NLRB rules that Northwestern Players CAN unionize

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Darby;842297017 said:

They are virtually all special admits. They wouldn't even be in a lecture hall at Cal if not for said FB prowess.


Exactly, they don't value what the degree could do for their future. The QB from NW did mention they realize they are getting room and board. He also said he would like more academic support. Saying that some classes aren't available to athletes due to conflicts with practice. That I believe should be changed, but if someone is worried about getting hurt, take up another sport. Don't complain if you accept a football scholarship, meals, room and board n and argue that it's dangerous.
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Son-of-California;842296940 said:

It is a "full-ride" not a "free-ride". Student-athletes put in over 50 hours a week for their sport. Not to mention the untold hours they put in training in the summers and off season. Besides, some random student isn't going to potentially suffer from career ending injury or lifelong illness due to their pursuit of their degree. I'm not saying kids should be paid or unionized, but playing football isn't always the jackpot that many people seem to think it is.


i dont think the poster was saying anything about it being a jackpot. but he was exactly right, how many of these football players would get into schools like Cal, NU, stanford, etc if not for their unique skills playing football? i think the players deserve something, but more in the form of some sort of healthcare for those that suffer injuries and more rights when it comes to the ncaa making money off of them in things like video games, memorabilla etc. if paying football players leads to bankrupting athletic departments and cutting sports, then ill be done with watching this game and i imagine that the harder they push the more fans will follow. im not interested in minor league football and if thats what it becomes then ill find something else to watch
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beelzebear;842296972 said:

You know what, if CFB as we know it dies off because of this...so be it. The contradiction between multi-billion dollar industry with HCs getting paid $2m/yr in power conferences and players getting an education but with heavy restrictions is too much of a disparity to ignore. I wouldn't like this but stuff happens.

My guess, given what the NU players are requesting, is a compromise will happen. Players will get paid to cover living expenses (stipends, maybe work-study), they'll get some kind of post-career medical and better support getting a degree after they finish playing...but they will NOT become rich off the deal. They also might be able to control their image and pursue other opportunities but it's not going to be "professional" FB.

Any way, someone smart and savvy will figure out there's a niche to be had...a true minor league/development league, aiming at being sold to the NFL in 12-15 years.


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6. This will really help private schools since they aren't reporting financials now. While Cal AD is paying UC for the tuition costs schools like SC or Stanford do not have to report if they do the same.
What if their athletes have been getting "free" tuition, no cost to the AD. Private schools could then pay their athlete employees the same wage support as other Div 1 schools plus the market value of the non-disclosed tuition. And they won't have to disclose their finances. The player choosing between Cal/Stanford, Michigan/Notre Dame, LSU/Tulane might have that decison tilted in favor of receiving an additional $50K a year from the private school.

briloker;842296963 said:

This is intriguing as I did not expect this outcome, even at this stage. But assuming this decision were to be upheld, what would be the unintended consequences of such a ruling:

1. Football players are employees that are compensated for their employment as athletes... does this mean that they will need to report such "income" to the IRS and pay income taxes on the full value of their compensation (up to 70k+ a year at some private institutions)... Still much cheaper than paying what the other students are paying, but are athletes going to chose cheaper options when they are still on the hook for 15-20% of the cost of tuition in the form of income tax. This may even preclude some poor athletes from going to school at all.

2. Athletes lose amateur status and any school with athletes on athletic scholarship is not eligible to compete as part of the NCAA with said athletes... Harvard wins the first NCAA playoff!

3. NCAA member institutions choose to drop athletic scholarships entirely, only providing academic scholarships to students that are not dependent on athletic performance. Athletes can use their athletic talents to get into a school and then drop off the team, while being guaranteed to remain on scholarship at a university they could not otherwise be accepted at.

4. Pay negotiated as part of collective bargaining forces ADs to drop all non-revenue sports in order to stay financially viable. Most mens sports and all but a few women's sports are dropped to club level in order to stay compliant with title IX

5. ADs drop D1 collegiate athletics entirely, only supporting club programs that are minimally funded by the universities.


