wifeisafurd;842295039 said:

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Town, White, Barnett, Waller, Jones, Buncom are all rated higher by at least one service. Rosen doesn't even make Maxpreps top 100. so yes, there is unreal level of QB talent out there this year, and not everyone is in love with Rosen. My bet is White to Cal. My other bet is Rosen spends a lot more time on the UCLA bench is they recruit a dual QB. The UCLA OC really likes dual QBs.

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it was weird that they offered another 4* DTQB just today while he was visiting UCLA. did Rosen know they were trying to take another QB?

Captain Obvious;842295042 said:

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Scout and 247 Sports has Town #1, Rosen #2. Rivals and ESPN has Rosen #1, Town #2. Maxpreps? White, Waller, Barnett and Jones are good QB's but they are not better than Town or Rosen. I do agree that this is the best QB class in years and a lot of programs are going to end up with a good QB prospect this year. White and his #1 target Trent Irvin would be a great pick-up for Cal.

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say Maxwell is the best Cali QB, and if he does go to Bama, Rivals and Scout don't be shocked if Scout makes him no. 1 since that is how they roll. Real deep class, and the ratings will change.

wifeisafurd;842295053 said:

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say Maxwell is the best Cali QB, and if he does go to Bama, Rivals and Scout don't be shocked if Scout makes him no. 1 since that is how they roll. Real deep class, and the ratings will change.

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this is true. last year, nobody gave Browning the time of day despite his 6000yds passing. now he's a rival250, top247 whatever qb. why? b/c offers came through--and he doesn't even really do those camp circuits. these rankings are all very fluid.

okaydo;842294902 said:

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I hate to say it, but seems like a really good guy with his head screwed on right.

beeasyed;842295056 said:

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this is true. last year, nobody gave Browning the time of day despite his 6000yds passing. now he's a rival250, top247 whatever qb. why? b/c offers came through--and he doesn't even really do those camp circuits. these rankings are all very fluid.

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Why is Browning ranked so low with those stats, team performance, and good tape? I don't get it.

Small program. Low exposure. Hasn't done much camping. All probably changes this year

okaydo;842294834 said:

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4.8?!?

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Dude's going to Brooklyn?

LB Press Telegram reported today he had Michigan and Cal as his other choices. Must like navy and gold, but that putrid pale blue and yellow?

beeasyed;842295056 said:

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this is true. last year, nobody gave Browning the time of day despite his 6000yds passing. now he's a rival250, top247 whatever qb. why? b/c offers came through--and he doesn't even really do those camp circuits. these rankings are all very fluid.

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The Rivals national guys are talking up this incredible Cali/Washington QB class and Browning is being mentioned, as well as Rypien (sp?) from Washington, with all the highly rated usual suspects. There literally are 7 or 8 guys Rivals says are in the top 10 QBs in the nation, and they include Browning as one of them.

wifeisafurd;842295114 said:

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The Rivals national guys are talking up this incredible Cali/Washington QB class and Browning is being mentioned, as well as Rypien (sp?) from Washington, with all the highly rated usual suspects. There literally are 7 or 8 guys Rivals says are in the top 10 QBs in the nation, and they include Browning as one of them.

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This is the year of QBs from the West. There are at least 10 guys in the top 15 in my book from the West.

MoragaBear;842295393 said:

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First, White doesn't have a Stanford offer. Doesn't mean he won't get one but he's probably likely to make a decision fairly soon and with his having camped at Stanford and still not having an offer, I doubt it's a foregone conclusion that he'll automatically head there if he gets one.

White likes Cal a lot, so it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up with Cal.

Browning likes Cal a lot, too, and he'll be deciding within the next month.

As for Rosen, obviously Cal liked him a lot. He was their first offer. But they don't see him as significantly better than White or Browning. They'd be very happy with a commitment from either. Browning visited this week and Cal moved up a lot with him in the process.

As for Rosen's reported gpa, how can anyone have a 4.8? Wouldn't virtually every class you take need to be an AP class to have a gpa that high? Does SJB have that comprehensive an offering of AP classes? And he obviously would need straight A's for that. There's no room for a B anywhere with a 4.8.

