After a 1-11 season, not only was Sonny Dykes' honeymoon over, the pressure for him, his staff, and his players to do better this season had to increase. So is Sonny Dykes a little more on the hot seat now, having lost one of his supporters in Sandy Barbour, the one who hired him?
Is Sonny Dykes more on the hot seat now?
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Damn these threads are getting old
Of course his seat just got hotter. The new AD will want (and should get) free rein to hire and fire, Sonny's running the most visible and expensive program (and one of the only "revenue sports") and the new AD has absolutely zero emotional investment in Sonny.
NO
yes. Talk to Mouse davis
not really sure how much hotter his seat could get. Realistically, sure there's a third year on the contract, but the stadium finance issues probably take precedence over everything. So if SD can't get things turned around materially (i.e. a season that sells tickets) then he's gonna be gone SB here or not.
Yes the person that hired him is gone
well the athletic department still can save 1.8 million (Dykes buyout decrease + Tony's final year on his contract +Kaufman's final year on his contract added up) just by enduring him another season. still probably depends on how he does and how much revenue we are losing if he does poorly.
SFCityBear;842328827 said:
After a 1-11 season, not only was Sonny Dykes' honeymoon over, the pressure for him, his staff, and his players to do better this season had to increase. So is Sonny Dykes a little more on the hot seat now, having lost one of his supporters in Sandy Barbour, the one who hired him?
...and his situation is further compounded by the fact that it is mathematically impossible for him to do twice as good this year as he did last year in Pac 12 play.
yes.
I've said it before that the biggest danger will be that we win 3-4 games this year and show "improvement". We'd likely be stuck with him at least through goffs senior year. Then rinse repeat with rubenzer. Dykes has us literally setback 10 years especially if we can't get a spread offense coach to replace him. It would take years to rebalance out recruiting away from our 20 wide receivers. Dykes might be the worst coach in division 1a and possibly the worst in PAC 10 12 history. At least since teevans or holmoe. When I read about 4 wins or maybe a bowl game this year, I really wonder how much football those people have watched in their lifetimes
I would guess it would take more than 4 wins.
glorybear;842328863 said:
Dykes might be the worst coach in division 1a and possibly the worst in PAC 10 12 history. At least since teevans or holmoe.
Teevans and Holmoe each beat D-1 teams.
Willingham is the proper comparison.
If Dykes achieved at Cal what Willingham did at LSJU, we wouldn't be hearing the howls for his ouster.
bearister;842328856 said:
...and his situation is further compounded by the fact that it is mathematically impossible for him to do twice as good this year as he did last year in Pac 12 play.
but he can easily do infinitely better.
How many games to keep his job past this year? I'm thinking 6 games and a bowl win.
Didn't know you were so optimistic that you think Dykes can easily win a conference game.OaktownBear;842328886 said:
but he can easily do infinitely better.
SoCalBear323;842328887 said:
How many games to keep his job past this year? I'm thinking 6 games and a bowl win.
Sadly, because this is cal... 3. In the real world or any real football school, he'd have been fired midway through conference season last year or after the season. At the very latest midway through this next season. But we all know he's gonna get at least through 2014. And 3 wins I'm pretty certain he'll be back especially if we get blown out less. But 3 wins itself is a tall order. Dykes has shown absolutely nothing to say he has answers to anything
Dykes is no more on the hot seat today than he was a month ago. But somewhere along the way, Dykes seat got warmer than most people know. That occurred at some point after Dirks decided he was going to stick his nose further into things than any other chancellor has.SFCityBear;842328827 said:
After a 1-11 season, not only was Sonny Dykes' honeymoon over, the pressure for him, his staff, and his players to do better this season had to increase. So is Sonny Dykes a little more on the hot seat now, having lost one of his supporters in Sandy Barbour, the one who hired him?
By the time Martin was hired, Dykes seat was as warm a it is today. If Sandy were still in charge, some small improvement over last year would save Dykes job, the odds of Sonny making it to year 3 were pretty good with Sandy in charge, year 4 was dicier, probably requiring at least a bowl season in 2015 to make year 4. But Sandy hasn't been in charge of that decision for awhile, and with Dirks in charge, the odds of a 3rd year got a lot smaller.
Sandy staying around as a figurehead wouldn't have helped Sonny any more than Sandy's support got Travis the MBB job. Sonny's seat is pretty toasty right now. I don't know what it will take to get a year 3, but it will take some pretty meaningful improvement.
oskidunker;842328836 said:
yes. Talk to Mouse davis
Call me sometimes, OD! And let's talk about the run and shoot!
"It's like a sauna in here"
-Sonny Dykes-
-Sonny Dykes-
oskidunker;842328836 said:
yes. Talk to Mouse davis
Where is Mouse when we need him? Hiding out in the Palouse?
