Man that was gross.

Oberyn really should have followed Tuco's advice in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

I was actually starting to like that guy. Shame on me.

FrankBear21;842321325 said:

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I was actually starting to like that guy. Shame on me.

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Yeah, avoid getting attached to pretty much everyone. I read the books, and watching last night's episode was still hard even though I knew what was going to happen.

MoragaBear;842321320 said:

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I'm not looking. That was horrendous to watch last night. I just might be scarred for life after that scene.

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Me too. Seriously disturbing s---.

I was 85% ready to swear off this show after the Red Wedding's gratuitous violence, but last night's torture porn put me about 98% done. Will watch the finale but that's probably it for me.

CalGrad95;842321382 said:

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Me too. Seriously disturbing s---.

I was 85% ready to swear off this show after the Red Wedding's gratuitous violence, but last night's torture porn put me about 98% done. Will watch the finale but that's probably it for me.

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Are we talking Oregon or Furd, here? The torture porn made me think Oregon. But the Red Wedding thing threw me off.

CalGrad95;842321382 said:

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Me too. Seriously disturbing s---.

I was 85% ready to swear off this show after the Red Wedding's gratuitous violence, but last night's torture porn put me about 98% done. Will watch the finale but that's probably it for me.

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I don't mind the Red Wedding. Don't mind the watermelon head explosion.

But anything involving Reek/Theon Greyjoy turns me the f*ck off. (And all his and that other dude's scenes are on the big episodes this season.)

CalGrad95;842321382 said:

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Me too. Seriously disturbing s---.

I was 85% ready to swear off this show after the Red Wedding's gratuitous violence, but last night's torture porn put me about 98% done. Will watch the finale but that's probably it for me.

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You sat through Tire Fire '13 yet can't stomach GoT?

I thought cal fans were made of sterner stuff.

You should check out Brad Pitt's decapitation in The Counselor. Yuck.

Oberyn in the show was even better than in the books. R.I.P.

And yeah, that was brutal, had a difficult time falling asleep after that. The exploding head was a bit gratuitous...

Dunno why, but the feeling after that sudden (and gruesome) defeat reminded me of Pat Barnes fumbling the handoff at the Washington St goal line...
Losing to UW in '93, 24-23 after messing up the onside kick...
Seeing Mooch get poached by the 9ers after a promising start...
Tony G's knee being 'down' in the Big Game...

Call it: Game of Cal Football...

Go Bears!!!

okaydo;842321384 said:

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But anything involving Reek/Theon Greyjoy turns me the f*ck off. (And all his and that other dude's scenes are on the big episodes this season.)

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Why?

Bear_Elegance;842321748 said:

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Why?

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They ripped off the Patty Hearst story.

HaasBear04;842321394 said:

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You sat through Tire Fire '13 yet can't stomach GoT?

I thought cal fans were made of sterner stuff.

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:rollinglaugh:

:beer: though to be fair to their constitutions, most fans probably didn't sit through the entirety of each game before running off to hurl. or cry.

CalGrad95;842321382 said:

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Me too. Seriously disturbing s---.

I was 85% ready to swear off this show after the Red Wedding's gratuitous violence, but last night's torture porn put me about 98% done. Will watch the finale but that's probably it for me.

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I definitely hope you and other non-book-readers do watch the next two episodes. Not because I know for sure they will be good (hit or miss with this show) but because the book material that is likely to be in them is honestly good stuff.

I also was very disturbed by The Viper's awful onscreen death even though I knew it was coming (almost made the buildup worse). But at least speaking for myself, it is not just the violence and gore. It's that it happens to characters that the books (or show) were engaging enough to make me care about and root for.

No one threatened to stop watching the show when Dany brutally crucified the slavers in Mereen, or when Jon Snow shoved his sword through Karl's skull at Craster's keep (not in the books), or even when Joffrey, a teenager, was poisoned with 'the Strangler' and died horrifically at his own wedding in the arms of his sobbing mother. People openly celebrate that last one, and I can't really blame them because I do too, a little.

Somehow the gratuitous violence seems easier to take when it happens to characters you loathe, but hard to tolerate when it happens to characters you love or identify with or viscerally want to succeed.

I will also say that the show takes events that were already a 10 on the gruesome scale in the books and cranks the dial up to 11. There was no stabbing of a pregnant woman in the belly during the book 3's Red Wedding. And while Oberyn's death was awful in the books and the show was not far from the source material there, the actual manner of death was somehow even harder to see fully played out on screen than it was to read about. Sometimes it seems as if pure shock value is what the show-makers are most intent on. I think the books are better at building tension and providing context for readers who are paying attention.

Anyway, hope you (and others) watch at least the next two.

OneKeg;842321815 said:

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And while Oberyn's death was awful in the books and the show was not far from the source material there, the actual manner of death was somehow even harder to see fully played out on screen than it was to read about. Sometimes it seems as if pure shock value is what the show-makers are most intent on. I think the books are better at building tension and providing context for readers who are paying attention.

