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jamonit
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We have never been behind all season in a game until a no time on the clock, hail mary prayer put AZ ahead of Cal. Think about that for a second as you post so many comments about how bad you think this team is or did or has done. We have been tied at 0 or lead for 179 mins and 59 seconds. We are still extremely young and not very experienced, but they have shown beyond amazing improvement. Rather than complain and slam everything about that game and this team, maybe you should take a step back and see the gigantic difference and improvement this team has made. They have a ways to go and should only continue to get better as they get more experience and hopefully depth. This game sucked but my goodness what a better game to watch compared to last year. I actually enjoyed 3 quarters of this game and parts of the 4th. We wore out. Why? Well partially because we moved the ball in big chunks. Should we tell our players go down after the first down so we can run more plays?*

Seriously two of the hardest to complete plays happened against us in an onside kick and a hail mary. Not to mention a crazy ball about to hit the ground flipped up into a defenders hands Int. They needed all of that to beat us. Think about that... Every single ounce of it. Future is look so much better. Go Bears!
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I am not one of those slamming the team (though the coaches do deserve a bit of criticism). I agree this team is improved and we should see what happens - whether we are on the road to being a good team or to being a mediocre team. Just as importantly, how this team plays against Colorado and Wazzu, one bad opponent at home and a mediocre opponent on the road, will be important to judge whether the coaches have instilled toughness and confidence in the team. Most teams have the appearance of toughness and confidence when things are going well, so now is the time when that stuff is best observed.

Cal was ahead all of the first two games for 120 minutes because our opponents sucked. Being ahead of Arizona, a fairly good team, for the whole game on the road was indeed an accomplishment, though sadly a futile one in the end.

I do want to say that you are cherry picking how unlucky Cal got. Cal was incredibly lucky for large parts of this game.
- Solomon was uncharacteristically inaccurate (I mean borderline Ayoob-like inaccurate) in the first half, missing several open receivers on what would have been big plays and/or TDs. It didn't look to me like this was the result of overwhelming pressure from us - he was just off, until he turned it on in the second half. I think if he didn't have a terrible first half, our halftime lead is probably more like 28-24.
- AZ was clearly overlooking us in the first half and expected us to just suck. Busted coverages, lackadaisical on offense. To our credit, we (esp. Goff) took advantage of them taking us for granted, at least for a half.
- Uncharacteristic shanked chip shot field goal off the post - completely demoralizing to Wildcats to get nothing after they just stripped Rubenzer deep in Cal territory.
- While there were bad/borderline calls or no-calls against Cal (including no-call on offensive PI and illegal formation/ineligible downfield on the hail mary), there were probably even more against Zona. It was the first time in a long time that I felt the refs actually favored us slightly on the road.

If not for all of that, Zona may well not have needed the hail mary and been up by a couple scores against us at the end of the game. BUT - every team deserves to get some breaks once in a while and beat (what I think was) a slightly superior team on the road. Saturday night should have been that game for us. Instead we got another kick in the groin.

And finally, there was nothing hard about that particular successful onside kick against us. If both teams line up the same way 10 times with the same approach to the ball (without memory of the previous times), Zona probably executes that successfully at least 6 or 7 out of 10. It worked 1 out of 2 the first time, or 1 out of 1 because Harris negated his play on the ball by chucking it out of bounds. AZ saw it too because the Cats went to the exact same well again later on their final onside kick, but I think we had an extra guy by then, and Hudson took a much more aggressive approach to securing the ball than any of the guys on that side the first time.

Agreed that the pick and the hail mary were unlucky, though of course, if we keep having DBs run with and 'cover' receivers on hail mary passes, it makes it a lot more likely that they will be completed on us (PI/formations aside).

