jamonit;842340531 said:

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I am declining the 5 or more never post again bet. My bet is simple and not nearly the risk. If you don't see the difference in me asking people that are locked hard on not winning more than 2 games to not post after we do until the season is over or I won't for at least a month compared to me saying they may win 4-5 games, but I feel very confident they will win more than 2 for sure to me not taking a bet of 5 or more with a lot more risk I don't know what to tell you. There is a difference and as you can see by the lack of people taking the bet no one really truly believes we will only win 2. No one really truly believes we will be worse this year. Everyone is expecting improvement with exception of GB54.

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No way. I am predicting twice as many wins as last year.

"Hey, Sonny, where you goin with those two wins in your hand."

GB54;842340602 said:

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No way. I am predicting twice as many wins as last year.

"Hey, Sonny, where you goin with those two wins in your hand."

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Hahaha... True my mistake!

GB54;842340602 said:

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No way. I am predicting twice as many wins as last year.

"Hey, Sonny, where you goin with those two wins in your hand."

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"Right to the bank!"

I don't think this thread is aimed at me, but sure I'll take the bet just for fun and hope I'm wrong. As soon as Cal wins their third game, I'll stop posting for the season, which hopefully will conclude somewhere around mid-January. If we don't win more than 2 games, thats punishment enough and I don't care if you post or not.

For the record, I think we will win 3 games, but I doubt the 3rd one will be BYU. I'm not sure why people keep penciling in BYU as a possible win. That team last year went 8-5 and lost @UVA (by 3), Utah (by 7), @ Wiscy (by 10), @ ND (by 10) and in a bowl game to UW (by 15). The combined point loss for all their games is 45. We lost to the Furd by 50. You might say who did they beat...

Oh, can I post in OT threads though, as long as they are completely not football related? Sometimes a real good topic comes up and i might have some input/discussion so I'd like to post in OT threads still. I guess thats my condition.

jamonit;842340438 said:

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Chris Peterson needs to replace a 3 year starting QB, I mean come on this is stupid... We lose 6 starters and a few players that didn't do anything and people keep pointing how much turn over we had. They keep saying "well me MIGHT be better, but every else got much better". This is so stupid. Washington lost 2966 of their 3384 passing yards, 2000 of their 3100 rushing yards, 1800 of their 3384 receiving yards... 21 of their 25 TD passes, 25 of their 35 rushing TDs, 14 of their 25 receiving TDs. They lost 3 starting DBs including both Safeties. They are learning a new system. They are having a lot of culture change going on there. While yes long term Chris Petersen can get their team turned around this will be a tough year for him.

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They have new coaches but it's not like Sarkisian went out on bottom and they need to turn the program upside down. There's no scandal and UW did decently. I think a combination of the program being in a decent place, a decent level of talent and superior coaching will mean that UW will beat us by at least 10 and possibly 14 points. Yes, it's very early and it's mostly a hunch at this point but I think your cherry picking of stats while ignoring anything counter to your argument makes you blind.

Uhm did cyler miles almost get suspended? Someone else did get suspended. Talking to F'uskies Peterson had some "cultural" issues upon arrival as well. Now am I saying we will be favored? Hell no. But they may be a bit vulnerable to inconsistency this year vs after Peterson has a year or two to put "his" stamp on it. And yes they are replacing studs in Sankey and Price IMO

jamonit;842340531 said:

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I am declining the 5 or more never post again bet. My bet is simple and not nearly the risk. If you don't see the difference in me asking people that are locked hard on not winning more than 2 games to not post after we do until the season is over or I won't for at least a month compared to me saying they may win 4-5 games, but I feel very confident they will win more than 2 for sure to me not taking a bet of 5 or more with a lot more risk I don't know what to tell you. There is a difference and as you can see by the lack of people taking the bet no one really truly believes we will only win 2. No one really truly believes we will be worse this year. Everyone is expecting improvement with exception of GB54.

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I think there's a roughly 1 in 4 (or 25%) chance we get 2 wins or less. I'm not taking your bet because it's a childish bet. I don't get all worked up about people who predict 0 wins or people who predict 7+ wins. I don't feel this burning need to silence people I don't see eye to eye with. I imagine most people here have not taken your bet because they don't feel they need to.

freshfunk;842340707 said:

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I don't feel this burning need to silence people I don't see eye to eye with.

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LOL. I thought you learned from getting banned.

Eeyore;842340712 said:

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LOL. I thought you learned from getting banned.

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Wow. What's your beef? Should I call you Mizery? Did I hurt your feelings somewhere to earn such ire from you?