This is a pretty interesting thing to think about, and while I think some of the more extreme examples of the result of this ruling would be averted by a change in the laws explicitly voted on by Congress to carve out an exemption for college athletes, it is fun to think about the effects of such a ruling.
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59bear;842296932 said:

I can't see colleges (well, maybe the SEC) being willing to accept athletes as employees so I think some action to preclude that result will occur. Since one of the key points in the decision was that the scholarships are "dependent on performance", perhaps just making all scholarships fully guaranteed would change the status.


I encourage you to read the ruling. It would take much more than a guarantee of full athletic scholarships to change the landscape. It would also require a drastic curtailment in the number of hours spent on football and treatment of football players similar to that of academic students to change the facts of the case.

Today's ruling nudged the NFL towards creating a minor league for college age players or possibly NCAA institutions going all in on the concept of an employer-employee relationship and ending the farce of the "student-athlete" concept for football players.

Either way, today's ruling has set the stage for big changes in the college football landscape, and in college athletics.
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ayetee11;842296944 said:

The maybe they should get a academic scholarship instead and quit crying.


Unbelievable.
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Deutsch;842296990 said:

Not so fast. I don't see football supporting anything but non-revenue sports. It's not as if this was some kind of gold mine for colleges who are lavishing in the "profits" and throwing money around the university as a result.


Football supporting non-revenue sports is not the issue, here. It's the employer-employee relationship, period. Or more accurately, the employer acknowledging that there exists an employer-employee relationship.

Anything else is misdirection and obfuscation.
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Darby;842297017 said:

They are virtually all special admits. They wouldn't even be in a lecture hall at Cal if not for said FB prowess.


Exactly the players' point.
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ayetee11;842297023 said:

Exactly, they don't value what the degree could do for their future. The QB from NW did mention they realize they are getting room and board. He also said he would like more academic support. Saying that some classes aren't available to athletes due to conflicts with practice. That I believe should be changed, but if someone is worried about getting hurt, take up another sport. Don't complain if you accept a football scholarship, meals, room and board n and argue that it's dangerous.


Anything to support your habit for college football, right?

I think that college football players would love to be students first and athletes second. You know, just like the "student-athlete" label that so many folks are so eager to hang on them.

It's absolutely clear that the NLRB believes that college football players are athletes first and students second. Just like the coaches, the administrators, and the players themselves.
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GB54;842296950 said:

My point is that a kid at Stanford or Northwestern can get lifetime benefits because he will graduate with a prestigious degree that will mean lifelong earnings. It's the kid at Miss State who gets neither a degree or to the NFL that is exploited


A distinction with little difference. The little difference is that the Stanf*rd or Northwestern student often has the academic background to actually earn the degree.
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This is going to be one huge problem.

First, the obvious issues with Title IX. What this does is essentially eliminate football from the calculation of title IX, since they are no longer scholar athletes, but entertainers provided for the fans by the university. The University is therefore not required to "balance" the system by providing equal access to females - equal access only applies to scholarships.

Second, how will the NCAA allow this to move forward - what are the rules? If they have a salary cap, then a school like Cal could go ahead an pay it's players $60,000 per year, same as USC. The difference is, at Cal, you can actually make 25 grand a year after expenses with that kind of salary. So the lower cost, public schools would have an advantage. If they only allow a scholarship in the amount of the actual tuition, then the benefit would also be to the State schools, since the student athlete would not have to pay the income tax on the much higher amount of benefit.

Since they are employees, they now would have to be subject to overtime rules, travel restrictions, workers comp, employer liability, etc. Huge costs issues for the employer, now borne by the University.

Since the NLRB says that football athletes who requested this review are employees, the logical conclusion is that all athletes are employees. The University would be required to offer Workers comp, pay payroll taxes, etc for all employees, and the employees would have to pay income tax on that revenue. The value of the scholarships for all athletes are now taxable income to them, and need to be taxed. Since most of these folks would have no ability to actually pay the tax unless the total cash given is much more than the actual value of the scholarship, then there would be a huge problem.

