i do not know about schools they played versus or the conferences they played in

luke sr clips :


john sr clips :

i believe there are some similarity

going4roses;842300777 said:

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i do not know about schools they played versus or the conferences they played in

luke sr clips :


john sr clips :

i believe there are some similarity

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We have a returning quarterback who started last season.
There is NO quarterback controversy.

Check out Lukes all star game highlights. Definitely showed escapability, improvisation and throwing accurately on the run.

going4roses never said there was a QB controversy. Of course, Goff is going to start. If Goff gets hurt, though, it will be interesting to see Rubenzer play. Possible that Rubenzer will be red shirted and Hinder will come in if Goff sits out a play or two. But if Goff is forced to miss a couple of games I could see Rubenzer burning the redshirt and becoming the starter. Goff doesn't want to be like the guy Lou Gerhig replaced.

sure there are some similarities (i think j football is bigger tho?), but nobody even thought manziel would be j football...

Manziel is "bigger" but manziel has also been in college for three years. I'm not sure RBZ won't be at "big" by time he's the same age. RBZ looks great on tape at the high school level and certainly seems like a "gamer" and a "leader". Can he be as good as manziel? Who knows. Hopefully yes. But until Goff either gets hurts, leaves or whatever it's moot cause he's got a stranglehold on the job right now

SonOfCalVa;842300779 said:

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We have a returning quarterback who started last season.
There is NO quarterback controversy.

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i got full faith and credit in jared aka JG wentworth aka joe cool 2.0

it was just a luke johnny thing, jared is the starter.

Why do people think it's a sure thing Goff will be the starter? If I'm Sonny, im thinking this is a make or break year. We do poorly this year and good chance he gets shown the door. He doesn't have the luxury of stocking QBs for the future and needs to win now.

I think Goff will end up starting but I see no hesitation for him to burn the redshirt if Goff has to come out or isn't doing well.

freshfunk;842300805 said:

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Why do people think it's a sure thing Goff will be the starter? If I'm Sonny, im thinking this is a make or break year. We do poorly this year and good chance he gets shown the door. He doesn't have the luxury of stocking QBs for the future and needs to win now.

I think Goff will end up starting but I see no hesitation for him to burn the redshirt if Goff has to come out or isn't doing well.

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If Luke is better, I expect Luke to play.

Yeah starting a true frosh at QB isn't a good idea

SonOfCalVa;842300779 said:

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We have a returning quarterback who started last season.
There is NO quarterback controversy.

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Goff is recovering from a shoulder injury and I think Sonny and Franklin will show preference to the QB who is for the first time truly their guy through and through. Though I don't think anyone should expect anything other than Goff starting for the full season, I think it's not crazy that the door could be open if he flounders or shows any sign that his injury took anything from him.

GranadaHillsBear;842300849 said:

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Yeah starting a true frosh at QB isn't a good idea

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depends on the QB. a lot of teams have gambled with their frosh QB and have seen them excel. and agree with fresh. if Dykes doesn't turn things around immediately, it's do or die for him, and i wouldn't count out the possibility RBZ sees the field.


as for the RBZ v. Manziel comparisons, here are the stats again:

Johnny Football
225/343 for 3559 yds, 44:5 (TD:INT)
171 carries for 1695 yds, (avg. 9.9), 30 TDs

Luke Rubenzer
227/308 for 4200 yds (avg 18.5), 61:3 (TD:INT)
155 carries for 1235 yds (avg. 7.97), 10 TDs

worth noting: Manziel didn’t have any star receivers on his team, and he was also their best rusher. in other words, Manziel was Tivy's offense.

Manziel is a better runner, and much more elusive. RBZ could turn out to be a much more consistent passer.

though any time you're comparing a true frosh Heisman winner and once-in-a-decade type QB against a incoming frosh, it's bound to be skewed....let's just say RBZ will be great in his own right, and if he even becomes half as productive as Manziel was at TAMU, Cal will be lucky. i'll leave it at that.

cubzwin;842300785 said:

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going4roses never said there was a QB controversy. Of course, Goff is going to start. If Goff gets hurt, though, it will be interesting to see Rubenzer play. Possible that Rubenzer will be red shirted and Hinder will come in if Goff sits out a play or two. But if Goff is forced to miss a couple of games I could see Rubenzer burning the redshirt and becoming the starter. Goff doesn't want to be like the guy Lou Gerhig replaced.

