Anthony Brown quit the team, and then had this to say. Make of it what you will.

pingpong2;842347624 said:

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Anthony Brown quit the team, and then had this to say. Make of it what you will.

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Sark circus continues. Different school same storm of controversy blowing

Wild

lol. SC.

Hooray Sark!

Usually I only enjoy the occasional Schadenfurderloserdopen but I'm enjoying me some Schadentrojanloserdopen right about now.

But alas $C makes their own bad karma by their insane love of football and their willingness to support it. I wonder if Haden and Sark will try and stonewall the investigation. Well lets hope so!

beelzebear;842347643 said:

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Usually I only enjoy the occasional Schadenfurderloserdopen but I'm enjoying me some Schadentrojanloserdopen right about now.

But alas $C makes their own bad karma by their insane love of football and their willingness to support it. I wonder if Haden and Sark will try and stonewall the investigation. Well lets hope so!

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It was a really dumb hire. He was like the Anna Korinkova of college football coaches, except that he now fosters urban high diving and is now being accused of racism by a disgruntled player. Good luck on the season, Pat.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/8/28/6079443/anthony-brown-usc-steve-sarkisian-racist

KoreAmBear;842347645 said:

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It was a really dumb hire. He was like the Anna Korinkova of college football coaches, except that he now fosters urban high diving and is now being accused of racism by a disgruntled player. Good luck on the season, Pat.

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No, I think you guys are all over-reacting. According to Browns own words "He got me into his office and treated like a slave". Now, that means one of two things, either A, when he came to Sarks office, Sark made him do chores he did not one to do and without pay or B, Brown is simply confused about the definition of the words racist and slave.

You make that call

Its going to essentially be Kiffin all over again for them. Thats my prediction and i think its somewhat karma for what they did to Ed O.

Is this real racism or Instagram racism?

Racist or not...the U$C football program is in disarray and confusion. It's all that bad karma paying back!

beelzebear;842347673 said:

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Racist or not...the U$C football program is in disarray and confusion. It's all that bad karma paying back!

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Before you get too excited I would remember how Oregon looked after the Blount incident in Chipper's first year.

gobears725;842347659 said:

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Its going to essentially be Kiffin all over again for them. Thats my prediction and i think its somewhat karma for what they did to Ed O.

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And what Sark did to us by colluding with Tosh and Kiesau. You have to do things the right way, or stuff like this will come back on you. War Jeff Tedford.

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beelzebear;842347673 said:

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Racist or not...the U$C football program is in disarray and confusion. It's all that bad karma paying back!

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The very existence of USC's football team is proof positive that there is no such thing as karma...or God, for that matter.

OaktownBear;842347676 said:

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Before you get too excited I would remember how Oregon looked after the Blount incident in Chipper's first year.

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But with Blount, it was obvious what happened. He threw punches on National TV. The only question was how long was he going to be suspended.

This is potentially worse because it's hidden, he said, (s)he said corollary. It has the potential to eat away at the team chemistry and bond with the coaches only because no one really knows what happened.

OaktownBear;842347676 said:

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Before you get too excited I would remember how Oregon looked after the Blount incident in Chipper's first year.

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Exactly, OTB. I was thinking the same thing.

Actually, I think that Brown did Sarkisian a huge favor. Brown may have single-handedly removed a source of dissension and surly discontent by quitting the team. It wouldn't surprise me if Brown's definition of slavery is having to do something that you don't want to do.

I mean, really. You spend four years playing on USC's football team (Brown is a RS senior) and then, in your fifth year, you claim "slavery"?

OaktownBear;842347676 said:

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Before you get too excited I would remember how Oregon looked after the Blount incident in Chipper's first year.

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86Oski;842347691 said:

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The very existence of USC's football team is proof positive that there is no such thing as karma...or God, for that matter.

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Nah, U$C had to forfeit a national title and they're in their own special zone of weirdness...with OJ, stone wall Mike Garrett, Haden in for the fix and Sark in to revive. Well old habits are hard to break. Since $C got back on top (around '02-'04) they've been relentless in their pursuit of a NC and in the process their boobery and stupidity have shined through. Getting nicked a NC and then Kiffin and the sanctions...they didn't get by, they got hammered, esp. when you consider what other violators got (off easy).