Also, since these are now employees, and the athletic department is clearly a entertainment enterprise, and not part of an educational system, it seems likely that the non-profit status of the enterprise is the next thing to fall. Any donations would likely be not deductible as this would not be a non-profit under the law.

In short, they are saying that student athletes are employees.

So for any student athlete who does not get full scholarships, but is working 30 to 40 hours per week on their craft, and is not getting paid minimum wage (and, now also required to be covered under the university health policy, thanks to Obamacare which defines full time as 30 hours) then they should be agitating for minimum wage benefits. That would be for all athletes, under the idea that they are working for the University as athletes. Football is not the only place where you find athletes.

This is essentially the end of college athletics as we know it.

But here is the fun part. My son who plays High school football, and works about 15 hours per week on the craft year round - why does he not qualify for minimum wage and workers compensation? The coach is not a teacher at the school - it is a private institution - just like at Northwestern. There is little in the way of academic tutoring, etc related to the football program. Does this extend to high school kids as well - meaning that they are employees also? I think it does. If the NLRB says that college football players are employees then any football player is an employee. If they say that football players are employees then any athlete is an employee. I think he should demand a minimum wage.

I can hardly wait for all of the law suit requesting back pay, time off for breaks, etc.

This will kill athletics.
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ColoradoBear1;842296961 said:


Hell, if there is a federal ruling that says receiving money for playing a sport makes one an employee, why wouldn't schools just terminate sports that don't generate revenue.


An antidote to this line of thinking: cut back the hours devoted to football so that the preponderance of hours of a football player would be as athletes. Also, according to the ruling, schools would also have to treat football players just like students and not impose special rules and living requirements. And then, schools would also have to show that they also grant scholarships based on academic achievement, not athletic prowess and that the football players were supervised by academic faculty, not athletic faculty. Then they'd be students who happen to play football, not football players who happen to attend a university.
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FiatSlug;842297282 said:

An antidote to this line of thinking: cut back the hours devoted to football so that the preponderance of hours of a football player would be as athletes. Also, according to the ruling, schools would also have to treat football players just like students and not impose special rules and living requirements. And then, schools would also have to show that they also grant scholarships based on academic achievement, not athletic prowess and that the football players were supervised by academic faculty, not athletic faculty. Then they'd be students who happen to play football, not football players who happen to attend a university.


For those who have read the ruling could the NCAA/ nu help its cause by making the scholarships four year guarantees with no ability to revoke for non academic reasons? I will post longer tomorrow but also note that this follows past NLRB and court rulings on employee status of teaching assistants and research assissants.
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Who is going to police this salary cap? Right now the NCAA doesn't know if the USC AD is paying the full tuition for football players. As a private institution those finances are not open to scrutiny. Private school tuition is only higher if the football program actually pays for it. While Cal would have to account for the tuition paid for it's players, don't expect SC or Stanford to be as open. They might let their players keep the whole $60K you suggest.
As long as private schools keep their finances secret, this development will likely to be to their advantage.


Oski87;842297280 said:

This is going to be one huge problem.

First, ...

Second, how will the NCAA allow this to move forward - what are the rules? If they have a salary cap, then a school like Cal could go ahead an pay it's players $60,000 per year, same as USC. The difference is, at Cal, you can actually make 25 grand a year after expenses with that kind of salary. So the lower cost, public schools would have an advantage. If they only allow a scholarship in the amount of the actual tuition, then the benefit would also be to the State schools, since the student athlete would not have to pay the income tax on the much higher amount of benefit.

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This will kill athletics.
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Oski87;842297280 said:

This is going to be one huge problem.

First, the obvious issues with Title IX. What this does is essentially eliminate football from the calculation of title IX, since they are no longer scholar athletes, but entertainers provided for the fans by the university. The University is therefore not required to "balance" the system by providing equal access to females - equal access only applies to scholarships.

Second, how will the NCAA allow this to move forward - what are the rules? If they have a salary cap, then a school like Cal could go ahead an pay it's players $60,000 per year, same as USC. The difference is, at Cal, you can actually make 25 grand a year after expenses with that kind of salary. So the lower cost, public schools would have an advantage. If they only allow a scholarship in the amount of the actual tuition, then the benefit would also be to the State schools, since the student athlete would not have to pay the income tax on the much higher amount of benefit.

