82% pick Stanford over Cal

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gardenstatebear
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That 82% represents students admitted to both institutions.

OTOH, 58% of dually admitted students pick Cal over UCLA.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/04/upshot/college-picks.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&abt=0002&abg=1
Bobodeluxe
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Surprised it's that low. A sure thing with intro's is tough to pass up. Also, tuition is just as affordable for those in need.
HaasBear04
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why post that?
CalAlumnus13
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Sounds like 82% of dually admitted students are too dumb for Cal anyway.
pingpong2
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CalAlumnus13;842352215 said:

Sounds like 82% of dually admitted students are too dumb for Cal anyway.


It's that kind of thinking that perpetuates the sour grapes image. The fact of the matter is that most Cal students did not get into Stanfurd, just like most UCSD students did not get into UCLA.
HaloBear
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pingpong2;842352232 said:

It's that kind of thinking that perpetuates the sour grapes image. The fact of the matter is that most Cal students did not get into Stanfurd, just like most UCSD students did not get into UCLA.


What does your brand of inability to detect likely sarcasm perpetuate?
pingpong2
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HaloBear;842352233 said:

What does your brand of inability to detect likely sarcasm perpetuate?


Is it sarcasm? There's a fair amount of diehard Cal fans who I believe truly think anyone who picks Stanfurd over Cal is a grade A moron.
NYCGOBEARS
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pingpong2;842352237 said:

Is it sarcasm? There's a fair amount of diehard Cal fans who I believe truly think anyone who picks Stanfurd over Cal is a grade A moron.


That'd be me.
socaliganbear
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vs USC is a larger sample size than the Furd comparison. 67% pick Cal over the trojans.
Phantomfan
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gardenstatebear;842352209 said:

That 82% represents students admitted to both institutions.

OTOH, 58% of dually admitted students pick Cal over UCLA.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/04/upshot/college-picks.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&abt=0002&abg=1

82...

I remember that number from somewhere...significant year maybe?
sketchy9
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I picked Cal and I don't regret it for a second. This was back when financial aid was hard to come by so it would have been a $20k/year difference (in 1990s dollars). For what? I got into the grad school of my choice and am doing exactly what I set out to do.
SonOfCalVa
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Phantomfan;842352241 said:

82...

I remember that number from somewhere...significant year maybe?


Dunno ... maybe someone can twitter Johnnie Heisman Elway and ask him if 82 means anything to him.
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SonOfCalVa;842352244 said:

Dunno ... maybe someone can twitter Johnnie Heisman Elway and ask him if 82 means anything to him.


It may not even ring a bell especially for someone who went onto play so many years in the NFL..
HaasBear04
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sketchy9;842352242 said:

I picked Cal and I don't regret it for a second. This was back when financial aid was hard to come by so it would have been a $20k/year difference (in 1990s dollars). For what? I got into the grad school of my choice and am doing exactly what I set out to do.


Everybody on this board picked cal over stanford, harvard, cambridge, caltech etc..

That's why I'm kind of shocked about that 82% figure.
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pingpong2;842352237 said:

Is it sarcasm? There's a fair amount of diehard Cal fans who I believe truly think anyone who picks Stanfurd over Cal is a grade A moron.


I don't think they're all morons, I just think they're generally the type of people looking for the easy way rather than willing to buckle down and really work through adversity. Aka, more often than not they're soft and not people you want to have to rely on in the real world.
socaliganbear
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pingpong2;842352232 said:

It's that kind of thinking that perpetuates the sour grapes image. The fact of the matter is that most Cal students did not get into Stanfurd, just like most UCSD students did not get into UCLA.


Well, if they taught how to understand sarcasm at Furd, they clearly deserve all those would be Cal students over us. Win for the tree.
calumnus
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OldBlue1999;842352255 said:

I don't think they're all morons, I just think they're generally the type of people looking for the easy way rather than willing to buckle down and really work through adversity. Aka, more often than not they're soft and not people you want to have to rely on in the real world.