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It will be fun and interesting to see what develops.
However, as the posts above show, there seems to be a preference growing for "the other guy" at QB.
Hope Hinder develops more as he was in the final fall competition of Klindergoff. He showed his concern for the team by volunteering to be the scout team QB last season.
Gehrig comment was funny but hopefully won't apply.

Goff - stay healthy! OL - get it together (most important)

going4roses;842300777 said:

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i do not know about schools they played versus or the conferences they played in

luke sr clips :


john sr clips :

i believe there are some similarity

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I believe Luke's high school ended up being ranked in the top 3 in the state. About half their games were against schools ranked in the state's top 15. They lost to the No. 1 pretty handily in their 1st game of the season and beat, no. 4 and 8 (twice) or something like that. They were state champs in their division so they had to beat some pretty good teams along the way.

61 TD : 3 INT?!!

That is redonkulous. Even for high school.

Luke can punt too. I'd like to see him in there on 4th downs. A true triple threat. Pass, run, or punt. And, unlike most punters, he'd run down there in coverage looking to knock someone out.

Can't wait to see Luke plays for Cal, but he needs to learn to protect himself. Can't bump against college players the way he did in high school.

HaasBear04;842300909 said:

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61 TD : 3 INT?!!

That is redonkulous. Even for high school.

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even more ridiculous once you remove their only loss in the regular season (against #1 Chaparral) where he threw 1 TD, 3 INTs.

then his stats would read:

213/273 for 4002 yds, 60:0 (TD:INT)

beeasyed;842300958 said:

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even more ridiculous once you remove their only loss in the regular season (against #1 Chaparral) where he threw 1 TD, 3 INTs.

then his stats would read:

213/273 for 4002 yds, 60:0 (TD:INT)

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That's absurd.

calumnus;842300813 said:

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If Luke is better, I expect Luke to play.

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No wonder I tend to like this guy's ^ posts. Amen to this, best should play. QB or not. Any positions.

At this point, the best need to play, for this staff. Not saying they do but please, I hope the coaches put aside any politics, favoritism, any of that, just choose the best game players. Really, shouldn't be any wandering wondering questions on the part of the coaches as to speculating who is or isn't motivated to be on the team, or to play to win, or to get UP for a real game, or wanting to be here(?!) 'buying into the system'. They're not here to chew gum. Just pick the best most experienced, or stat-filled, hungry GAMERS. That's when we win.

Was good to hear the new DB coach talking about this in his interview, saying whether or not the players bought it was important. It's easy to say stuff, sure. We can all salute pretty words. But do the players believe it? If they do, we got something good. If they don't, we got same ol' same ol', and that won't be fun. Open it up believably to the gamers, many playin' for Ted? Now we do some damage.

:rant :cheer

Thought these were biblical verses

cubzwin;842300785 said:

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going4roses never said there was a QB controversy. Of course, Goff is going to start. If Goff gets hurt, though, it will be interesting to see Rubenzer play. Possible that Rubenzer will be red shirted and Hinder will come in if Goff sits out a play or two. But if Goff is forced to miss a couple of games I could see Rubenzer burning the redshirt and becoming the starter. Goff doesn't want to be like the guy Lou Gerhig replaced.

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What is this world coming to when we don't remember the guy famous for being forgotten? Wally Pipp aka "The Goff Man"

Beeasyed, Manziel wasn't a true frosh. He was a redshirt freshman and had NFL linemen blocking in front of him

GranadaHillsBear;842301054 said:

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Beeasyed, Manziel wasn't a true frosh. He was a redshirt freshman and had NFL linemen blocking in front of him

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you're right, he's a RS Frosh who won it the first year he played. i don't think that lessens his achievement.

as far as the "he had NFL linemen blocking for him." it's the Jake Matthews conversation all over again. yeah TAMU has 1 OT getting drafted. so what? so did AJ McCarron. so did Mettenberger. so do a lot of QBs at big time schools. and Stanford has 3 OL NFL prospects this year, but Hogan still looked like crap.

you sound like you who haven't watched a lot of TAMU or Manziel. just lookat the bowl game highlights against Duke and you'll see how he wills his team to win.