I stand by my statement. I'm not going around calling people out because I don't agree with their season prediction. I'm not going around trying to make bets to silence people because I don't like that they're predicting 2 wins.

That kind of antagonizing behavior is way too early. We haven't even had game 1 yet. We had 1 win last year. 1! A 2 win prediction is totally valid and anyone wanting to silence that is trying to censor some valid opinions on this board. 2 wins is a lot closer to last gear's performance than 5 which makes it a much more plausible prediction.

freshfunk;842340716 said:

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Wow. What's your beef? Should I call you Mizery? Did I hurt your feelings somewhere to earn such ire from you?

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i'm convinced Mizery, SonofCal and SadDonkey are all the person. might as well be.

freshfunk;842339973 said:

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How far the bar has fallen. In any other year 4 wins would be an absolute insult and predicting a collapse of a season

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+1

jamonit;842339965 said:

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I am so tired of the horrible negativity on this site. So many people I believe are just talking negative to just vent or cause trouble. If you truly believe we won't win more than 2 games lets make a bet. Put your negative posting where your fingers are.

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Well, at least winning 3 games will be a victory for one person this year

freshfunk;842340703 said:

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They have new coaches but it's not like Sarkisian went out on bottom and they need to turn the program upside down. There's no scandal and UW did decently. I think a combination of the program being in a decent place, a decent level of talent and superior coaching will mean that UW will beat us by at least 10 and possibly 14 points. Yes, it's very early and it's mostly a hunch at this point but I think your cherry picking of stats while ignoring anything counter to your argument makes you blind.

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How is pointing out that they are losing most of their Off talent cherry picking stats? What is cherry picking out of all that?

"suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position."

They will have lost all those stats. Please tell me where is the significant portion of related data I left out? Oh right the fact it is a decent place... Yeah that is a really good point. It is a decent place so of course they will beat us. Fact they lose all those stats from losing their QB, RB, TE, Safeties, etc. That isn't cherry picking that is pointing to a team that lost a lot of important talent. Man you really are ridiculous and tiring.

Guys - jamonit isn't trying to silence people he's just making a friendly "put up or shut up" wager. Why does everyone have to make this into a war? This is one of the best football related threads we've had this offseason so obviously the concept resonates with people.

Unit2Sucks;842340840 said:

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Guys - jamonit isn't trying to silence people he's just making a friendly "put up or shut up" wager. Why does everyone have to make this into a war? This is one of the best football related threads we've had this offseason so obviously the concept resonates with people.

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That's right. I 'm going to sell shares in my bet and also going to lay off bets on greater than three wins. When I'm done I'll control the destiny of hundreds of poster.

GB54;842340845 said:

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That's right. I 'm going to sell shares in my bet and also going to lay off bets on greater than three wins. When I'm done I'll control the destiny of hundreds of poster.

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Oh crap I am in betting with KGB... You took the K off to confuse me! "He beat me... Pay him his posts"

Unit2Sucks;842340840 said:

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Guys - jamonit isn't trying to silence people he's just making a friendly "put up or shut up" wager. Why does everyone have to make this into a war? This is one of the best football related threads we've had this offseason so obviously the concept resonates with people.

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In his first post he said:

I am so tired of the horrible negativity on this site. So many people I believe are just talking negative to just vent or cause trouble....I am tired of all the people coming onto every thread and spewing this negative crap

That is friendly?

Unit2Sucks;842340840 said:

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Guys - jamonit isn't trying to silence people he's just making a friendly "put up or shut up" wager. Why does everyone have to make this into a war? This is one of the best football related threads we've had this offseason so obviously the concept resonates with people.

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Yeah not posting was probably a bad bet idea. With exception of the one person I am now ignoring, I don't want to stop people from posting their opinions. What fun would it be if we all felt the same way. I think something like only positive posts for a month would have been better. Really though I just wanted to see who really felt we were a 2 win or less team like they have been claiming. I mean when we have a new recruit post and people come in and bash the program, the coach, and worst of all the recruit they know nothing about it makes Cal and all Cal fans look bad. I understand frustration of wanting top recruits and wanting to win. I want all the top recruits and win every game. Taking it to public threads that the recruits are all sure to read gets way out of hand though IMO. It would suck if I committed to a school and felt so wonderful about coming to such a great school as Cal and then to get online and people are ripping me, ripping my offers, ripping the coaching staff, etc all while most don't even know what I have done, what my story is, what I will do my senior year, what I will do in college, etc.

jamonit;842340790 said:

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How is pointing out that they are losing most of their Off talent cherry picking stats? What is cherry picking out of all that?

"suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position."

They will have lost all those stats. Please tell me where is the significant portion of related data I left out? Oh right the fact it is a decent place... Yeah that is a really good point. It is a decent place so of course they will beat us. Fact they lose all those stats from losing their QB, RB, TE, Safeties, etc. That isn't cherry picking that is pointing to a team that lost a lot of important talent. Man you really are ridiculous and tiring.

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You get frustrated so easily. Take a deep breath. It's possible to have a civil conversation and disagree without resorting to personal attacks.

It's cherry picking, plain and simple. You've picked stats from a few players. You completely ignored the overall state of the program. Youve ignored last year's score where they destroyed us. You've ignored their record against us the past 5 years. You've ignored the quality of coaching (along with experience). You portray their situation as a rebuilding one. Lastly you cherry picked players that left the program without addressing whether there are capable players to fill their spots.

OaktownBear;842340851 said:

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In his first post he said:

I am so tired of the horrible negativity on this site. So many people I believe are just talking negative to just vent or cause trouble....I am tired of all the people coming onto every thread and spewing this negative crap

That is friendly?

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LOL... True on that. I came up with the idea as a friendly wager, but did post in frustration. I can easily see now why there has been a lot of hostility towards the bet idea. We live and learn.... Sometimes emotions get the best of all of us and I think it got the best of me. It would have been better if I was much more calm and the bet was better. Really though I had seen a bunch of posts these last few months about how we will be worse, we won't win more than 2 games, etc and I wanted to see who actually felt that way or if they were just venting on every thread. I think it is pretty clear that even the most negative perspective thinks we will improve at least some this year. I wouldn't have guess that before this thread.

OaktownBear;842340851 said:

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In his first post he said:

I am so tired of the horrible negativity on this site. So many people I believe are just talking negative to just vent or cause trouble....I am tired of all the people coming onto every thread and spewing this negative crap

That is friendly?

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The wager he proposed is voluntary. If he had been willing to bet $5 straight up against each poster I suppose that would have been less controversial but as constructed I consider this a friendly wager. Bets like this make things interesting and would give the community something to gab about for the next few months. I don't see what the big deal is or why everyone has their panties in a twist. If someone wants to stand behind their 2 wins or fewer conviction, like GB54, then this is a fun way of making a bet. I'm actually happy GB54 took on the bet because if we end up only winning 1 or 2 games, the good news is GB54 will be able to keep posting and he's one of, if not the, most entertaining posters here. I guess it'll suck if we win our first 3 games, lose 9 games in a row and not have GB54 around for 2 months, but that's what makes the bet interesting ....

I'll quit posting if we go 1-11 again this year.




*cuz I'll be in a gutter somewhere.

NYCGOBEARS;842340864 said:

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I'll quit posting if we go 1-11 again this year.




*cuz I'll be in a gutter somewhere.

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I will limit my posts per day to our win total or less.

NYCGOBEARS;842340864 said:

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I'll quit posting if we go 1-11 again this year.




*cuz I'll be in a gutter somewhere.

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But basketball season is coming???

Good point. I will limit my football posts per day to our win total or less.

jamonit;842340855 said:

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I think something like only positive posts for a month would have been better.

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Why? Is pretending that something that you think is bad is good a good thing?

powripp;842340876 said:

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Why? Is pretending that something that you think is bad is good a good thing?

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I didn't say in that bet you had to post stuff you didn't believe, but just eliminate posts where you are negative.

jamonit;842340877 said:

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I didn't say in that bet you had to post stuff you didn't believe, but just eliminate posts where you are negative.

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Let me clarify a few things

Many people think we will be "better" because we just had the worst season in the history of a historically very bad football program. It is almost impossible not to be "better".

Honestly, I think there is a very good possibility that we only win 1 or 2. We should handily beat CU, which is our second easiest game, but I have more confidence in Mac to make progress than Sonny, so that game concerns me.

I could also see Art making enough of a difference win a few more because he actually can coach.

But here is why, even if 2 wins was my prediction, I wouldn't take your bet and with one exception no one else will. If we go 3-9, I guarantee that I will be on here many times a day screaming for Dykes to get fired. Honestly I am troubled that ANYONE would want people to be positive at that point

jamonit;842340877 said:

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I didn't say in that bet you had to post stuff you didn't believe, but just eliminate posts where you are negative.

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Are people who feel down about the program not entitled to feel that way and to post what they believe? Why are your posts more valuable?