Im pretty sure gets extension jf we win 2 games this is cal
glorybear;842328863 said:
I've said it before that the biggest danger will be that we win 3-4 games this year and show "improvement". We'd likely be stuck with him at least through goffs senior year. Then rinse repeat with rubenzer. Dykes has us literally setback 10 years especially if we can't get a spread offense coach to replace him. It would take years to rebalance out recruiting away from our 20 wide receivers. Dykes might be the worst coach in division 1a and possibly the worst in PAC 10 12 history. At least since teevans or holmoe. When I read about 4 wins or maybe a bowl game this year, I really wonder how much football those people have watched in their lifetimes
+1
C'mon, be more optimistic! Some posters are thinking we will turn the corner if we only get blown out 3-4 times this year. No mention of wins.....
At least Holmoe could beat the LA schools. Those games were fun. And the year we were 1-11 at least the W was against an FBS team. Dykes hasn't won a game, IMO.
FYI there's a big diff between 3 and 4 wins.
3 wins is not that impressive when you consider Cal can get that with Sac. St., Colorado in Berkely and WSU in Pullman.
To get 4 wins Cal has to beat one of the remaining teams, all of whom are pretty good teams. WSU could be a good team as well. But one win over a good team could be considered a fluke. 2 wins, not so much.
Having said that, I think Sonny is on the hot seat because of his incredibly questionable choice of assistants, especially in year one but even now as most of his offensive staff remains.
He would have to show that injuries were entirely the cause of the 2013 flat-line by performing the way many hoped and expected prior to the season opener. In fact, if every game this year were played somewhat similarly to the Northwestern game last year then I think he buys himself another year. But the heat would still be on in 2015 to be bowl eligible.
I also think it matters how the offense does. Given that he has stood by his offensive coaches, and that his identity is because of his and Franklin's offensive scheme, Cal has to start looking like the bear raid we keep hearing about. I'm talking about scoring 30 or 40 points per game unless we are playing a top 25 defense like Stanford, Oregon, UCLA or USC.
Personally I don't think that will happen because I think the OL blocking scheme is severely flawed. So, I think he will be gone very soon after the end of the season (early Dec. right after Thanksgiving).
3 wins is not that impressive when you consider Cal can get that with Sac. St., Colorado in Berkely and WSU in Pullman.
To get 4 wins Cal has to beat one of the remaining teams, all of whom are pretty good teams. WSU could be a good team as well. But one win over a good team could be considered a fluke. 2 wins, not so much.
Having said that, I think Sonny is on the hot seat because of his incredibly questionable choice of assistants, especially in year one but even now as most of his offensive staff remains.
He would have to show that injuries were entirely the cause of the 2013 flat-line by performing the way many hoped and expected prior to the season opener. In fact, if every game this year were played somewhat similarly to the Northwestern game last year then I think he buys himself another year. But the heat would still be on in 2015 to be bowl eligible.
I also think it matters how the offense does. Given that he has stood by his offensive coaches, and that his identity is because of his and Franklin's offensive scheme, Cal has to start looking like the bear raid we keep hearing about. I'm talking about scoring 30 or 40 points per game unless we are playing a top 25 defense like Stanford, Oregon, UCLA or USC.
Personally I don't think that will happen because I think the OL blocking scheme is severely flawed. So, I think he will be gone very soon after the end of the season (early Dec. right after Thanksgiving).
Message to those who hate Sonny Dykes. Please start your own thread and you can bash him all you want. It's very tedious coming on this board and reading the threads posted here. Invariably someone has a comment that dykes is a horrible coach. Then all the naysayers jump into the fray and pat this guy on the back and add their own barbs. I'm sure this must make all of you naysayers feel really good about yourselves. Some of the more open-minded posters here have recognized that Sonny walked into a pretty poor situation. The offensive line was in shambles. They were physically week. What experience we had suffered injuries. To say nothing of the fact that we played the fifth most difficult schedule last year with a true freshman quarterback. The defense also had its share of physical problems. This was addressed with new hires. Hopefully this season will be better. But let's give this staff a chance and maybe just maybe they can turn things around. So be a bit more positive or like I said at the beginning, go start your own thread. Regardless of your feelings, I remain optimistic.
bonsallbear;842328932 said:
Message to those who hate Sonny Dykes. Please start your own thread and you can bash him all you want. It's very tedious coming on this board and reading the threads posted here. Invariably someone has a comment that dykes is a horrible coach. Then all the naysayers jump into the fray and pat this guy on the back and add their own barbs. I'm sure this must make all of you naysayers feel really good about yourselves. Some of the more open-minded posters here have recognized that Sonny walked into a pretty poor situation. The offensive line was in shambles. They were physically week. What experience we had suffered injuries. To say nothing of the fact that we played the fifth most difficult schedule last year with a true freshman quarterback. The defense also had its share of physical problems. This was addressed with new hires. Hopefully this season will be better. But let's give this staff a chance and maybe just maybe they can turn things around. So be a bit more positive or like I said at the beginning, go start your own thread. Regardless of your feelings, I remain optimistic.
This is a thread about how bad Sonny Dykes is as a coach. Look at the title.
Please start the "Sonny must feel pretty good about 2014" thread if you want to praise him. I promise to stay out.
0 wins*. 'Nuff said.
*FBS
bonsallbear;842328932 said:
Message to those who hate Sonny Dykes. Please start your own thread and you can bash him all you want. .