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4.8 is very doable these days. It was even pretty doable when I was in high school (graduated in 2000). If you have 6 classes, and 5 of them are AP, and you get all A's - you have a 4.83.

Cal's 2013 AVERAGE GPA for incoming freshman was 4.37. I couldn't find the high end, but I did find stats for Harvard - the highest GPA for an admitted student at Harvard for 2013 was 5.00.

So, it's definitely doable. I'll take him at his word - sounds like a very smart and hardworking kid.

grandmastapoop;842295397 said:

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So, it's definitely doable. I'll take him at his word - sounds like a very smart and hardworking kid.

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exactly. why does it even matter? so what if it was actually a 4.6 instead of a 4.8--doesn't make Rosen any less sought after as a student-athlete.

no need to downplay the disappointment associated with Cal being out of contention for him after last season, even if we can still land another QB just as good. we would've been very happy with Josh.

MoragaBear;842295402 said:

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The comment about the gpa was an aside and had nothing to do with downplaying not getting Rosen. I've always been skeptical when I've heard of gpa's near 5.0. We're in a very strong school district here and none of the schools offer enough AP classes to obtain a 4.8 gpa over 2 1/2 years so it was always confusing to me to hear of those that had gpa's near 5.

There was no disrespect to Rosen's athletic ability or Cal's desire to get him in the post at all. But to believe that he's head an shoulders or even significantly ahead of White and Browning would be an exaggeration IMO. Feel free to disagree, as I'm sure you will but don't attribute it to sour grapes.

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I don't understand how you can have a 5.0 gpa unless you throw out freshman year grades. I know UC's don't count those but privates do. Even then, there are only 2 AP English classes, (honors don't count as 5.0), and everybody needs to take some form of PE and last I checked there was no AP PE.

concernedparent;842295406 said:

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I don't understand how you can have a 5.0 gpa unless you throw out freshman year grades. I know UC's don't count those but privates do. Even then, there are only 2 AP English classes, (honors don't count as 5.0), and everybody needs to take some form of PE and last I checked there was no AP PE.

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You can take classes to satisfy requirements at local JCs. I knew kids who got their PE credit at the JC, and then the PE class does not count toward their GPA. This is not limited to PE, of course.

The super-high gpas make me laugh. Grade inflation is rampant to the point where gpas really don't matter much anymore. The % of high school grads who cannot read or write or do math effectively has risen so much over the years. And teachers want to be popular too and don't want to butt heads with upset parents and be accused of lowering the self-esteem of students. Community colleges report that most of their students should be taking remedial courses. Throw in the favortism probably given to BMOC like Rosen, and A's come easy even when their attention is focused on football and the lucrative careers that lie ahead.

tenplay;842295433 said:

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The super-high gpas make me laugh. Grade inflation is rampant to the point where gpas really don't matter much anymore. The % of high school grads who cannot read or write or do math effectively has risen so much over the years. And teachers want to be popular too and don't want to butt heads with upset parents and be accused of lowering the self-esteem of students. Community colleges report that most of their students should be taking remedial courses. Throw in the favortism probably given to BMOC like Rosen, and A's come easy even when their attention is focused on football and the lucrative careers that lie ahead.

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Alleged "grade inflation" aside, it appears that Rosen and other players with "high" GPAs are indeed disciplined students who should, and probably will, work diligently on getting an education as well as playing football.

tenplay;842295433 said:

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The super-high gpas make me laugh. Grade inflation is rampant to the point where gpas really don't matter much anymore. The % of high school grads who cannot read or write or do math effectively has risen so much over the years. And teachers want to be popular too and don't want to butt heads with upset parents and be accused of lowering the self-esteem of students. Community colleges report that most of their students should be taking remedial courses. Throw in the favortism probably given to BMOC like Rosen, and A's come easy even when their attention is focused on football and the lucrative careers that lie ahead.

