see link below

i came across this write up bout a week ago
http://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-pac-12s-quarterbacks-2014


seems like the washington QB is a little bit high no? how much did he even play

wonder if its based in part by their OL returning / performance etc

going4roses;842308252 said:

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i came across this write up bout a week ago
http://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-pac-12s-quarterbacks-2014


seems like the washington QB is a little bit high no? how much did he even play

wonder if its based in part by their OL returning / performance etc

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Thanks for posting but the article is really dated.
We'll know the real rankings in January but, really, who cares about pre-season rankings.
Goff will be much better than last year, especially if the OL comes through and he gets time and a running game. The WRs are experienced and the new guys are showing a lot.

#1 bro, i would draft him #1

most experience out of any sophomore QB.
threw for a crap load of yards in freshman year.
high upside in our offense.

SonOfCalVa;842308270 said:

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Thanks for posting but the article is really dated.
We'll know the real rankings in January but, really, who cares about pre-season rankings.
Goff will be much better than last year, especially if the OL comes through and he gets time and a running game. The WRs are experienced and the new guys are showing a lot.

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I feel alright about this season. I expect a "good" 3 or 4 wins. ie losing because we are not good, not because we are incompetent. I expect that Goff will be a big part of building a future good team for the obvious reasons (improvement of him, age, the team around him, etc).

I always feel that way before the season starts, though

going4roses;842308252 said:

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i came across this write up bout a week ago
http://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-pac-12s-quarterbacks-2014


seems like the washington QB is a little bit high no? how much did he even play

wonder if its based in part by their OL returning / performance etc

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I'd say about 7, I would move Kessler, Halliday, and Miles below him and move Wilson up to 6

Solid 8. Remove Kessler, bump Halliday and Wilson, then goff at 8

It's an absolute joke to have him at 10 and Miles ahead of him. Goff is legitimately 6 on this list, but to be honest he is probably even higher. Go look at the highlights from the NW game and see some of the throws he makes.

He is one of the best in the PAC, but even with my homer glasses off, he should still be no worse than 6.

FrankBear21;842308295 said:

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It's an absolute joke to have him at 10 and Miles ahead of him. Goff is legitimately 6 on this list, but to be honest he is probably even higher. Go look at the highlights from the NW game and see some of the throws he makes.

He is one of the best in the PAC, but even with my homer glasses off, he should still be no worse than 6.

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I believe Goff has all the tools to be [U]the[/U] best the Pac-12. He's not there yet, and it will also help when he has a productive OL and running game. He's got a slight build so hopefully he's putting on more weight. However he's got good height, solid arm, very accurate, can be elusive on the run, and good touch (although he has to work on the long ball -- but that also could be a function of the time he gets from the OL). He's got more skills even at this young age than the typical QB at his age (Rodgers was one of the other guys who seemed to be polished even early on; maybe Longshore too early on). He's tough and pretty much survived the whole season relatively unscathed until the Furd game.

Wait...didn't cyler miles get suspended? I thought he was involved in some off field shenanigans?

Kelly I'm not so sold on. I wouldn't rank him with Marriota and Hundley. Hogan is a a really good fit in that system. Mannion I think is just a barometer of the beavers themselves. Up and down. But those guys have won games and goff hasn't so.....Kessler ditto. Not sold on him either but USC always has options at that position

going4roses;842308248 said:

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see link below

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Doesn't really matter. When you go 1-11 you become an afterthought to the experts. Feel slighted? Win some games.

Don't think that much of Cody Kessler, seems like more of a game manager type for SC, and not a great one at that. Not sure he fits Sark's offensive system either. Miles probably rated that high more on the potential he showed last season and what people are expecting from the Huskies under Chris Petersen.

I actually like the kid Sefo Liufau from Colorado, Saw him in two games last year... the Buffs don't have a ton of talent but he's a pretty good college QB that kept them in some games.

LocoOso;842308306 said:

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Doesn't really matter. When you go 1-11 you become an afterthought to the experts. Feel slighted? Win some games.

Don't think that much of Cody Kessler, seems like more of a game manager type for SC, and not a great one at that. Not sure he fits Sark's offensive system either. Miles probably rated that high more on the potential he showed last season and what people are expecting from the Huskies under Chris Petersen.

I actually like the kid Sefo Liufau from Colorado, Saw him in two games last year... the Buffs don't have a ton of talent but he's a pretty good college QB that kept them in some games.

