http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/No-charges-in-incident-that-hospitalized-Cal-5335584.php

Uh oh, here we go!.......

in before freshfunk!

NYCGOBEARS;842294856 said:

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Uh oh, here we go!.......

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So the ADA is in on the conspiracy too?

LACalFan;842294860 said:

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in before freshfunk!

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Hahaha

The small case for f. hale reeks of coverup

socaliganbear;842294863 said:

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So the ADA is in on the conspiracy too?

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LOL.....I'm not an attorney but if there is punishment being administered, can we stop using "allegedly".....:p

Cal_Fan2;842294871 said:

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LOL.....I'm not an attorney but if there is punishment being administered, can we stop using "allegedly".....:p

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Allegedly the Chronicle is now staffed with a bunch of monkeys. Allegedly.

Strykur;842294877 said:

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Allegedly the Chronicle is now staffed with a bunch of monkeys. Allegedly.

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Now?

They specifically refer to the perp as "a cal football player" without naming him (or her), which I take to mean a "player" in the Cal football program, i.e. Barbour, Dykes or Buh. As for the latter, is it perhaps more than a coincidence that he is gradually, step-by-step being eased out of Cal football, perhaps in hopes that this whole thing will blow over?

Really, when you factor in the GSR, the APR, the 1-11 and the missing airliner in this whole conspiracy, is it any wonder why we have been unable to capitalize on the state-of-the-art facilities yet?

The suspended player's attorney, Darryl Stallworth----

Darryl played safety for Cal ---IIRC he was #43.

Cal_Fan2;842294871 said:

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LOL.....I'm not an attorney but if there is punishment being administered, can we stop using "allegedly".....:p

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Henry K. Lee, the author of that article who has been covering the UCPD for nearly a quarter-century (for the Chron and Daily Cal), is one of the best in the biz in meticulously writing about crime. If he has an "allegedly" in there, or an "accused," there is probably a very good reason for it. I think you drop the "allegedly" when a case is legally settled.

Darryl was my classmate/teammate and a fellow DB. I don't recall with certainty but believe he wore #5 after Richard Rodgers graduated.

okaydo;842294891 said:

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Henry K. Lee, the author of that article who has been covering the UCPD for nearly a quarter-century (for the Chron and Daily Cal), is one of the best in the biz in meticulously writing about crime. If he has an "allegedly" in there, or an "accused," there is probably a very good reason for it. I think you drop the "allegedly" when a case is legally settled.

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The suspended player, who has not been identified, allegedly injured Fabiano Hale, 18, during a Nov. 1 incident at a Cal athletic facility adjacent to Memorial Stadium.

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Question for you Okaydo: One thing that always bugs me is when "allegedly" is used to describe a committing of an act that is not in dispute. In many cases the act itself is not disputed by the accused. It's the crime that is always alleged until there is a conviction or admission of guilt. So why is alleged used so often to describe the act even when the act itself is not disputed. In this case no one ever disputed that the suspended player is the one who injured Hale.

This is ultimately Dykes fault,

There.. freshfunk does not need to jump in anymore..

TouchedTheAxeIn82;842294904 said:

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Question for you Okaydo: One thing that always bugs me is when "allegedly" is used to describe a committing of an act that is not in dispute. In many cases the act itself is not disputed by the accused. It's the crime that is always alleged until there is a conviction or admission of guilt. So why is alleged used so often to describe the act even when the act itself is not disputed. In this case no one ever disputed that the suspended player is the one who injured Hale.

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This is the best explanation I could find:
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/01/why-do-writers-use-allegedly-when-we-all-just-know-someones-guilty.html


I think the point is that, what if criminal charges are brought againt the player? And what if he's found not guilty? What if, in a courtroom setting, this whole story takes a different turn? If he's found not guilty, then the Chron would be opening itself to libel charges if it had not used "allegedly" and "accused" and any of those special words.

