-50-years-ago.html

sycasey;842280109 said:

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Walsh does have a point when it comes to the "mainstream" of pop music, though I'm not sure this has really been much different for the last 20 years. The most popular music tends to be overproduced assembly-line crap. That doesn't stop good stuff from continuing to emerge.

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The Eagles were a mainstream pop band so maybe that's Walsh's angle. As I put on my flame shields, I'm sure there are people who think the Eagles were great, but come on - Led Zeppelin they ain't.

I think the only difference between the new music I listen to now and the new music I listened to 10 years ago is that I'm older and spend less time and energy seeking out bands. There is still a virtually unlimited supply of indie music that kids know where to find. Many of the biggest artists today started out either self-producing or on indie labels. Anyone who limits their discussion of music to the stuff at the grammys or whatever is on mainstream radio is out of touch and unaware of what enthusiasts do to find music. It's like people who only watch the super bowl and think that football is boring.

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:cheer:Lindsay

The Eagles are way overrated, one great song, a couple of decent ones. But for mainstream, M.O.R. pop, that was actually a pretty high bar they set. Mainstream pop has been abysmally poor since around the mid-90s.

Cal88;842280666 said:

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The Eagles are way overrated, one great song, a couple of decent ones. But for mainstream, M.O.R. pop, that was actually a pretty high bar they set. Mainstream pop has been abysmally poor since around the mid-90s.

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The Dude hates The Eagles. That's enough for me.

The Dude abides.

slotright20;842281034 said:

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The Dude abides.

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^^^

slotright20;842281034 said:

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The Dude abides.

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His cab driver didn't, though.

rooms, tied












:Monty

bearister;842279836 said:

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Joe Walsh was on Daryl's House and made this statement about modern music:

"Record stores. Record sales. It's all gone. And it is up to the young musicians to try to figure it out. There is no money in it. There are no record companies. It's free. You can download it. Nobody is paid so you can't afford to make music. That's what's happened. And there're just cranking out music that is just like recipes. No one is playing together at the same time. Everyone is adding virtual instruments that don't exist onto a drum machine that somebody programed and you can tell it in the music out now.There is no mojo. There is nobody testifying. There is not the magic of a human performance--which is never perfect. And the magic of the human performance is what we all know and love in the records by the way they were made."

Your thoughts?

Joe Walsh testifying on Daryl's House:

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There's still non-electronic up and coming music today. There are still profits to be made in tours, merchandise, and non-traditional label profit heavy ways of making money.

Gary Clark Jr. is a great example of a young upstart blues rock musician that can still make some waves in the industry today. Sure it's not the mainstream pop anymore, but mainstream has always been subject to the ebb and flow of ever-changing trends and opinions.

StillNoStanfurdium;842281269 said:

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There's still non-electronic up and coming music today. There are still profits to be made in tours, merchandise, and non-traditional label profit heavy ways of making money.

Gary Clark Jr. is a great example of a young upstart blues rock musician that can still make some waves in the industry today. Sure it's not the mainstream pop anymore, but mainstream has always been subject to the ebb and flow of ever-changing trends and opinions.

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I saw T Bone Burnett interviewed briefly during his Saturday round at the AT&T Pebble Beach golf tournament. He knows a thing or two about music and opined that today's young musicians are "so much better" than the musicians starting out when he was young.

StillNoStanfurdium;842281269 said:

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...Gary Clark Jr. is a great example of a young upstart blues rock musician that can still make some waves in the industry today...

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Ironically, Joe Walsh and Gary Clark, Jr. played While My Guitar Gently Weeps at the CBS Beatles Tribute last Sunday.



I still say one of the best covers of that song was with Clapton (McCartney, Ringo, and Dhani Harrison) at the Concert for George (I believe Clapton played lead on the original version on the White Album):

bearister;842281384 said:

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I still say one of the best covers of that song was with Clapton (McCartney, Ringo, and Dhani Harrison) at the Concert for George (I believe Clapton played lead on the original version on the White Album):

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That's the one with the epic Prince guitar solo, right?

okaydo;842281388 said:

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That's the one with the epic Prince guitar solo, right?

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Not the one bearister linked. The Prince solo is from the 2004 Hall of Fame induction:



That rendition is also spectacular. Prince comes in and just owns the room. I'm still confused about where his guitar goes after he takes it off and throws it in the air. Was it always tied to something hanging from the rafters? Does Prince just play with that connected guitar?

okaydo;842281388 said:

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That's the one with the epic Prince guitar solo, right?

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No, the Prince solo was at the 2004 Hall of Fame Inductions:



The Concert for George was in 2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_for_George

StillNoStanfurdium;842281396 said:

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Not the one bearister linked. The Prince solo is from the 2004 Hall of Fame induction:



That rendition is also spectacular. Prince comes in and just owns the room. I'm still confused about where his guitar goes after he takes it off and throws it in the air. Was it always tied to something hanging from the rafters? Does Prince just play with that connected guitar?

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bearister;842281398 said:

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No, the Prince solo was at the 2004 Hall of Fame Inductions:



The Concert for George was in 2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_for_George

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Thanks for clearing that up...I've always wondered if Tom Petty found Prince's solo annoying.

bearister;842281398 said:

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No, the Prince solo was at the 2004 Hall of Fame Inductions:

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That was great! :bravo

I also really like Jeff Lynne's vocal performance on his parts here. Fits the song well.

sycasey;842281404 said:

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That was great! :bravo

I also really like Jeff Lynne's vocal performance on his parts here. Fits the song well.

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Lynne also did a remarkable job singing what was Roy Orbison's vocals portion of Handle with Care at the Concert for George:



Concert for George is an album/CD/download that you will play a lot (except for the Indian music disc):

bearister;842280161 said:

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...and on a related note:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_25095616/beatles-took-america-by-storm-50-years-ago.html

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"Downloaded" is a great documentary on the rise and fall of Napster:

http://on.aol.com/video/downloaded---full-documentary-film-517844258

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I just quickly perused this post.