FiatSlug;842347700 said:

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Exactly, OTB. I was thinking the same thing.

Actually, I think that Brown did Sarkisian a huge favor. Brown may have single-handedly removed a source of dissension and surly discontent by quitting the team. It wouldn't surprise me if Brown's definition of slavery is having to do something that you don't want to do.

I mean, really. You spend four years playing on USC's football team (Brown is a RS senior) and then, in your fifth year, you claim "slavery"?

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The 5th year is the tenure year though for accusing a coach of racism. It's in the CBA - we an go check it out at Northwestern.

BS. Other Players on the 'SC team have tweeted things to indicate Sark is a great coach/guy. Reminds me of the Wazzou star WR who quit and made bad remarks about Leach during Leach's initial year. I think USC will be fine and has a GREAT chance of winning the Pac-12 this year.

Don't know enough about Sark to judge him personally but from a football standpoint he did come to UW when they were garbage (0-12) in Willingham's final year and got them back on track. Now that Sark has a few year's of head coaching experience, we will see how he performs.

FiatSlug;842347700 said:

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Exactly, OTB. I was thinking the same thing.

Actually, I think that Brown did Sarkisian a huge favor. Brown may have single-handedly removed a source of dissension and surly discontent by quitting the team. It wouldn't surprise me if Brown's definition of slavery is having to do something that you don't want to do.

I mean, really. You spend four years playing on USC's football team (Brown is a RS senior) and then, in your fifth year, you claim "slavery"?

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Well it's not like he was playing for Sark in his past years. So it's not that out of the question that he felt like something Sark did was uniquely bad for him or something.

FiatSlug;842347700 said:

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Exactly, OTB. I was thinking the same thing.

Actually, I think that Brown did Sarkisian a huge favor. Brown may have single-handedly removed a source of dissension and surly discontent by quitting the team. It wouldn't surprise me if Brown's definition of slavery is having to do something that you don't want to do.

I mean, really. You spend four years playing on USC's football team (Brown is a RS senior) and then, in your fifth year, you claim "slavery"?

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I agree that this new incident is likely nothing... but one MAJOR difference between UO and USC is the media presence and persistence that surrounds an LA school vs one in Eugene. If there's anything remotely fishy, it will be sought out like gold. The Ducks may be popular, but it's still a relatively insignificant school in a small town in the PNW.

gobears725;842347659 said:

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Its going to essentially be Kiffin all over again for them. Thats my prediction and i think its somewhat karma for what they did to Ed O.

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To make the exact same hiring mistake twice is epic. They may as well have asked Kiffen to dye his hair black and grow a goatee and re-hired him. I'd love to have been in the room when they discussed it: "Well, the first offensive co-coordinator from the Pete Carroll glory days didn't work out so well (who would've thunk it given his mediocre track record as a head coach) so let's hire the other offensive co-cordinator from the same time with a mediocre track record (although slightly better). We had the right idea with Kiffen and have no idea why it failed, so let's just go for a redo with Sark." If things go poorly with Sark, which I agree is highly likely, it will make for some comedic gold around the conference.

bigcocoon007;842347704 said:

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BS. Other Players on the 'SC team have tweeted things to indicate Sark is a great coach/guy. Reminds me of the Wazzou star WR who quit and made bad remarks about Leach during Leach's initial year. I think USC will be fine and has a GREAT chance of winning the Pac-12 this year.

Don't know enough about Sark to judge him personally but from a football standpoint he did come to UW when they were garbage (0-12) in Willingham's final year and got them back on track. Now that Sark has a few year's of head coaching experience, we will see how he performs.

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I call BS on that though. As Koreambear mentioned earlier, the guy hired Tosh, a sleaze in his own right, in a sleazy way to try to bomb our recruiting class. players can say that hes great all he wants. at best ill say that i think he has questionable character. btw Leach has questionable character too, locking his players in the closet as punishment. tsk tsk tsk

StillNoStanfurdium;842347708 said:

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Well it's not like he was playing for Sark in his past years. So it's not that out of the question that he felt like something Sark did was uniquely bad for him or something.