Future looks much better than last year - totally agree, and I'll be at the game against CU (my young son's second game, first was Sac St). But the future being much brighter than last year is like saying 'not as dumb as a rock'. It's the lowest bar possible. Does it mean smarter than a Cal PhD? Could be. Or does it mean smarter than a Zona C-average student? Smarter than an actual wildcat, the animal? Unknown at this point.
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jamonit;842364137 said:

We have never been behind all season in a game until a no time on the clock, hail mary prayer put AZ ahead of Cal. Think about that for a second as you post so many comments about how bad you think this team is or did or has done. We have been tied at 0 or lead for 179 mins and 59 seconds. We are still extremely young and not very experienced, but they have shown beyond amazing improvement. Rather than complain and slam everything about that game and this team, maybe you should take a step back and see the gigantic difference and improvement this team has made. They have a ways to go and should only continue to get better as they get more experience and hopefully depth. This game sucked but my goodness what a better game to watch compared to last year. I actually enjoyed 3 quarters of this game and parts of the 4th. We wore out. Why? Well partially because we moved the ball in big chunks. Should we tell our players go down after the first down so we can run more plays?*

Seriously two of the hardest to complete plays happened against us in an onside kick and a hail mary. Not to mention a crazy ball about to hit the ground flipped up into a defenders hands Int. They needed all of that to beat us. Think about that... Every single ounce of it. Future is look so much better. Go Bears!


:bravo
heartofthebear
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OneKeg;842364162 said:

I am not one of those slamming the team (though the coaches do deserve a bit of criticism). I agree this team is improved and we should see what happens - whether we are on the road to being a good team or to being a mediocre team. Just as importantly, how this team plays against Colorado and Wazzu, one bad opponent at home and a mediocre opponent on the road, will be important to judge whether the coaches have instilled toughness and confidence in the team. Most teams have the appearance of toughness and confidence when things are going well, so now is the time when that stuff is best observed.

Cal was ahead all of the first two games for 120 minutes because our opponents sucked. Being ahead of Arizona, a fairly good team, for the whole game on the road was indeed an accomplishment, though sadly a futile one in the end.

I do want to say that you are cherry picking how unlucky Cal got. Cal was incredibly lucky for large parts of this game.
- Solomon was uncharacteristically inaccurate (I mean borderline Ayoob-like inaccurate) in the first half, missing several open receivers on what would have been big plays and/or TDs. It didn't look to me like this was the result of overwhelming pressure from us - he was just off, until he turned it on in the second half. I think if he didn't have a terrible first half, our halftime lead is probably more like 28-24.
- AZ was clearly overlooking us in the first half and expected us to just suck. Busted coverages, lackadaisical on offense. To our credit, we (esp. Goff) took advantage of them taking us for granted, at least for a half.
- Uncharacteristic shanked chip shot field goal off the post - completely demoralizing to Wildcats to get nothing after they just stripped Rubenzer deep in Cal territory.
- While there were bad/borderline calls or no-calls against Cal (including no-call on offensive PI and illegal formation/ineligible downfield on the hail mary), there were probably even more against Zona. It was the first time in a long time that I felt the refs actually favored us slightly on the road.

If not for all of that, Zona may well not have needed the hail mary and been up by a couple scores against us at the end of the game. BUT - every team deserves to get some breaks once in a while and beat (what I think was) a slightly superior team on the road. Saturday night should have been that game for us. Instead we got another kick in the groin.

And finally, there was nothing hard about that particular successful onside kick against us. If both teams line up the same way 10 times with the same approach to the ball (without memory of the previous times), Zona probably executes that successfully at least 6 or 7 out of 10. It worked 1 out of 2 the first time, or 1 out of 1 because Harris negated his play on the ball by chucking it out of bounds. AZ saw it too because the Cats went to the exact same well again later on their final onside kick, but I think we had an extra guy by then, and Hudson took a much more aggressive approach to securing the ball than any of the guys on that side the first time.

Agreed that the pick and the hail mary were unlucky, though of course, if we keep having DBs run with and 'cover' receivers on hail mary passes, it makes it a lot more likely that they will be completed on us (PI/formations aside).