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Absolutely correct - it is all about the Ws. In reality, this year there is Mariota, then Hundley, then everyone else. Goff is certainly on par with the other 9 - except he has only won a single game. Give him healthy running backs and a healthy defense that keeps the other team for scoring early and often and forcing us to play catch-up from the first quarter, and he will look amazingly good. The OL play this season will be a plus.

His long passes have mostly been of target. Hopefully he impproves this year. So far not impressed.

Masau80;842308332 said:

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Absolutely correct - it is all about the Ws. In reality, this year there is Mariota, then Hundley, then everyone else. Goff is certainly on par with the other 9 - except he has only won a single game. Give him healthy running backs and a healthy defense that keeps the other team for scoring early and often and forcing us to play catch-up from the first quarter, and he will look amazingly good. The OL play this season will be a plus.

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Sonny said as much in his last video: stop the early, easy scores,
but he's encouraged at the progress of the DBs, for what that's worth.

SonOfCalVa;842308337 said:

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Sonny said as much in his last video: stop the early, easy scores,
but he's encouraged at the progress of the DBs, for what that's worth.

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That improved DB play (better when McClure gets back), and putting pressure on the QB - especially from the edge -changes how the game is played.

In the #7 to #10 range seems about right. He finished 11th in the Pac (passer rating) last year...

oskidunker;842308336 said:

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His long passes have mostly been of target. Hopefully he impproves this year. So far not impressed.

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I disagree. Goff's short/medium passes were on the money. His long passes were often off target (overthrows). But I could not tell whether this was due to his problems or due to poor OLine blocking which forced Goff to rush his throws.

KoreAmBear;842308296 said:

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I believe Goff has all the tools to be [U]the[/U] best the Pac-12. He's not there yet, and it will also help when he has a productive OL and running game. He's got a slight build so hopefully he's putting on more weight. However he's got good height, solid arm, very accurate, can be elusive on the run, and good touch (although he has to work on the long ball -- but that also could be a function of the time he gets from the OL). He's got more skills even at this young age than the typical QB at his age (Rodgers was one of the other guys who seemed to be polished even early on; maybe Longshore too early on). He's tough and pretty much survived the whole season relatively unscathed until the Furd game.

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I'm still pissed at that Shayne Skov's senseless hit on Goff during the Big Game. Water under the bridge now, but how did he get away with it? And I wasn't even a Goff's supporter at the time. I hope Goff will score tons of TDs against the Furd this year.

About the ranking, I think Goff will surprise a lot of people this year, not just because he's good as KAB mentioned, but also because of the strong WRs we have. If the OLs and RBs really improve this year, watch out!

Will Tre Watson be good enough to start this year?

FrankBear21;842308295 said:

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It's an absolute joke to have him at 10 and Miles ahead of him. Goff is legitimately 6 on this list, but to be honest he is probably even higher. Go look at the highlights from the NW game and see some of the throws he makes.

He is one of the best in the PAC, but even with my homer glasses off, he should still be no worse than 6.

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Alternatively, no QB on the list has ever looked as bad as Goff did in the Oregon game.

StillNoStanfurdium;842308382 said:

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Alternatively, no QB on the list has ever looked as bad as Goff did in the Oregon game.

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That is simply not fair. Goff was the QB during a hurricane!!! The rain was coming in sideways. Who could throw a ball or even handle it in those kinds of conditions. When he was finally relieved by Kline the rain has diminished and the score was already out of hand. Some of that is due to our defense..in fact, all of it.

LocoOso;842308306 said:

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Doesn't really matter. When you go 1-11 you become an afterthought to the experts. Feel slighted? Win some games.

Don't think that much of Cody Kessler, seems like more of a game manager type for SC, and not a great one at that. Not sure he fits Sark's offensive system either. Miles probably rated that high more on the potential he showed last season and what people are expecting from the Huskies under Chris Petersen.

I actually like the kid Sefo Liufau from Colorado, Saw him in two games last year... the Buffs don't have a ton of talent but he's a pretty good college QB that kept them in some games.