I picked Cal over Stanford, but not because I thought it would be harder. I picked Cal because it seemed like it would be more fun and exciting, was more what I wanted college to be (large lecture halls and studying in cafes) and I liked the people I met better (especially cuter, smart, more down to earth girls). Being from L.A. I loved the creeks running through campus and views of San Francisco and the Golden Gate Bridge from campus and BART. Stanford seemed boring and pretentious, and at that time, not very diverse, plus I was convinced I only got in as a legacy. Not to mention the price difference. Cal was just exactly what I wanted and was a bargain to boot. It just felt right and over the years I've marveled at the wisdom of that decision.
59bear
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I thought that sounded low for Big Game predictions, then I realized it referred to matriculation!
BeachyBear
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Which basically means every student in California with dreams of going to Furd also applied to Cal. Meaningless stat. The students who choose one or the other are looking for completely different experiences. Yes, we're a fallback school for a lot of 'Furd applicants, and more than a few here fit that criteria, but the schools are night and day different. UCLA, and even USC, are more of an apples-to-apples comparison - large schools, urban area, comparability in price of tuition and housing (SC gives tuition breaks to high-achieving applicants).

And obviously this is in reference to undergrad. For almost all graduate programs, it's the other way around.

And it all means nothing ten years out of school, except for the experiences you take with you.
NYCGOBEARS
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BeachyBear;842352280 said:


And it all means nothing ten years out of school, except for the experiences you take with you.

And the teams you root for. F&ck Furd!
burritos
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Wow, more people picked ASU over UofA.
BeachyBear
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NYCGOBEARS;842352287 said:

And the teams you root for. F&ck Furd!


That too. See my avatar for my feelings about Furd.
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OldBlue1999;842352255 said:

I don't think they're all morons, I just think they're generally the type of people looking for the easy way rather than willing to buckle down and really work through adversity. Aka, more often than not they're soft and not people you want to have to rely on in the real world.


Bingo!

I've always viewed Furd as an elitist University that cares more about propagation of superiority, class divide, and hubris rather than true education and opportunity. To me Stanford = Halliburton, Phillip Morris, Monsanto, etc. of education - that is they really don't give sh*t about anybody or anything but themselves and their "profit" (in educational terms). This is why as an undergrad I only applied to Berkeley (thank god I got in, lol).

I have found in the work world furdies are not nearly as talented nor do they work as hard as I would expect, and most I have met have an ego that barely fits in the room with others. Granted, I've only worked with a few dozen or so, and I'm sure there are down-to-earth furdies that do not give off that smug arrogance they seem to breed on the farm. Now, I simply trash resume's from furdies because they just aren't worth the time & effort. Let someone else deal with them because I can find more talented, motivated, and hard-working people who aren't conceited!

One small example, one of my best programmers is a Cal CS 2nd year... kid can write code like no-ones business and is as humble and hard working as I found. The kid is a "Furd reject" (his words). I'm actually kind of happy he's at Cal because I think the rejection, adversity, and challenges have made him better (plus he wanted to stay on during the semester, so hope to have him another year or two). He tells me how his friends at furd have much easier classes, and it's not nearly as competitive to get good grades (he's getting C's/B's at Cal whereas all his friends are getting A's at furd for what he views as inferior work). I can tell you this kid is going to be a superstar! My only concern for him is that when he's ready to start his own company, it will not be nearly as easy to raise capital and get things going as it would be if he had went to furd. I know first hand how hard it is (Berkeley undergrad, Cornell MBA here), and furdies have it much much easier. I am wrapping up the sale of my first company (should close next month), and as an entrepreneur it would have been much easier as a furdie. They take care of their own regardless. How else can you explain kids making take-pics-up-girls-skirts apps and the like getting funded (being facetious).

Go Bears!!!
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gardenstatebear;842352209 said:

That 82% represents students admitted to both institutions.

OTOH, 58% of dually admitted students pick Cal over UCLA.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/04/upshot/college-picks.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=second-column-regionion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&abt=0002&abg=1


And 82% of the parents that have to write just tuition checks would have picked Cal (note this means you throw out any family making under 100K since Furd will provide them a free ride, and the super rich, who write donation checks in addition to tuition checks).

Furd has just as good an academic reputation, and you don't have to deal with urban complexities that Berkeley presents (being nice here), as compared to nice pastural environment provided at Furd. We have all said Cal isn't for everyone, but it sure worked for me, and I'm glad I turned Furd down, at least for undergrad. My guess is that kids really don't do the research about the grade inflation at Furd that make it more presentable to some, or other more complex issues. Why kids select schools is all over the map. I can recall in high school guys looking at the male/female ratios, and one friend even selecting Vasser for that reason. My cousin chose Cal over Furd because Cal is better in the sport he plays. OTOH, Mrs. Furd was interested in attending Cal, but her mother (a Furd grad) drove her from Oakland airport through Oakland and down Telegraph (which was skuzzy to say the least in those days) rather than the freeway, and made sure she saw some bizarre demonstration in Sproul Plaza (literally a protest to support the right to protest). Then my dear mother in law took her shopping at the Stanford Mall, and had her have lunch with some provost type in the one fancy restaurant Palo Alto had in those days. Amusing I suppose.