Isn't there a police report on this? And won't it become public? Or does someone have to be charged first?

okaydo;842294913 said:

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This is the best explanation I could find:
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/01/why-do-writers-use-allegedly-when-we-all-just-know-someones-guilty.html

I think the point is that, what if criminal charges are brought againt the player? And what if he's found not guilty? What if, in a courtroom setting, this whole story takes a different turn? If he's found not guilty, then the Chron would be opening itself to libel charges if it had not used "allegedly" and "accused" and any of those special words.

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That article doesn't address my question. The crime is always alleged until there is a conviction, but often the act is not in dispute. The perfect example is the Oscar Pistorius case. Oscar Pistorius killed Reeva Steenkamp. This is an act, and it is not in dispute. You don't have to say allegedly killed because he admitted firing the gun. What is alleged is that he committed the crime of murder.

In the Hale case, the suspended player "allegedly" injured Hale. Injuring someone is an act and there is no disputing that the suspended player is the one who injured Hale. The only thing alleged is whether a crime such as battery occurred.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Hale kick some butt in spring practice. I'm glad he's still on the team and well enough to be listed on the spring roster.

heartofthebear;842294945 said:

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I'm really looking forward to seeing Hale kick some butt in spring practice. I'm glad he's still on the team and well enough to be listed on the spring roster.

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not that im not happy that he seems to have made a full recovery but if hale has a big spring, id say our defense hasnt made the strides we're hoping they make under kaufman

gobears725;842294948 said:

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not that im not happy that he seems to have made a full recovery but if hale has a big spring, id say our defense hasnt made the strides we're hoping they make under kaufman

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You mean because he's not a good back in general or because he's not 100%.
He's one of the best backs ever to come out of Santa Cruz co. That's my county. I've decided to become a Hale fan OK?

heartofthebear;842294959 said:

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You mean because he's not a good back in general or because he's not 100%.
He's one of the best backs ever to come out of Santa Cruz co. That's my county. I've decided to become a Hale fan OK?

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haha oh not sweating that you like hale. just that hes not really a running back imo, at least for the college level, just doesnt have enough speed. he could be a nice weapon if he puts on some weight and switches positions to fullback though. its more that id be really worried about our D if hale is slicing through it.

hope he continues to make a full recovery. that was a messed up situation regardless of whether charges are brought, whos to blame or who gets in trouble for it.

gobears725;842294972 said:

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haha oh not sweating that you like hale. just that hes not really a running back imo, at least for the college level, just doesnt have enough speed. he could be a nice weapon if he puts on some weight and switches positions to fullback though. its more that id be really worried about our D if hale is slicing through it.

hope he continues to make a full recovery. that was a messed up situation regardless of whether charges are brought, whos to blame or who gets in trouble for it.

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Yeah, guys from Santa Cruz are not known for their speed, more for their pot.

Hale was "punished " by a fellow player for missing a practice ( otherwise why did the Chron put it in the paper?).

So there was this bearant supposedly lurking on this site about the time the Hale incident occurred, who said that Hale was going to transfer along with his/her son who was also a player. The bearant also gave a name of the perp who "punished" Hale in the locker room as well as the coach who called in "the hit". Is this bearant not around anymore and are the alleged conspirators never to be named publicly? Did anybody else come into such information and what do you think without naming names?

Strykur;842294877 said:

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Allegedly the Chronicle is now staffed with a bunch of monkeys. Allegedly.

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Since that fact has been proven, you can drop the "allegedly".

My source said the alleged attacker was

CALiforniALUM;842295006 said:

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So there was this bearant supposedly lurking on this site about the time the Hale incident occurred, who said that Hale was going to transfer along with his/her son who was also a player. The bearant also gave a name of the perp who "punished" Hale in the locker room as well as the coach who called in "the hit". Is this bearant not around anymore and are the alleged conspirators never to be named publicly? Did anybody else come into such information and what do you think without naming names?

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The "perp" was almost certainly a walk-on, about as well known as Hale, i.e. to most of us, the name will be meaningless.

Do we really need to know? What will we do, once we know?