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did i say i feel slighted ? sure did not ... what i did say was how can dude thats a back up be ranked higher ( did miles win any games on his arm ?)

this is not about wins or losses... but returning QBs... hence my thought i wonder did they mix in OL or other factors etc...

your tone was bit over stated imo ... i was simply wondering out loud , thus i did not need Captain obvious to tell me what i already know .... not like miles won 4 or 5 games starting last season "win some more games " duhhhhh "

as you were

He could turn out to be the best QB in the conference this season if the OL and running game are at least decent. Both were horrible last season, and he still played quite well, especially for a true freshman. I'm not worried about Goff, but I am worried about the OL, the running game, and the defense. All should be better than last year, but will they be enough better to cause a significant improvement in the W/L column?

Golden One;842308407 said:

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He could turn out to be the best QB in the conference this season if the OL and running game are at least decent. Both were horrible lease season, and he still played quite well, especially for a true freshman. I'm not worried about Goff, but I am worried about the OL, the running game, and the defense. All should be better than last year, but will they be enough better to cause a significant improvement in the W/L column?

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I would say Phil Steele can save countless hours researching what to put in Cal's preview blurb for this season, and just use this.

6bear6;842308392 said:

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That is simply not fair. Goff was the QB during a hurricane!!! The rain was coming in sideways. Who could throw a ball or even handle it in those kinds of conditions. When he was finally relieved by Kline the rain has diminished and the score was already out of hand. Some of that is due to our defense..in fact, all of it.

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I'm just trying to point out the folly of looking to the best parts of someone's season. How about his ineffectiveness against Oregon State? Gotta look at the sum of the parts when considering Goff's season. Not looking to really get into argument about Goff's play specifically during the Oregon game but I'll add that Mariota was not affected the way Goff was. Also, really? The defense caused Goff to fumble the ball when we did have possession in our own territory?

Miles and Stringfellow are listed with the 1s on uDuh's just released 2 deep after spring ball.
I prefer Goff and our WRs.

It's really hard to rank QBs in this conference when they are playing under a variety of circumstances.

I'll say this.
I think Goff and Kessler make the biggest leaps forward this year.
Miles is a returning starter and led an impressive victory over Oregon St. on the road. But I don't think Miles is going to be that much better because of Petersen.

Almost every pac-12 team has great WR/TE units. The exceptions would be Oregon St., Utah and Colorado. But Oregon St. is the only team with a weakness at that position. So, other than the Beavers, the effectiveness of the QBs is largely going to depend on the quality of the OLs. OSU also has major questions on the OL, so I don't think Mannion will be in the conversation this year statistically.

Here are the QBs that I expect will be the most effective.

1. Mariota- Despite losing Addison Mariota has a great OL and running game supporting him. Plus many weapons are still available at TE/WR. IOW's he plays for Oregon. And he is a genuine dual threat.

2. Hundley- His OL isn't quite as good, nor are his playmakers at RB. But his rate of improvement is tops in the conference and he has plenty of weapons at WR.

3. T. Kelly- Kelly may not project to the NFL like some others lower down on this list, but he has a great supporting cast on offense and runs the read option with a great deal of effeciency.

4. Kessler- Again, I'm basing this on the supporting cast. USC does have questions on OL, but that is based on their standards. Compared to others in the conference, this is a pretty good OL and the RB unit is off the charts.

4. Hogan- Tied with Kessler. On paper, Stanford has a better OL, but they have had trouble this spring and Hogan is not the type of QB to make plays on his own. Also, Hogan hasn't put points on the board during his tenure at Stanford compared to most of the QBs above. His wins have come via Stanford's defense.

6 Miles- Great supporting cast, alot of natural talent, past experience winning games and yes he will be back.

7. T. Wilson- Utah is the team nobody knows about. Folks are going to find out about Wilson next year. Cal should know. He blew them out 2 years ago and helped get JT fired. And yes Wilson will be medically cleared.

8. Goff- So many question on the OL and at RB, but the needle is pointing in the right direction and I expect enough will get resolved for Goff to be able to exploit one of the conference's top receiving units.

9 Whover QB's at Arizona- Scoggins, Brewer, Randall or Soloman. Plenty of talent and plenty of WR/TE talent. There are lots of questions at RB but not on the OL.

10. Mannion- He's a senior and headed to the NFL so he'll figure out something with very little to work with.

11. Liufau- He's a good QB, but he doesn't have much to work with. He has a decent OL, a decent RB unit and decent WR/TEs. But no stars in the making. However there aren't any glaring weaknesses either and that's why I put him ahead of...