Image is another issue. In many circles Cal is mis-charectorized as a place for the lunatic left that will brain wash your kids, where Furd will put your kid into fine society and a nice paying career. Both school are much more alike than anyone cares to admit.
socaliganbear
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Just realized that USC is actually a bigger school than Cal. Interesting.
powripp
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pingpong2;842352237 said:

Is it sarcasm? There's a fair amount of diehard Cal fans who I believe truly think anyone who picks Stanfurd over Cal is a grade A moron.


Well, those people are fools. Stanford degree is far more valuable than a Cal degree other than in a few specific disciplines if for no other reason than because they actually help open doors for you after graduation. Cal can't wait to kick you out the door unceremoniously and then start begging you for money.
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pingpong2;842352232 said:

It's that kind of thinking that perpetuates the sour grapes image. The fact of the matter is that most Cal students did not get into Stanfurd, just like most UCSD students did not get into UCLA.


That's why it's interesting to see that 18% of kids chose Cal over Furd. Also, interesting to see so many kids choose UCLA over Cal.
socaliganbear
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powripp;842352340 said:

Well, those people are fools. Stanford degree is far more valuable than a Cal degree other than in a few specific disciplines if for no other reason than because they actually help open doors for you after graduation. Cal can't wait to kick you out the door unceremoniously and then start begging you for money.


Networking at a tiny school is easy. If you didn't manage it at Cal, and you're right they won't do it for you, you didn't try hard enough. It's all there for you. The major difference is that at a school with such a high concentration of born schmoozers, that tiny populaiton will know to schmooze regardless. The schmoozers at Cal know how/who, but there are plenty of kids for whom this is foreign.
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HaasBear04;842352214 said:

why post that?


LOL. I didn't even apply to Furd. So there.

Out Of The Past
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socaliganbear;842352345 said:

Networking at a tiny school is easy. If you didn't manage it at Cal, and you're right they won't do it for you, you didn't try hard enough. It's all there for you. The major difference is that at a school with such a high concentration of born schmoozers, that tiny populaiton will know to schmooze regardless. The schmoozers at Cal know how/who, but there are plenty of kids for whom this is foreign.


Excellent point. The Ivy's are similar. A much higher percentage of the undergraduate population has grown up in atmosphere of aggressive networking.
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pingpong2;842352237 said:

Is it sarcasm? There's a fair amount of diehard Cal fans who I believe truly think anyone who picks Stanfurd over Cal is a grade A moron.


Well, "grade A" for most of them, but, for the lamer Stanfurd students, "grade B" morons.
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It was a long, long time ago but I applied to Stanford and Cal and got accepted at both. One of the many reasons I chose Cal was because of years of going to Cal football games and walking around campus, playing football, dining near the campus, and having a ton of fun. Not that I was a great "catch" for Cal but I and many of my cousins are definitive proof that sports do have a significant positive impact on the university and its reputation, tradition, and popularity.
Go Bears!
bear2034
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If the Cal undergraduate student body was 1/3 the size it is now, similar to Furd's, the numbers would even out.
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Draw conclusions based on a sample size of n = 44 self-reported results at your own risk.
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BeachyBear;842352280 said:

Which basically means every student in California with dreams of going to Furd also applied to Cal. Meaningless stat. The students who choose one or the other are looking for completely different experiences. Yes, we're a fallback school for a lot of 'Furd applicants, and more than a few here fit that criteria, but the schools are night and day different. UCLA, and even USC, are more of an apples-to-apples comparison - large schools, urban area, comparability in price of tuition and housing (SC gives tuition breaks to high-achieving applicants).

And obviously this is in reference to undergrad. For almost all graduate programs, it's the other way around.

And it all means nothing ten years out of school, except for the experiences you take with you.


Bingo. Most kids that prefer Cal to Stanford (especially from California) do not even bother with the lengthy Stanford application and its $90 non-refundable fee. Cal had 73,711 applicants, mostly from California. Stanford had 42,167 applicants, mostly from outside of California. Most people who apply to Cal probably do not even apply to Stanford.
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