Since they are employees, they now would have to be subject to overtime rules, travel restrictions, workers comp, employer liability, etc. Huge costs issues for the employer, now borne by the University.

Since the NLRB says that football athletes who requested this review are employees, the logical conclusion is that all athletes are employees. The University would be required to offer Workers comp, pay payroll taxes, etc for all employees, and the employees would have to pay income tax on that revenue. The value of the scholarships for all athletes are now taxable income to them, and need to be taxed. Since most of these folks would have no ability to actually pay the tax unless the total cash given is much more than the actual value of the scholarship, then there would be a huge problem.

Also, since these are now employees, and the athletic department is clearly a entertainment enterprise, and not part of an educational system, it seems likely that the non-profit status of the enterprise is the next thing to fall. Any donations would likely be not deductible as this would not be a non-profit under the law.

In short, they are saying that student athletes are employees.

So for any student athlete who does not get full scholarships, but is working 30 to 40 hours per week on their craft, and is not getting paid minimum wage (and, now also required to be covered under the university health policy, thanks to Obamacare which defines full time as 30 hours) then they should be agitating for minimum wage benefits. That would be for all athletes, under the idea that they are working for the University as athletes. Football is not the only place where you find athletes.

This is essentially the end of college athletics as we know it.

But here is the fun part. My son who plays High school football, and works about 15 hours per week on the craft year round - why does he not qualify for minimum wage and workers compensation? The coach is not a teacher at the school - it is a private institution - just like at Northwestern. There is little in the way of academic tutoring, etc related to the football program. Does this extend to high school kids as well - meaning that they are employees also? I think it does. If the NLRB says that college football players are employees then any football player is an employee. If they say that football players are employees then any athlete is an employee. I think he should demand a minimum wage.

I can hardly wait for all of the law suit requesting back pay, time off for breaks, etc.

This will kill athletics.


i agree if other football players at other school follow then it may not happen right away but college football is going to take a big time hit. id imagine ratings dropping significantly in 5 years when all the fighting, appeals, strike even, etc really starts to hit the fan. one way or another...
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beelzebear;842296947 said:

What's with all the hatters?

Yeah these guys get schollies but if you read the article and other reports, these guys are acknowledging they get scholarships but their point is they want some long term medical care for stuff like concussions and enough money to cover the full cost of going to school.

Asking for this stuff isn't crazy or outrageous given how much $$$ college football pulls in for the power conferences, admin and coaches...not to mention all the TV outlets. What is crazy is CFB is a multi-billion dollar industry based on amateur student, non-employees.

BTW, good for the NU student-athletes for applying their education to reality.


Asking for what? And, you believe them? This is Chicago. And, the NLRB. The hardest part of getting this ruling was getting their case before the NLRB. If the President's Cabinet got a claim before the NLRB, they'd be Teamsters before the month would be out.
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Oski87;842297280 said:



This will kill athletics.


That's the point. Backers have admitted as much in this very thread. In typical fashion they attack the status quo in FB/BB but don't have the courage to tell the other non revenue student athletes they don't care if they also lose their scholarships. At least they admitted it in this thread. Students as professional athlete employees is the end of athletic scholarships. Sorry boys and girls, better find another way to pay for college.
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Rushinbear;842297303 said:

Asking for what?


Your clue was the sentence before: "Asking for stuff like...." Then he gave examples. Try again.
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FiatSlug;842297276 said:

Anything to support your habit for college football, right?

I think that college football players would love to be students first and athletes second. You know, just like the "student-athlete" label that so many folks are so eager to hang on them.

It's absolutely clear that the NLRB believes that college football players are athletes first and students second. Just like the coaches, the administrators, and the players themselves.


Plus infinity.
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Good for the NU students. I hope they get compensated appropriately for the sacrifices they make.