12. Halliday- The attrition and lack of replacements on the WSU OL combined with a pedestrian, although improving running game, takes away whatever advantage a great WR core would provide. Halliday, when pressured, tends to through picks. Expect a lot of that next year. WSU is similar to Cal, but Cal's issues on OL are nothing compared to wazzu's. Even though WSU has the deepest WR unit in the conference, Halliday will have a harder time this year.

Again these ratings are based on the projected effectiveness of the player next year, not on their talent or natural ability. That measurement is impossible to make right now. Leave it to the NFL combine to sort that out later but I'd say every one of these QBs has a decent shot at an NFL career. Liufau probably has the most to prove before the NFL takes him seriously, but he could be better than folks think and has a few years to prove it.

i think Goff is going to light it up this year and that we are going to involved in some big time shootouts this year. he just has so many weapons to work with.

year one starting Colby Cameron:

118-215, 54.9%, 1667 yards 13 tds, 3 ints

year 2 Colby Cameron

359-522 68.8% 4147 yards, 31 td, 5 ints

year one Jared Goff

318-528 60.2%, 3488 yards 18 tds, 10 ints

my point is that there was vast improvement for Cameron in year 2 of the TFS. Goff id say is physically more talented than Colby Cameron. It wouldnt surprise me if Goff has a completion percentage close to 70% this coming year and becomes much more efficient in the red zone. he may very well end up being one of the top qb's in the conference if he can replicate cameron's progression from year 1 to year 2

I'll say this for Goff, 2015 shapes up really well for him, unless Rubenzer somehow unseats him. Assuming Rubenzer redshirts this season and becomes an understudy in 2015, Goff could well lead the conference in 2015.

For starters (pardon the pun), of the starting QB's mentioned above only T. Wilson, Liufau, Kessler, Miles, the AU QB and Goff return for 2015. But only Goff will have practically all of his OL and RB group back for 2015. He could lose some of his top WRs. But Dykes knows how to recruit WRs and already has 2 worthy commits between the 2014 and 2015 classes. Plus Cal should still have some seniors available that don't go pro early. I'm thinking of Powe, Harris and S. Anderson...at least. Technically Treggs, Harper, Lawler and Davis will still be eligible. Add in Hudson and Austin from the 2013 class and we look solid.

Meanwhile Miles will lose a good portion of his starting OL as does the AU QB. With a good supporting cast, Goff should surpass T. Wilson. Kessler would be the only one that could do better than Goff in 2015, including incoming UCLA QB Josh Rosen.

heartofthebear;842308464 said:

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I'll say this for Goff, 2015 shapes up really well for him,...

He could lose some of his top WRs. But Dykes knows how to recruit WRs and already has 2 worthy commits between the 2014 and 2015 classes. Plus Cal should still have some seniors available that don't go pro early. I'm thinking of Powe, Harris and S. Anderson...at least. Technically Treggs, Harper, Lawler and Davis will still be eligible. Add in Hudson and Austin from the 2013 class and we look solid. QUOTE]

You're assuming Treggs, Harper, and Lawler won't be playing in the defensive backfield.
:nono:

1. Mariota
2. Hundley
3. Kelly
4. Mannion
5. Kessler
6. Hogan
7. Troy Williams (will beat out Cyler Miles)
8. Halliday
9. Wilson
10. Goff
11. Liufau

Not sure who will start at QB for Arizona

Kessler is really overlooked here. He played very well after Kiffin was fired, even though SC's pass pro was nearly as bad as ours.

BowDowntoWashington;842308530 said:

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1. Mariota
2. Hundley
3. Kelly
4. Mannion
5. Kessler
6. Hogan
7. Troy Williams (will beat out Cyler Miles)
8. Halliday
9. Wilson
10. Goff
11. Liufau

Not sure who will start at QB for Arizona

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Goff is overrated here, but you seriously think Wilson and Halliday will be better than him next year? Halliday going to be a senior, I doubt he improves much. Wilson is probably the rawest QB in the conference.

^ overrated at #10? wtf are you smoking

Davidson;842308719 said:

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^ overrated at #10? wtf are you smoking

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I think he meant, "on this site." True, dat.

i see what he's saying

Bobodeluxe;842308737 said:

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I think he meant, "on this site." True, dat.

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agree. also, there seems to be an assumption that Cal will be much improved next season, but that no one else in the league will be. Pac-12 is going to be very tough next season.