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You made me lol. You are comparing apples (smart, hard working kids who get high GPAs in part because of AP classes) and oranges (kids who cannot read and write). What a bizarre post.

grandmastapoop;842295410 said:

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You can take classes to satisfy requirements at local JCs. I knew kids who got their PE credit at the JC, and then the PE class does not count toward their GPA. This is not limited to PE, of course.

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In other words, the Kid probably had Tiger Parents at some point.

One flaw in the whole AP deal is that you can get your A and 5.0 and still flunk the AP placement or conversely take the AP placement without taking the AP course and ace it. A lot depends on your peer group. Cal I know doesn't allow credit unless you score well on the test but that still means the grade point may be bogus.

MoragaBear;842295402 said:

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There was no disrespect to Rosen's athletic ability or Cal's desire to get him in the post at all. But to believe that he's head an shoulders or even significantly ahead of White and Browning would be an exaggeration IMO. Feel free to disagree, as I'm sure you will but don't attribute it to sour grapes.

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I have not once in this thread, or any other, said Rosen was significantly better than our other 2 candidates White or Browning. And in fact, in my last post, i thought it was likely we would land someone almost or just as good.

The reality is that Cal is very lucky that 1) the QB class is extremely deep this year, and 2) the QBs from the West are academically-oriented, and one's from our backyard.

I don't really see a point in continually saying Rosen's is overrated. Point is, he would be a huge get for Cal, and the fact that the talent gap between Rosen and White and Browning may be very small does not matter. We wanted Rosen #1. There's no reason to spin it any other way.

That said, we are very fortunate to be strongly in the running for 2 guys that may be just as good and productive.

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[COLOR="Navy"]1. Josh Rosen[/COLOR]
190/277 (68.6%) 3200 yds, 39:7 (TD:INT)
67 carries, 416 yds, 8 TDs

4* Jaleel Wadood (2014 recruit)
2039 APY
73 catches, 1293 yds, 20 TDs
461 kick return yds
152 punt return yes

4* WR Shay Fields (2014 recruit)
82 catches, 1617 yds, 18 TDs

Sean McGrew (2015 recruit)
203 carries, 2076 yds, 21 TDs

OL:
5* Viane Talamaivao (2014 recruit)
5* Damien Mama (2014 recruit)
3* Matthew Katnik (2015 recruit)
Javier De Los Santos (Notre Dame walk-on)
Emery Sefo
Elijah Zabludoff

Off Bench
4* Zach Robertson (2015 recruit)


[COLOR="Blue"]2. Jake Browning[/COLOR]
440/579 (76%) 5737 yds, 75:17 (TD:INT)
27 carries, 52 yds, 6 TDs

WR Will McClure
97 catches, 1656 yds, 23 TDs

WR Josiah Deguara
1131 yds, 15 TDs

RB Bailey Laolagi
66 carries, 615 yds, 11 TDs [no strong run game at Folsom]

OL:
4* Cody Creason (D1 prospect on that line)
Sam Whitney
Will Koch
Jarod Nooner
Nick Bolling


[COLOR="DarkRed"]3. Brady White[/COLOR]
333/524 (63.5%) 4535 yds, 41:18 (TD:INT)
149 carries, 320 yds, 9 TDs

WR 4* Trent Irwin (2015 recruit)
76 catches, 1456 yds, 19 TDs

RB Connor Wingenroth
197 carries, 1698 yds, 21 TDs

OL:
Erik Stafford (real smart dude though)
Blake Porter
Stephen Simon

If the offense starts with the offensive line, then it's clear why Rosen has a clear advantage. His sophomore 5'7 RB ran for ~2100 yds in a tough league, that's not by accident. Every school has its very productive WRs, but Rosen had special guys in Fields and Wadood.

Folsom is the only school without an outstanding RB. Rushing was split among 2-3 guys, Laologi was the most productive option. They dominated their season, getting manhandled only by--none other than--De La Salle. Same team that lost to SJB. This makes Browning's passing stats even more impressive to me.

None of these guys are really mobile QBs. [Rosen runs a 5.03 official 40, White is ~4.8] I chalk up Rosen's large runs to excellent blocking up front and knowing how to exploit lapses in coverage due to his numerous weapons on offense.