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The audiobook version, for comparative purposes

I think the hardest part about the death was the fact he had the fight won. For those of us who don't read the books, the whole thing happened so quickly. So I think the gruesomeness just added to the shock.

BearsWiin;842321857 said:

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The audiobook version, for comparative purposes

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Who was doing the reading?
Interesting that he gives Oberyn an Irish accent -- not the way they went on HBO.

JSC 76;842321863 said:

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Who was doing the reading?
Interesting that he gives Oberyn an Irish accent -- not the way they went on HBO.

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No idea. I shamelessly lifted this link from The Mainboard's ASOIAF Show thread.

JSC 76;842321863 said:

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Who was doing the reading?
Interesting that he gives Oberyn an Irish accent -- not the way they went on HBO.

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The actor apparently created that accent for his character.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/game-of-thrones-pedro-pascal-oberyn-martell_n_5440890.html

And:
http://voxxi.com/2014/06/02/7-things-you-didnt-know-oberyn-martell/

Quote:

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1. He is Chilean:

Pascal was born in Santiago, Chile in 1975. His parents were part of Salvador Allende’s opposition during Augusto Pinochet’s dictatorship. After his parents got word they were being persecuted, the three of them fled to Venezuela, then to Denmark, and eventually settled in America (first Texas, then California.)


2. His accent was based on his father’s thick accent:

When he first read the script, he felt Oberyn Martell was different that the other existing characters. Instead of speaking English with an American accent or butchering a British one, he decided to model the character after his father’s thick Spanish accent when he spoke in English.

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Here he is talking in his real accent
http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/pedro-pascal-oberyn-martell-funeral

FrankBear21;842321861 said:

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I think the hardest part about the death was the fact he had the fight won. For those of us who don't read the books, the whole thing happened so quickly. So I think the gruesomeness just added to the shock.

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I hear you FB21 and to be clear, it is utterly sudden and shocking in the books too. It was over a decade ago, but I still remember my throat being dry and my heart pounding as I finished that chapter, much like i felt later during the 2007 Cal loss to OSU and KR's ill-advised scramble. I even remember thinking about Oberyn's fictional character as I absorbed that real-life heartbreaking football loss.

But I found that reading about the Mountain gouging eyes and caving in the Viper's face with a mailed fist, while horrific, was still less than actually seeing (and hearing) it they eye gouging and skull-crushing on TV. Ugh. It might have been the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on a TV show.

JSC 76;842321863 said:

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Who was doing the reading?
Interesting that he gives Oberyn an Irish accent -- not the way they went on HBO.

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Yeah it's interesting to see all the different interpretations of Oberyn's accent and 'ethnicity' between the show, books on tape, and Martin's own descriptions.

Martin has said that, like many authors, he mixes aspects of real-wood cultures from around the globe when building his fictional world. He's stated that 3 of the primary influences in creating Dorne were Wales, Moorish-influenced Spain, and Palestine.

FrankBear21;842321861 said:

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I think the hardest part about the death was the fact he had the fight won.

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it was like inigo montoya portraying a james bond villain who has complete control over 007, but then engages in ridiculously unnecessary theatrics allowing bond to gain the upper hand.

is the mountain dead?

has arya gone full sociopath?

Sansa and Tyrion's child:

He should have been in the Bay City Rollers.

high calibear;842321891 said:

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it was like inigo montoya portraying a james bond villain who has complete control over 007, but then engages in ridiculously unnecessary theatrics allowing bond to gain the upper hand.

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If The Incredibles taught me anything, it's never to monologue.














and No Capes!

For me, the vomitous moment came when Oberyn absorbed the punch and his blood and teeth went flying. It was then I realized that he wasn't going to win, and the fact that his fate is tied to Tyrion's is a large part of why I wanted him to win. That fact that he proved to be such a skillful fighter only made me want him to win more. I guess the good guys just aren't going to prevail here.

Steam67;842322224 said:

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For me, the vomitous moment came when Oberyn absorbed the punch and his blood and teeth went flying. It was then I realized that he wasn't going to win, and the fact that his fate is tied to Tyrion's is a large part of why I wanted him to win. That fact that he proved to be such a skillful fighter only made me want him to win more. I guess the good guys just aren't going to prevail here.

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There aren't a lot of "good guys" in the books or the HBO series.

FrankBear21;842321861 said:

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I think the hardest part about the death was the fact he had the fight won. For those of us who don't read the books, the whole thing happened so quickly. So I think the gruesomeness just added to the shock.

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He was winning the fight... Did what he had to do which is get the big man off his feet, but his goal all along was to get the mountain to admit he raped his sister, killed his sister, and then killed her children AND that Tywinn was the one that ordered the murder. He was putting Tywinn on trial and couldn't finish him off until the mountain confessed.... Unfortunately he got to close and was to cocky instead of cautious.