Future looks much better than last year - totally agree, and I'll be at the game against CU (my young son's second game, first was Sac St). But the future being much brighter than last year is like saying 'not as dumb as a rock'. It's the lowest bar possible. Does it mean smarter than a Cal PhD? Could be. Or does it mean smarter than a Zona C-average student? Smarter than an actual wildcat, the animal? Unknown at this point.


You're pretty funny.

More seriously, the improvements are not being compared to last year. Cal is being compared to other conference teams this year. We just look like we can compete every weekend this year. That is a significant improvement. Maybe part of that is that the other teams are worse. But sometimes the other teams look worse because you are better.

BTW: I agree, we had plenty of luck Sat. night. And Arizona should have beaten us by more than a hail mary. They are a good team but were initially poorly prepared for us, which clearly shows that teams who think we are only marginally better than last year will not be prepared for us this year.
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jamonit;842364137 said:

We have never been behind all season in a game until a no time on the clock, hail mary prayer put AZ ahead of Cal. Think about that for a second as you post so many comments about how bad you think this team is or did or has done. We have been tied at 0 or lead for 179 mins and 59 seconds. We are still extremely young and not very experienced, but they have shown beyond amazing improvement. Rather than complain and slam everything about that game and this team, maybe you should take a step back and see the gigantic difference and improvement this team has made. They have a ways to go and should only continue to get better as they get more experience and hopefully depth. This game sucked but my goodness what a better game to watch compared to last year. I actually enjoyed 3 quarters of this game and parts of the 4th. We wore out. Why? Well partially because we moved the ball in big chunks. Should we tell our players go down after the first down so we can run more plays?*

Seriously two of the hardest to complete plays happened against us in an onside kick and a hail mary. Not to mention a crazy ball about to hit the ground flipped up into a defenders hands Int. They needed all of that to beat us. Think about that... Every single ounce of it. Future is look so much better. Go Bears!


Thanks jamonit.
Feels good to be in agreement with you as you are usually one of the more articulate and thoughtful presenters here.

Now let's kick some A the rest of the season.
It can be done.
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OneKeg;842364162 said:

I am not one of those slamming the team (though the coaches do deserve a bit of criticism).


and then you proceed to spew on at length about how we weren't good, AZ was bad ... yadda yadda
Hope your son has a good time despite the yammering woulda, coulda, shoulda that he'll no doubt hear from you all game.

btw The coaches criticize themselves publicly. Kaufman sez it was on him.
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jamonit;842364137 said:

We have never been behind all season in a game until a no time on the clock, hail mary prayer put AZ ahead of Cal. Think about that for a second as you post so many comments about how bad you think this team is or did or has done. We have been tied at 0 or lead for 179 mins and 59 seconds. We are still extremely young and not very experienced, but they have shown beyond amazing improvement. Rather than complain and slam everything about that game and this team, maybe you should take a step back and see the gigantic difference and improvement this team has made. They have a ways to go and should only continue to get better as they get more experience and hopefully depth. This game sucked but my goodness what a better game to watch compared to last year. I actually enjoyed 3 quarters of this game and parts of the 4th. We wore out. Why? Well partially because we moved the ball in big chunks. Should we tell our players go down after the first down so we can run more plays?*

Seriously two of the hardest to complete plays happened against us in an onside kick and a hail mary. Not to mention a crazy ball about to hit the ground flipped up into a defenders hands Int. They needed all of that to beat us. Think about that... Every single ounce of it. Future is look so much better. Go Bears!


Thanks jamonit. Future does look so much better. One step at a time.
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Had we won we would have been halfway to a bowl game with Colorado coming in Saturday, a game we should win. Does it hurt that we lost the way we did, sure. Can we learn something from the loss, definitely. We scored so fast and so often in the first half that our defense was on the field for so many plays. The game was one that makes you want to come back in the next one and blow the other team off the field, which I think we will.