Someone that knows throwing technique please chime in, but from what I've seen, Brady has some unorthodox throws. Maybe that's not the right word, but I've seen a few clips where he side-arms and flings the ball--don't get me wrong, they're all during clutch situations. Just not a typical throw.

The issue is that each school does well in its own conference, but are exposed when matched against the truly elite teams. I do prefer a kid who has played in a tougher conference, even if he has more talent around him. QB is a very mentally challenging position; i would like someone who has played in high stakes games against similarly elite teams.

beeasyed;842294780 said:

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sure, some ppl like Town better. so what? he's still by far the most sought-after QB we have a shot with, and someone we had a GREAT shot with before this last season.



uhh yeah...that's what happens when you tell the schools you're not interested. especially when you've made it abundantly clear academics is a HUGE factor, and you're only considering Stanfurd, Cal, Michigan, and UCLA.

"passed" on him? please. if Rosen had any interest in Bama, i guarantee they offer him before Browning.

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has not been on Rosen for some time. He is one of the top QBs in the nation and had great academics and a connection (Treggs) so they were interested at one time, but it takes two to tango, so White has been Sonny's focus for some time now, and the coaching staff also likes Browning a lot. Both these guys are very interested in Cal.

With so many good QBs this year, its tough to say by the end of their senior year, show cases like Elite 11 coming and the other things that impact ratings (like if you commit to a power like Alabama or SC), where the guys all wind-up in the pecking order. For all I know the Washington kid is rated number 1 by Scout because he is from Washington, thank you Fetters. I don't think anyone is saying Rosen isn't very very good, just that there is a lot of competition this year, and ratings likely will change, as they always seem to.

wifeisafurd;842295521 said:

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has not been on Rosen for some time. He is one of the top QBs in the nation and had great academics and a connection (Treggs) so they were interested at one time, but it takes two to tango, so White has been Sonny's focus for some time now, and the coaching staff also likes Browning a lot. Both these guys are very interested in Cal.

With so many good QBs this year, its tough to say by the end of their senior year, show cases like Elite 11 coming and the other things that impact ratings (like if you commit to a power like Alabama or SC), where the guys all wind-up in the pecking order. For all I know the Washington kid is rated number 1 by Scout because he is from Washington, thank you Fetters. I don't think anyone is saying Rosen isn't very very good, just that there is a lot of competition this year, and ratings likely will change, as they always seem to.

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i agree. when you're in the top group of a whole recruiting year, there isn't really much difference in the Rivals250, Scout300, or Top247. a lot of arbitrary movement going on.

my post you quoted was about people asking why some schools backed off Rosen. my point was it's not that schools like Bama are more interested in Browning than Rosen, as much as Rosen never really giving them reciprocal interest.

as far as name recognition and camps go, Browning, to my knowledge, doesn't even participate in any of those dime a dozen 7 on 7 things. Brady attended one of those E11 regional competitions...I think. Rosen, as we know, has generated the most pub from attending SJB and doing all of those camp circuits. the staff has known about Browning for a looong time. Franklin has seen him at Cal camp last season.

beeasyed;842295487 said:

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Someone that knows throwing technique please chime in, but from what I've seen, Brady has some unorthodox throws. Maybe that's not the right word, but I've seen a few clips where he side-arms and flings the ball--don't get me wrong, they're all during clutch situations. Just not a typical throw.

The issue is that each school does well in its own conference, but are exposed when matched against the truly elite teams. I do prefer a kid who has played in a tougher conference, even if he has more talent around him. QB is a very mentally challenging position; i would like someone who has played in high stakes games against similarly elite teams.

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He defaults to a 3/4 quarter release. I'm not a fan of that motion nor am I a fan of how low he holds the ball. I know what the first thing Tedford would tell him to do... Even if his mechanics aren't ideal he's accurate enough and his release is fast, faster than Rosen's. Haven't studied enough of Browning to compare.

MoragaBear;842295393 said:

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Browning likes Cal a lot, too, and he'll be deciding within the next month.

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Browning committed to Washington this morning