OaktownBear;842340892 said:

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Let me clarify a few things

Many people think we will be "better" because we just had the worst season in the history of a historically very bad football program. It is almost impossible not to be "better".

Honestly, I think there is a very good possibility that we only win 1 or 2. We should handily beat CU, which is our second easiest game, but I have more confidence in Mac to make progress than Sonny, so that game concerns me.

I could also see Art making enough of a difference win a few more because he actually can coach.

But here is why, even if 2 wins was my prediction, I wouldn't take your bet and with one exception no one else will. If we go 3-9, I guarantee that I will be on here many times a day screaming for Dykes to get fired. Honestly I am troubled that ANYONE would want people to be positive at that point

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You will be here even if we lose 4 games screaming... and probably 5 too. No shocking there.

powripp;842340896 said:

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Are people who feel down about the program not entitled to feel that way and to post what they believe? Why are your posts more valuable?

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Ummm... I am risking not posting also. That would mean that I could be not posting, not that they are more valuable. Not sure what your point is really though. You want to come on here and bash Sonny, the players, the recruits, etc at will, but not actually believe what you are saying? If you believe you will only win 2 or less games then make a bet.

Unit2Sucks;842340840 said:

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Guys - jamonit isn't trying to silence people he's just making a friendly "put up or shut up" wager. Why does everyone have to make this into a war? This is one of the best football related threads we've had this offseason so obviously the concept resonates with people.

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Put up what? That saying 2 wins is likely makes you a negabear and 3 makes you a realist?

The premise is ridiculous.

jamonit;842340900 said:

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Ummm... I am risking not posting also. That would mean that I could be not posting, not that they are more valuable. Not sure what your point is really though. You want to come on here and bash Sonny, the players, the recruits, etc at will, but not actually believe what you are saying? If you believe you will only win 2 or less games then make a bet.

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I haven't done any of those things, though I do think Dykes is way in over his head. I hope that they will do well, but I believe it to be a very pie in the sky hope.

Maybe you should just start posting less period. You seem to care more about your personal battles than the team.

powripp;842340903 said:

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I haven't done any of those things, though I do think Dykes is way in over his head. I hope that they will do well, but I believe it to be a very pie in the sky hope.

Maybe you should just start posting less period. You seem to care more about your personal battles than the team.

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Thank you for the wonderful advice

Phantomfan;842340902 said:

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Put up what? That saying 2 wins is likely makes you a negabear and 3 makes you a realist?

The premise is ridiculous.

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Non stop posting negative messages even on welcome to Cal recruiting threads makes you a negabear. Negabear as in a negative bear fan. As in someone who is always negative no matter what about the Bears. Hell our APR improved greatly this year, we are in the best academic standings we have been in years and some people still complained!! There are plenty of people that think 3-4 wins this year, that aren't happy with they way things currently are or happy with 3-4 wins, that don't have every post slamming any and every thing about this program. Just gets old really quick. Most aren't even rational comments or well thought out. Not saying you directly just in general. freshfunk or whatever would be a good example. Hell I haven't even called anyone that I can remember a negabear. Just said all the negativity is getting old. Just as I am sure some of the sunshine pumping can get old also, but at least sunshine pumping isn't a huge insult to our newly committed players.

My point was simple... If you don't truly believe we can win more than 2 games lets make a wager. Never said my stakes were great and actually have admitted they weren't that good of an idea compared to others. I also admitted that I let my frustration come out in my OP... Of course I can admit when I am wrong and it seems others can't... Again not saying you directly Phantomfan just in general.

jamonit;842340897 said:

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You will be here even if we lose 4 games screaming... and probably 5 too. No shocking there.

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Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on how the wins and losses look.

Flat out, I have a long posting record here that shows that I will support coaches that give me anything to work with. I supported Tedford. I supported Monty. And heck, I gave Braun the benefit of the doubt longer than most. You can try and paint me as someone who will make the same judgment no matter what the facts are, but that is total BS. I'd look in the mirror, buddy. You are supporting a coach who had the worst season in school history, who won one game, barely, against an FCS opponent, who lost on average 46-23, and who got blown out by 50 by the school rival. You know what happens to coaches that do that anywhere else? They get fired. I'm not the one with the bizarre, illogical conclusion here.

So while you are telling people to step up to their predictions, tell me if we don't win 3, will you acknowledge that maybe Dykes is not a wonder coach. What will it take for you to say the coach didn't do a good job? Based on your support of last year's performance, I'd have to guess their is no performance bad enough for you to draw that conclusion.