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OneKeg;842364162 said:

I am not one of those slamming the team (though the coaches do deserve a bit of criticism). I agree this team is improved and we should see what happens - whether we are on the road to being a good team or to being a mediocre team. Just as importantly, how this team plays against Colorado and Wazzu, one bad opponent at home and a mediocre opponent on the road, will be important to judge whether the coaches have instilled toughness and confidence in the team. Most teams have the appearance of toughness and confidence when things are going well, so now is the time when that stuff is best observed.

Cal was ahead all of the first two games for 120 minutes because our opponents sucked. Being ahead of Arizona, a fairly good team, for the whole game on the road was indeed an accomplishment, though sadly a futile one in the end.

I do want to say that you are cherry picking how unlucky Cal got. Cal was incredibly lucky for large parts of this game.
- Solomon was uncharacteristically inaccurate (I mean borderline Ayoob-like inaccurate) in the first half, missing several open receivers on what would have been big plays and/or TDs. It didn't look to me like this was the result of overwhelming pressure from us - he was just off, until he turned it on in the second half. I think if he didn't have a terrible first half, our halftime lead is probably more like 28-24.
- AZ was clearly overlooking us in the first half and expected us to just suck. Busted coverages, lackadaisical on offense. To our credit, we (esp. Goff) took advantage of them taking us for granted, at least for a half.
- Uncharacteristic shanked chip shot field goal off the post - completely demoralizing to Wildcats to get nothing after they just stripped Rubenzer deep in Cal territory.
- While there were bad/borderline calls or no-calls against Cal (including no-call on offensive PI and illegal formation/ineligible downfield on the hail mary), there were probably even more against Zona. It was the first time in a long time that I felt the refs actually favored us slightly on the road.

If not for all of that, Zona may well not have needed the hail mary and been up by a couple scores against us at the end of the game. BUT - every team deserves to get some breaks once in a while and beat (what I think was) a slightly superior team on the road. Saturday night should have been that game for us. Instead we got another kick in the groin.

And finally, there was nothing hard about that particular successful onside kick against us. If both teams line up the same way 10 times with the same approach to the ball (without memory of the previous times), Zona probably executes that successfully at least 6 or 7 out of 10. It worked 1 out of 2 the first time, or 1 out of 1 because Harris negated his play on the ball by chucking it out of bounds. AZ saw it too because the Cats went to the exact same well again later on their final onside kick, but I think we had an extra guy by then, and Hudson took a much more aggressive approach to securing the ball than any of the guys on that side the first time.

Agreed that the pick and the hail mary were unlucky, though of course, if we keep having DBs run with and 'cover' receivers on hail mary passes, it makes it a lot more likely that they will be completed on us (PI/formations aside).

Future looks much better than last year - totally agree, and I'll be at the game against CU (my young son's second game, first was Sac St). But the future being much brighter than last year is like saying 'not as dumb as a rock'. It's the lowest bar possible. Does it mean smarter than a Cal PhD? Could be. Or does it mean smarter than a Zona C-average student? Smarter than an actual wildcat, the animal? Unknown at this point.


You seem to think that "uncharacteristically inaccurate" is luck? It isn't as all QBs do that including Goff uncharacteristically being inaccurate in the 3rd quarter going 2-9. That isn't bad luck, that is not good play. That doesn't have to do with luck as much. Luck is the ball about to hit the ground and by miracle a hand not only gets under it, not only flicks it up, but it also happens to land right in the defenders arms. It isn't a common play while incompletions and stretches of incompletions are very common.

"- AZ was clearly overlooking us in the first half and expected us to just suck. Busted coverages, lackadaisical on offense. To our credit, we (esp. Goff) took advantage of them taking us for granted, at least for a half." This is you just making something up. Is every time we do good the other team was expecting us to just suck and played lackadaisical AND on the flip side if they suck it is because it is uncharacteristic and we were lucky? The answer is no that isn't the case. If it was the case then explain the two 70+ yard TD drives in the 4th quarter of that game. Were they still just expecting us to suck OR did Goff just have an uncharacteristic 3rd quarter completing passes and the 4th was us moving the ball again. There is nothing that supports what you were saying.