Why are you so belligerent? I honestly don't really care much about this topic and you don't know sh-t about about what I watch or don't watch, but your tone isn't very conducive to continuing any sort of conversation.

luke wont start unless theres an injury to Goff or unless Goff really really regresses from last year. luke isnt in spring ball. theres your clincher. he wont be ready if we just throw him out there for probably the first half of the year. hes going to need the practice reps since hes not here in spring

GranadaHillsBear;842301212 said:

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Why are you so belligerent? I honestly don't really care much about this topic and you don't know sh-t about about what I watch or don't watch, but your tone isn't very conducive to continuing any sort of conversation.

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no need to get offended. I was merely pointing out that having an NFL guy block for him isn't much of a knock against him, and that if it's pretty apparent from watching him in just a game or two that he has the ability to lift up his team. sorry if you felt attacked.

gobears725;842301218 said:

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luke wont start unless theres an injury to Goff or Hinder unless Goff/Hinder really really regresses from last year. luke isnt in spring ball. theres your clincher. he wont be ready if we just throw him out there for probably the first half of the year. hes going to need the practice reps since hes not here in spring

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fify
Goff is #1, Hinder is #2

Love watching Luke play! He may not have a cannon but he has everything else, and I love his feisty attitude - Cal certainly needs that.

I really hope his game translates at Cal. If so, we will be in for some fun times.

I am impressed after watching that highlight. It would be fun to watch the kid play.

beeasyed;842301058 said:

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you sound like you who haven't watched a lot of TAMU or Manziel.

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You already forgot last year's #2 overall pick?

bluebeargold;842301573 said:

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You already forgot last year's #2 overall pick?

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no, but that was last season. i don't think it is uncommon for big time football schools to have a top-round draft pick on the offensive line each year?

i'm just saying Manziel's abilities and intangibles haven't been predicated on a good OL any more than other great QBs. his escapability, throwing on the run, ability to run, evasiveness, etc. i mean, a better argument could be that he relies more on his WRs to bail him out from inaccurate passes.

SonOfCalVa;842301244 said:

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fify
Goff is #1, Hinder is #2

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it is and i believe it will be for fall camp and through at least the first third of the season. as luke gains more experience, i think we may end up with a 2A or 2B kind of situation depending on what kind of situation arises later in the year where you use hinder as your primary backup but perhaps burn lukes blueshirt if goff goes down with a season ending injury. (knock on wood)

the battle that may get interesting may be next spring. if Goff has a pedestrian year, id expect sonny to open up the competition next spring and id expect that luke be in the thick of things.

Of course this all gets put on the back burner if Goff stays healthy and goes out and proves that he is the guy and kicks ass this year. ideally we should all want this scenario to happen

Under six foot Heisman winners are a dime a dozen.

gobears725;842301584 said:

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it is and i believe it will be for fall camp and through at least the first third of the season. as luke gains more experience, i think we may end up with a 2A or 2B kind of situation depending on what kind of situation arises later in the year where you use hinder as your primary backup but perhaps burn lukes blueshirt if goff goes down with a season ending injury. (knock on wood)

the battle that may get interesting may be next spring. if Goff has a pedestrian year, id expect sonny to open up the competition next spring and id expect that luke be in the thick of things.

Of course this all gets put on the back burner if Goff stays healthy and goes out and proves that he is the guy and kicks ass this year. ideally we should all want this scenario to happen

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Pretty much agree with you. If Goff or Hinder goes down or has difficulty performing, then I'm sure the coaches will do a lot of thinking. I hope Goff does great and Luke does pick up the offense as he blue-shirts.
Perhaps we can progress past putting so much pressure on young QBs and allow them to develop, getting some real depth at the position.