CALiforniALUM;842295006 said:

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So there was this bearant supposedly lurking on this site about the time the Hale incident occurred, who said that Hale was going to transfer along with his/her son who was also a player. The bearant also gave a name of the perp who "punished" Hale in the locker room as well as the coach who called in "the hit". Is this bearant not around anymore and are the alleged conspirators never to be named publicly? Did anybody else come into such information and what do you think without naming names?

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The bearant you are referring to still posts on occasion. And I don't think it's ever been conclusively proved that "a hit" was called in. There are some that believe that the statement by a strength and conditioning coach that the team should "handle it in the locker room" was a clear signal for violent action, but I don't personally have that opinion.

This reminds me of the ww2 soldiers who killed Italian pow's in cold blood who then later claimed that because Patton told them that their battalion should strive to be killers who would be immortalized in battle, they took that as an order from the top to murder unarmed pow's.

Vandalus;842295054 said:

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The bearant you are referring to still posts on occasion. And I don't think it's ever been conclusively proved that "a hit" was called in. There are some that believe that the statement by a strength and conditioning coach that the team should "handle it in the locker room" was a clear signal for violent action, but I don't personally have that opinion.

This reminds me of the ww2 soldiers who killed Italian pow's in cold blood who then later claimed that because Patton told them that their battalion should strive to be killers who would be immortalized in battle, they took that as an order from the top to murder unarmed pow's.

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With so many of us knowing the name that was dropped and the conflicting information of his punishments, I think its about time we discussed it openly. This is a public forum and we are discussing a public case regarding a public school administering a public services punishment to a legal adult.

MODS: please explain rationally why we are not allowed to discuss who is serving 25 hours of community service, etc. for being involved in a physical altercation with a Cal football player. I am of the opinion we shoould be able to discuss this openly at this point.

Tedhead94;842295062 said:

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With so many of us knowing the name that was dropped and the conflicting information of his punishments, I think its about time we discussed it openly. This is a public forum and we are discussing a public case regarding a public school administering a public services punishment to a legal adult.

MODS: please explain rationally why we are not allowed to discuss who is serving 25 hours of community service, etc. for being involved in a physical altercation with a Cal football player. I am of the opinion we shoould be able to discuss this openly at this point.

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While they draft their response, I think you should explain why it matters. I do not know who the player is, and I do not care. I understand that some people know. What do you gain by discussing the name openly?

CALiforniALUM;842295006 said:

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So there was this bearant supposedly lurking on this site about the time the Hale incident occurred, who said that Hale was going to transfer along with his/her son who was also a player. The bearant also gave a name of the perp who "punished" Hale in the locker room as well as the coach who called in "the hit". Is this bearant not around anymore and are the alleged conspirators never to be named publicly? Did anybody else come into such information and what do you think without naming names?

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I don't know if there were multiple bearants around, but there was one who had posts/information that seemed to corroborate his... bearantness.
He never said Hale or his son was transferring though. He called out a separate transfer that proved out to be true.

I suppose one of our lawyers can chime in, but I would think the information should be public. I don't understand how this split works where the government is getting involved in a case but are saying that the internal punishment is enough. It seems strange to me that the DA would say he could still file charges, like on a whim.

I imagine things got more or less smoothed out in the locker room and Hale bought in to the punishment. I hope things are actually done because these guys need to focus just to become respectable in 2014.

grandmastapoop;842295064 said:

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While they draft their response, I think you should explain why it matters. I do not know who the player is, and I do not care. I understand that some people know. What do you gain by discussing the name openly?

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Simply put, I feel it provides the opportunity to either exonerate this players name in the eyes of some or allow for the player to exhibit penance through community service, etc. openly thereby rehabilitating himself to the fanbase.

I mean its not as if this was an event a young adult can't recover from and hale has obviously provided this opportunity by refusing to press any charges. I'd like to know if all of the conditions have been and are bsing met and that the staff is actively and honestly administering them. It allows for both the staff and player to show its commitment.