Missed FG even a short one... We missed a FG also. Players especially in college where the hashes are wider miss FGs including short ones. That one though I will give you though as it is rare for a kicker for the most part to miss a short FG.

The penalty thing I don't agree with. Cal had a ton of questionable calls against them or not called against them. Watch a couple of Solomans plays in the 4th and Kelly is held so bad on a play that was huge for them. No call in what would have put it 3rd and very long instead of the 1st down. I am not sure why holding isn't called in college football anymore. You can just grab the DL with both hands and never let go.

To the last part to sum this all up. Other things you said and to speak on.. They were 1 for 3 on the onside kicks. They didn't get one and a penalty let them re-kick it, then they got it, and then they didn't get the next one they tried after that. That is 1-2 or 1-3 (33%) if you want to talk about the penalty play. Onside in general across all college football is a very low percentage play. A ton has to go right for you to get the ball. One you have to kick it just right where it isn't going to fast, but not to slow either. Then you usually have to hope for a good bounce (which can't be predicted and needs ton of luck) or a bobble botch by the other team or a high bounce that hangs long enough for you team to get there while they don't, etc.. all while hoping it doesn't go out of bounds. It is a rare play. Same thing with the hail mary. You are throwing the ball into the endzone into triple or more coverage hoping your guy can come down with it out of desperation. It is a rare play because you can intercept it, it can be knocked down, it is crowded, a lot of players are all pulling at each other, etc.
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heartofthebear;842364180 said:

You're pretty funny.

More seriously, the improvements are not being compared to last year. Cal is being compared to other conference teams this year. We just look like we can compete every weekend this year. That is a significant improvement. Maybe part of that is that the other teams are worse. But sometimes the other teams look worse because you are better.

BTW: I agree, we had plenty of luck Sat. night. And Arizona should have beaten us by more than a hail mary. They are a good team but were initially poorly prepared for us, which clearly shows that teams who think we are only marginally better than last year will not be prepared for us this year.


I am not sure how you are coming to that conclusion? What was our lucky part?... Arizona should have beaten us by more? Umm what are you talking about? We played great and on offense only had one bad quarter and that was the 3rd. They were so poorly prepared for us is why we had the lead, then explain the 2 4th quarter 70+ yard drives we had in the 4th! Seriously that is just insane that people keep saying stuff like that. We were up because they weren't prepared for their conference opener against a 2-0 opponent and that the only reason we did good was because they were bad, but when they do good its because they are good and we are bad. Its crazy.
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heartofthebear;842364181 said:

Thanks jamonit.
Feels good to be in agreement with you as you are usually one of the more articulate and thoughtful presenters here.

Now let's kick some A the rest of the season.
It can be done.


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bar20;842364191 said:

Had we won we would have been halfway to a bowl game with Colorado coming in Saturday, a game we should win. Does it hurt that we lost the way we did, sure. Can we learn something from the loss, definitely. We scored so fast and so often in the first half that our defense was on the field for so many plays. The game was one that makes you want to come back in the next one and blow the other team off the field, which I think we will.

:gobears:


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Show one clear post of someone criticizing the team, as much as the moment, coaching or many of the other relevant issues like fatigue.