We are all benefiting from their sacrifices.
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"I think that college football players would love to be students first and athletes second."
This might be (probably is) true for the 85-90% who have no shot at playing professionally but I suspect the vast majority of legitimate pro prospects would relish the opportunity to openly begin their pro careers in some sort of "auxiliary" role as a pseudo-student.
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59bear;842297349 said:

"I think that college football players would love to be students first and athletes second."
This might be (probably is) true for the 85-90% who have no shot at playing professionally but I suspect the vast majority of legitimate pro prospects would relish the opportunity to openly begin their pro careers in some sort of "auxiliary" role as a pseudo-student.


Or maybe they'd prefer to be in a minor league where they wouldn't have to go through the charade of being students. This is a huge development and I'm excited to see where things shake out. The status quo was patently unfair to the athletes who put themselves on the line and saw but a fraction of the money they generated.
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59bear;842297349 said:

"I think that college football players would love to be students first and athletes second."
This might be (probably is) true for the 85-90% who have no shot at playing professionally but I suspect the vast majority of legitimate pro prospects would relish the opportunity to openly begin their pro careers in some sort of "auxiliary" role as a pseudo-student.


We absolutely agree. The problem is that the current system is so full of money for a limited number of folks that they will fight to keep that system intact for as long as possible.

If, however, we were to be logical about it instead of greedy, the NCAA member institutions would integrate athletes into the student body in a way that address the points in the NLRB ruling AND the NFL would start their own minor leagues in a way that's similar to MLB.

Then, student-athletes in college football would be just that. Of course, that would also mean that schools would be nudged towards the Ivy League model.

I can smell the disgust from here.
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I'm sure we'd all agree that big changes are on the way. It'll be interesting to see whether some attempt to carve out a legislative exemption at the federal level comes to pass.
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FiatSlug;842297355 said:

We absolutely agree. The problem is that the current system is so full of money for a limited number of folks that they will fight to keep that system intact for as long as possible.

If, however, we were to be logical about it instead of greedy, the NCAA member institutions would integrate athletes into the student body in a way that address the points in the NLRB ruling AND the NFL would start their own minor leagues in a way that's similar to MLB.

Then, student-athletes in college football would be just that. Of course, that would also mean that schools would be nudged towards the Ivy League model.

I can smell the disgust from here.


The model already exists outside of the Ivy League. It's called Division III. And nobody pays to watch it. The end result of this pay for play fantasy is schools won't go DIII in football. They will simply drop the sport when the TV money dries up and it becomes economically unviable. Like UOP, SF State and others did in the past. Fail all around but those aiming to kill modern CFB care nothing about the collateral damage that will result.
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Darby;842297368 said:

The model already exists outside of the Ivy League. It's called Division III. And nobody pays to watch it. The end result of this pay for play fantasy is schools won't go DIII in football. They will simply drop the sport when the TV money dries up and it becomes economically unviable. Like UOP, SF State and others did in the past. Fail all around but those aiming to kill modern CFB care nothing about the collateral damage that will result.


Yes, IF (and that's a big IF) TV money dries up, plenty of current FBS schools will drop football altogether. Those most likely to drop football are school currently in the mid-major conferences.

I'm curious, though. What do you think the collateral damage would be in such a scenario?
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TheBears;842297318 said:

Your clue was the sentence before: "Asking for stuff like...." Then he gave examples. Try again.


Oh, sure. That's what the unions want for those kids. Medical care and pocket money.

One week from unionization, their "collective bargaining agent" will have the gold fillings from their teeth. And, they will then have to pay dues. And, they still won't have "stuff." And, they will no longer be their own man.

The current system sucks, largely because probably a majority of fb and bb student athletes nationally are not students and never wanted to be. In an effort to foster the charade and pay the bills, colleges are participating and in some cases fomenting the disparities. Many kids are in it with stars in their eyes and visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads. Minor leagues would cure most of it, once someone figures out how to pay off the bonds on the infrastructures.

That might be the one good thing about unions - they'll push the colleges to stop the madness. The ones who will be most hurt will be the small businesses that have grown up around each stadium and arena. What'd they do?
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ayetee11;842296942 said:

As employees, they would lose amateur status and be ineligible. That would be an awesome slap in the face.