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Brown probably thought that 5th year seniors get to coach the team. When Sark told him to do something, he said, "You don't tell me what to do. I tell you. I ain't your slave." And, away they went.

socaliganbear;842347711 said:

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I agree that this new incident is likely nothing... but one MAJOR difference between UO and USC is the media presence and persistence that surrounds an LA school vs one in Eugene. If there's anything remotely fishy, it will be sought out like gold. The Ducks may be popular, but it's still a relatively insignificant school in a small town in the PNW.

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Very good point. The population of Oregon is something like 3.5m, where the LA metro area has 12m people alone and is the media capital of the country. Also $C is LA's default pro team. I'm sure everything is covered in Oregon about Oregon FB but can't really compare to being in area where every major media outlet has a major presence.

Unit2Sucks;842347713 said:

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To make the exact same hiring mistake twice is epic. They may as well have asked Kiffen to dye his hair black and grow a goatee and re-hired him. I'd love to have been in the room when they discussed it: "Well, the first offensive co-coordinator from the Pete Carroll glory days didn't work out so well (who would've thunk it given his mediocre track record as a head coach) so let's hire the other offensive co-cordinator from the same time with a mediocre track record (although slightly better). We had the right idea with Kiffen and have no idea why it failed, so let's just go for a redo with Sark." If things go poorly with Sark, which I agree is highly likely, it will make for some comedic gold around the conference.

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USC lacks foresight and imagination and they keep going back to the glory years of '02-'04...and they completely lucked on Pete Carroll.

KoreAmBear;842347645 said:

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It was a really dumb hire. He was like the Anna Korinkova of college football coaches, except that he now fosters urban high diving and is now being accused of racism by a disgruntled player. Good luck on the season, Pat.

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Except I never had a signed poster of Sarkisian on my wall twenty years ago.

gobears725;842347714 said:

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I call BS on that though. As Koreambear mentioned earlier, the guy hired Tosh, a sleaze in his own right, in a sleazy way to try to bomb our recruiting class. players can say that hes great all he wants. at best ill say that i think he has questionable character. btw Leach has questionable character too, locking his players in the closet as punishment. tsk tsk tsk

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So you wouldn't want Dykes to hire a great assistant/recruiter from UW, Stanford, UCLA even though it could bomb their recruiting class?

gobears725;842347714 said:

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I call BS on that though. As Koreambear mentioned earlier, the guy hired Tosh, a sleaze in his own right, in a sleazy way to try to bomb our recruiting class. players can say that hes great all he wants. at best ill say that i think he has questionable character. btw Leach has questionable character too, locking his players in the closet as punishment. tsk tsk tsk

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I was simply indicating that other USC players have expressed their opinions as well..

beelzebear;842347724 said:

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USC lacks foresight and imagination and they keep going back to the glory years of '02-'04...and they completely lucked on Pete Carroll.

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...and they continue to kick our @sses year after year after year..

72CalBear;842347778 said:

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...and they continue to kick our @sses year after year after year..

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They are L.A.'s pro team, what did you expect?

72CalBear;842347778 said:

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...and they continue to kick our @sses year after year after year..

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Beating Cal won't get them a title though.

socaliganbear;842347786 said:

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Beating Cal won't get them a title though.

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If $c gets a title somehow, they'll have to return it when they're caught.

bigcocoon007;842347746 said:

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So you wouldn't want Dykes to hire a great assistant/recruiter from UW, Stanford, UCLA even though it could bomb their recruiting class?

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Except that is really sugarcoating what happened. He hired Tosh two weeks before LOI day and made a deal with Tosh to pay him a bonus for every 4 and 5 star player he could poach, then Tosh used Cal's last in home with our top committed recruit the night before he jumped on plane to accept the job at UW leaving Tedford waiting at the airport. Tosh spent the rest of the recruiting period bad mouthing Cal more than selling UW--with the result that many of our commits jumped to Oregon and UCLA.

I don't know if you are a friend of Tosh or a fan of SC or UW, but you disingenuously try to imply that hiring Tosh only bombed our recruiting class because Tosh was such a great recruiter instead of the reality that Tosh [U]intentionally[/U] bombed Cal's recruiting class, all with Sark's tacit approval and encouragement.