That said these are the coaching shortcomings:
1) The most important down of the year they called for Rubenzer to run for 6 yards.
2) They never considered with only 6 yards to go, to go for the win. they were playing for a field goal, i.e. use Goff and two plays to get 6 yards and end the game!!!!!!! If we fail, guess what, we would have to do exactly what we had to do anyway -Defend a long field with less than a minute - A no brainer.
3) Rushing three on Hail Mary's is a known stupid move. You rush 5 or 6 or drop everybody back. Watch the NFL, the philosophy is to make them through as soon as possible or off balance instead of a perfect spiral due to no pressure.
4) The preparedness for the on side kick was lacking
5) The whole Rubenzer experiment is insulting to Goff and we keep seeing it. there is no overall gain. The two quarterback system. in the end never works.
6) On the Hail Mary, the players are running down with the receivers all the way down the field and when they get to the end zone are slightly out of place to the point that one is obviously holding. We know where there going , to the end zone. Put the majority of guys there and wait for the ball to come there or once it's thrown short of the end zone come and make the tackle.
7) When Sonny, almost lies afterwards, stating that, on 3rd and 6, putting in Rubenzer is "the obvious" call to get the "numbers advantage for the run" WTF ? I*t's 3rd and 6!!!!!
8) On and on and on...............
That said, man am I excited about this team, and he, Sonny; other than the hiring of Buh, that will stain him for life, has done an excellent job.
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MaximusArelliusDaBearius;842364306 said:

Show one clear post of someone criticizing the team, as much as the moment, coaching or many of the other relevant issues like fatigue.

That said these are the coaching shortcomings:
1) The most important down of the year they called for Rubenzer to run for 6 yards.
2) They never considered with only 6 yards to go, to go for the win. they were playing for a field goal, i.e. use Goff and two plays to get 6 yards and end the game!!!!!!! If we fail, guess what, we would have to do exactly what we had to do anyway -Defend a long field with less than a minute - A no brainer.
3) Rushing three on Hail Mary's is a known stupid move. You rush 5 or 6 or drop everybody back. Watch the NFL, the philosophy is to make them through as soon as possible or off balance instead of a perfect spiral due to no pressure.
4) The preparedness for the on side kick was lacking
5) The whole Rubenzer experiment is insulting to Goff and we keep seeing it. there is no overall gain. The two quarterback system. in the end never works.
6) On the Hail Mary, the players are running down with the receivers all the way down the field and when they get to the end zone are slightly out of place to the point that one is obviously holding. We know where there going , to the end zone. Put the majority of guys there and wait for the ball to come there or once it's thrown short of the end zone come and make the tackle.
7) When Sonny, almost lies afterwards, stating that, on 3rd and 6, putting in Rubenzer is "the obvious" call to get the "numbers advantage for the run" WTF ? I*t's 3rd and 6!!!!!
8) On and on and on...............
That said, man am I excited about this team, and he, Sonny; other than the hiring of Buh, that will stain him for life, has done an excellent job.



I fully agree regarding the last play. Especially with AU needing 50 yds; plays like that take time to develop. Rush 5 and force Solomon to throw off-balance or too early. The jump ball in the end zone is too much of a crapshoot.

I don't agree about the Rubenzer "experiment." It has worked a lot this year, and using a running QB as a change of pace can work well. To say it is "insulting" to Goff is downright silly. Is Lawler coming in "insulting" to Treggs? How about Mohammad for Lasco--same question.

No doubt, the preparation for the onside kick was lacking--especially as they did the same play 3 times. That said, there is no discussion if Harper had just caught the first one instead of trying to bat it out of bounds.

I tend to agree about the last play. In hindsight, maybe a rollout option where Rubenzer can throw or run, or even a similar play w/ Goff.
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MaximusArelliusDaBearius;842364306 said:

Show one clear post of someone criticizing the team, as much as the moment, coaching or many of the other relevant issues like fatigue.