Are COLLEGE football players (thinly disguised as students) at football factories really "amateurs"? Seriously.
Or are most apprentices (some paid under the table), vying for the chance to hit it big in the NFL, academics be damned?

The Olympics, bowing to the obvious, finally ended the "amateur" schtick.
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Rushinbear;842297373 said:

Oh, sure. That's what the unions want for those kids. Medical care and pocket money.

One week from unionization, their "collective bargaining agent" will have the gold fillings from their teeth. And, they will then have to pay dues. And, they still won't have "stuff." And, they will no longer be their own man.

The current system sucks, largely because probably a majority of fb and bb student athletes nationally are not students and never wanted to be. In an effort to foster the charade and pay the bills, colleges are participating and in some cases fomenting the disparities. Many kids are in it with stars in their eyes and visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads. Minor leagues would cure most of it, once someone figures out how to pay off the bonds on the infrastructures.

That might be the one good thing about unions - they'll push the colleges to stop the madness. The ones who will be most hurt will be the small businesses that have grown up around each stadium and arena. What'd they do?


One thing about unions: poor management creates them.
Kind of like "Noah's Ark: If it wasn't for the storm outside, people wouldn't stand for the stink inside.
Used that analogy to a union boss. Kind of pissed him off :p

Minor league football, loosely connected to universities which rent their stadiums to the teams ... fascinating concept.
Imagine the Washington State Cougars telling the university and the city of Pullman that if they don't build a new stadium, etc. that they'll move the team to Vancouver, WA and tap the Portland market.
Vancouver's Cougars has a nice ring to it ... works for pro sports.
The possibilities are delicious.
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Chris Kluwe writes about getting paid $10/page to write UCLA players' essays because he wasn't allowed to get a real job.

http://deadspin.com/i-was-going-to-write-a-big-piece-about-how-the-entire-s-1552927249/@barryap
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okaydo;842297411 said:

Chris Kluwe writes about getting paid $10/page to write UCLA players' essays because he wasn't allowed to get a real job.

http://deadspin.com/i-was-going-to-write-a-big-piece-about-how-the-entire-s-1552927249/@barryap

Lmfao to this response.

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(But seriously, thank you for sharing this and I couldn't agree more)
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okaydo;842297411 said:

Chris Kluwe writes about getting paid $10/page to write UCLA players' essays because he wasn't allowed to get a real job.

http://deadspin.com/i-was-going-to-write-a-big-piece-about-how-the-entire-s-1552927249/@barryap

Do football players never get help from their family or parents or loans or stuff? I knew plenty of people in college that weren't on a Football scholarship that takes care of room and board, got aid to pay for tuitition along with family support, didn't hold a job, and still managed not to starve.

Is Chris Kluwe from an extremely disadvantaged background? I don't want to make assumptions but given the high school he went to it doesn't seem like his family would be in such a situation.
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StillNoStanfurdium;842297420 said:

Do football players never get help from their family or parents or loans or stuff? I knew plenty of people in college that weren't on a Football scholarship that takes care of room and board, got aid to pay for tuitition along with family support, didn't hold a job, and still managed not to starve.

Is Chris Kluwe from an extremely disadvantaged background? I don't want to make assumptions but given the high school he went to it doesn't seem like his family would be in such a situation.


This brings to mind Aaron Rodgers. A few months ago he talked about how poor he was at Cal. Yet I thought he came from a middle class background.

I captured the audio here:
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okaydo;842297424 said:

This brings to mind Aaron Rodgers. A few months ago he talked about how poor he was at Cal. Yet I thought he came from a middle class background.

I captured the audio here:


Sounds like his situation is because he chose to live off-campus which meant no dorms/meal plan. It also sounds like he's literally receiving no money at all from his family in his situation. He only accounts for school provided money.
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I don't think Congress will delve into the "pay-for-play" thing, I think Congress will simply enact an exemption that says athletic scholarships are not compensation and student-athletes are not employees of a university.
 
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