Has nothing to do with like or dislike. Fact: there is tremendous financial pressure from the stadium finances. Fact: we went 1-11 and esp purchases are in the toilet. Fact: IF dykes turns it around and leads the team forward we are WAY better off than another firing/hiring cycle after a dismal season.
Dykes just doesn't have much time. The stadium finances dictate that football NEEDS to be inspiring. Last year was not. He needs to do that this year or he's gone. We need butts in seats
This is a totally valid topic to bring up now since the AD who brought him in is no longer in charge. So is the seat hotter without his advocate there?
I think so. I think Sonny could've got by with a 3-4 win season. With a new AD, I think that bar is higher, (5-8?) since 1) he can claim that he wasn't his hire and not be responsible for the underperformance of the team and 2) will have to think about future of the program more so than someone who had been here 10 years and probably had some thoughts of transitioning out within the past few years.
I think so. I think Sonny could've got by with a 3-4 win season. With a new AD, I think that bar is higher, (5-8?) since 1) he can claim that he wasn't his hire and not be responsible for the underperformance of the team and 2) will have to think about future of the program more so than someone who had been here 10 years and probably had some thoughts of transitioning out within the past few years.
bonsallbear;842328932 said:
Message to those who hate Sonny Dykes. Please start your own thread and you can bash him all you want. It's very tedious coming on this board and reading the threads posted here. Invariably someone has a comment that dykes is a horrible coach. Then all the naysayers jump into the fray and pat this guy on the back and add their own barbs. I'm sure this must make all of you naysayers feel really good about yourselves. Some of the more open-minded posters here have recognized that Sonny walked into a pretty poor situation. The offensive line was in shambles. They were physically week. What experience we had suffered injuries. To say nothing of the fact that we played the fifth most difficult schedule last year with a true freshman quarterback. The defense also had its share of physical problems. This was addressed with new hires. Hopefully this season will be better. But let's give this staff a chance and maybe just maybe they can turn things around. So be a bit more positive or like I said at the beginning, go start your own thread. Regardless of your feelings, I remain optimistic.
Just Win Baby, until Dykes accomplishes that, there will always be people disecting what could or should happen and it usually wont be positive. Perhaps you're being a little oversensitive
Pretty soon we're gonna have to start beating teams we're not expected to beat.
bonsallbear;842328932 said:
Message to those who hate Sonny Dykes. Please start your own thread and you can bash him all you want. It's very tedious coming on this board and reading the threads posted here. Invariably someone has a comment that dykes is a horrible coach. Then all the naysayers jump into the fray and pat this guy on the back and add their own barbs. I'm sure this must make all of you naysayers feel really good about yourselves. Some of the more open-minded posters here have recognized that Sonny walked into a pretty poor situation. The offensive line was in shambles. They were physically week. What experience we had suffered injuries. To say nothing of the fact that we played the fifth most difficult schedule last year with a true freshman quarterback. The defense also had its share of physical problems. This was addressed with new hires. Hopefully this season will be better. But let's give this staff a chance and maybe just maybe they can turn things around. So be a bit more positive or like I said at the beginning, go start your own thread. Regardless of your feelings, I remain optimistic.
And then the head in the sand Pollyanna posters show up to tell us all what terrible people we are for not being all patient and understanding, and start in with their ready at the hip list of excuses for why 1-11 is really pretty, you know, okay.
GoBearsBert;842328934 said:
This is a thread about how bad Sonny Dykes is as a coach. Look at the title.
Please start the "Sonny must feel pretty good about 2014" thread if you want to praise him. I promise to stay out.
0 wins*. 'Nuff said.
*FBS
No, it isn't about how bad (or good) Sonny Dykes is as a coach. That has nothing to do with it. Look at the title.
It was a thread I started to ask you all whether Dykes would be on a hotter seat than he was before Sandy stepped down, which was pretty hot.
I like Dykes. I like a lot of things about him. We know many of the reasons for the bad season were out of his control, and I think Sandy would not hold him to as high a standard as a new AD might, not having lived through last season and seen first hand the reasons why the team went 1-11. The question is how much better will Dykes have to be this year than he would have had to be if Sandy was still the AD?
:beer:
SFCityBear;842328972 said:
No, it isn't about how bad (or good) Sonny Dykes is as a coach. That has nothing to do with it. Look at the title.
It was a thread I started to ask you all whether Dykes would be on a hotter seat than he was before Sandy stepped down, which was pretty hot.
I like Dykes. I like a lot of things about him. We know many of the reasons for the bad season were out of his control, and I think Sandy would not hold him to as high a standard as a new AD might, not having lived through last season and seen first hand the reasons why the team went 1-11. The question is how much better will Dykes have to be this year than he would have had to be if Sandy was still the AD?
:beer:
well to answer your original question, i think with Sandy, to quantify it, i think 3 wins. Now i think it could be 4 or 5 wins. There has to be enough of a spark there where it generates a reasonable amount of optimism among the fan base. If the fans are optimistic, then season ticket sales would probably remain at least the same. I dont think Dirks is wants to look at another season where season ticket sales decrease. If Dykes cant create optimism himself, well then the next best way to create optimism is to have a new coach because it at least instills hope. see NU attendence last year.
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