That said these are the coaching shortcomings:
1) The most important down of the year they called for Rubenzer to run for 6 yards.
2) They never considered with only 6 yards to go, to go for the win. they were playing for a field goal, i.e. use Goff and two plays to get 6 yards and end the game!!!!!!! If we fail, guess what, we would have to do exactly what we had to do anyway -Defend a long field with less than a minute - A no brainer.
3) Rushing three on Hail Mary's is a known stupid move. You rush 5 or 6 or drop everybody back. Watch the NFL, the philosophy is to make them through as soon as possible or off balance instead of a perfect spiral due to no pressure.
4) The preparedness for the on side kick was lacking
5) The whole Rubenzer experiment is insulting to Goff and we keep seeing it. there is no overall gain. The two quarterback system. in the end never works.
6) On the Hail Mary, the players are running down with the receivers all the way down the field and when they get to the end zone are slightly out of place to the point that one is obviously holding. We know where there going , to the end zone. Put the majority of guys there and wait for the ball to come there or once it's thrown short of the end zone come and make the tackle.
7) When Sonny, almost lies afterwards, stating that, on 3rd and 6, putting in Rubenzer is "the obvious" call to get the "numbers advantage for the run" WTF ? I*t's 3rd and 6!!!!!
8) On and on and on...............
That said, man am I excited about this team, and he, Sonny; other than the hiring of Buh, that will stain him for life, has done an excellent job.


I am not sure what you are saying in your opening line... "Show one clear post of someone criticizing the team, as much as the moment, coaching or many of the other relevant issues like fatigue." You want me to show you one clear post of someone criticizing the team, as much as the moment, coaching, or fatigue ... Then you go and post something criticizing the team, the moment, and coaching. So are you asking me to show you your post or am I not understanding your first line?

Also lets look at this since it keeps coming up. We are up by only 2 points. A FG beats us... not ties, but beats us. With 1:22 on the clock on 3rd down and 6 you wanted them to throw the football where an incompletion stops the clock at about 1:17 or so... now is 4th down you want to throw again when you are up by only 2 and a FG beats you instead of kicking a FG to make it a TD that beats you? If Sonny Dykes threw that ball on 3rd down and 4th down with both being incomplete than AZ would have taken the ball marched down and kicked a FG to beat us and EVERYONE would be on saying you have to run the ball to take time off and then kick it. If it works its a good call if it doesn't it is a bad call. I wanted him to throw the ball on 3rd and 6 because I felt we could have completed it, but if we don't then we just gave the game away with a ton of time left and only needing a FG.
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jamonit;842364354 said:

I am not sure what you are saying in your opening line...


You're only having a hard time with the opening line? I have a hard time understanding most of his posts. Maybe too many Long Islands?
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LACalFan;842364382 said:

You're only having a hard time with the opening line? I have a hard time understanding most of his posts. Maybe too many Long Islands?


No I just find it funny that he would post that opening line asking me to show him someone criticizing the team and then does it. I thought there was a mistake somewhere in how he wrote it. Maybe it is the clear part. Maybe even he is admitting that his criticism of the team isn't clear.
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LACalFan;842364382 said:

Maybe too many Long Islands?


I understand him much better after he drinks.
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jamonit;842364266 said:

I am not sure how you are coming to that conclusion? What was our lucky part?... Arizona should have beaten us by more? Umm what are you talking about? We played great and on offense only had one bad quarter and that was the 3rd. They were so poorly prepared for us is why we had the lead, then explain the 2 4th quarter 70+ yard drives we had in the 4th! Seriously that is just insane that people keep saying stuff like that. We were up because they weren't prepared for their conference opener against a 2-0 opponent and that the only reason we did good was because they were bad, but when they do good its because they are good and we are bad. Its crazy.


I think you may be slightly misinterpreting my comment. But to clarify, Solomon had many open receivers in the first half and simply missed them. Also, the refs, despite screwing us at times, gave us some huge breaks. Also UA missed a chip shot FG. I don't think any of these things were due to how we played and Solomon was not pressured into making those bad throws.

Listen, I think Cal played great, and we all know that Arizona was at least as lucky as us, but Arizona could have played the way they did for more than the 4th quarter and the game would have been a bit different. I think Arizona is a good team and I think Cal is to. I think they are about equal. But Cal deserved to win Saturday and I look forward to seeing Cal take it out on the rest of the conference for the remainder of the season.

:beer:

Back to ya brother
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