SonOfCalVa;842368704 [T said:

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here's a big difference between the excitement of being in the stands, shouting until the throat burns, being hoarse for a few days ...
A big part of the game experience can't be changed too easily or at all. Cal campus in the Fall, the buildings, the memories, Sproul concert, march up to the stadium ... finally, the view from the Campanile watching the sun dive behind the GGB, then wandering someplace to eat and drink (only a little), maybe near campus, maybe in SF.

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One of your finer posts. I salute your passion for all things Cal.

SonOfCalVa;842368704 said:

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Your point is well taken. MB's horrible experience notwithstanding, there's a big difference between the excitement of being in the stands, shouting until the throat burns, being hoarse for a few days ... and watching the game on the internet from a European site fighting through porn spam and unknown downloads.
A big part of the game experience can't be changed too easily or at all. Cal campus in the Fall, the buildings, the memories, Sproul concert, march up to the stadium ... finally, the view from the Campanile watching the sun dive behind the GGB, then wandering someplace to eat and drink (only a little), maybe near campus, maybe in SF.

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i agree. and these are some of the reasons why i keep coming back--sh*tty season or otherwise. like why i chose to attend most all of the home games last year? not too sure.

They get to complain because they have delegation points.

"Deli Points" have their own currency. You get them because you have been there longer.

There is not much distinction between "old farts" and "old blues", especially when you get three of them (perhaps drinking) in a row, for six times a year to wax nostalgic in order to support their team.

Get a grip MB.

TheSouseFamily;842368698 said:

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This sounds like just about every UCLA game I've even been to with my brother, a Bruin alum. I've never been around a bigger bunch of whiners, outside of France that is.

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Do you get to France a lot?

in the late 80's I was sitting in sect. GG and a similar, perhaps the very same, group of 3 idiots were sitting behind us. They unleashed a 3.5 hour, 4 quarter long diatribe about the coaching ineptitude of Off. Coord. Terry Shea. About mid 4th qtr. , a nice, well dressed woman sitting in our row turned around to these inebriates and introduced herself as Mrs. Terry Shea, and asked them if they could please tone down their comments. Unbelievably, the comments continued until an usher had to quietly tell all three that would be asked to leave if things didn't quiet down.

93gobears;842368793 said:

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They get to complain because they have delegation points.

"Deli Points" have their own currency. You get them because you have been there longer.

There is not much distinction between "old farts" and "old blues", especially when you get three of them (perhaps drinking) in a row, for six times a year to wax nostalgic in order to support their team.

Get a grip MB.

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that may all be true, but assholes come in all shapes and ages!

93gobears;842368793 said:

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They get to complain because they have delegation points.

"Deli Points" have their own currency. You get them because you have been there longer.

There is not much distinction between "old farts" and "old blues", especially when you get three of them (perhaps drinking) in a row, for six times a year to wax nostalgic in order to support their team.

Get a grip MB.

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I'm sure you'll be happy to represent them and their "Deli Points" when they get tossed for causing a disturbance.

I have a different problem with our seats. We're in stadium club paying lots of dollars for our two seats. Lots of enthusiastic fans around but also lots of empty seats. ATO sold 30-40 tickets to Buff fans. Many were young and drinking heavily. Several obnoxious Buff fans taunting bear fans at the game. When we purchased the seats, we were told ATO wouldn't sell to opposing teams in clubs. It's been three seasons and it's happening more and more. We enjoy going to the games and want to support the team, but why be harassed in our seats. Home and tv are looking better and better. Calling tomorrow to complain but I doubt that it will change.

I guess one of these guys was wearing a beige Aussie hat? Anyway next time just come up to row 57 on the other side of the section. Nice people and usually there is room. I did look for you but I thought you were in row 50?

Fortunately, there are plenty of empty seats to choose from if you don't like the ones you bought.....

Maybe they are getting tickets through Stubhub or similar rather than ATO.

JA Bear;842368837 said:

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I have a different problem with our seats. We're in stadium club paying lots of dollars for our two seats. Lots of enthusiastic fans around but also lots of empty seats. ATO sold 30-40 tickets to Buff fans. Many were young and drinking heavily. Several obnoxious Buff fans taunting bear fans at the game. When we purchased the seats, we were told ATO wouldn't sell to opposing teams in clubs. It's been three seasons and it's happening more and more. We enjoy going to the games and want to support the team, but why be harassed in our seats. Home and tv are looking better and better. Calling tomorrow to complain but I doubt that it will change.

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You should complain to your stadium club neighbors, who likely sold their tickets on stubhub.

JA Bear;842368837 said:

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I have a different problem with our seats. We're in stadium club paying lots of dollars for our two seats. Lots of enthusiastic fans around but also lots of empty seats. ATO sold 30-40 tickets to Buff fans. Many were young and drinking heavily. Several obnoxious Buff fans taunting bear fans at the game. When we purchased the seats, we were told ATO wouldn't sell to opposing teams in clubs. It's been three seasons and it's happening more and more. We enjoy going to the games and want to support the team, but why be harassed in our seats. Home and tv are looking better and better. Calling tomorrow to complain but I doubt that it will change.

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How do you know the ATO is selling them? Much more likely is that they are buying them from a third-party seller like Stubhub.

MoragaBear;842368821 said:

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Get a grip? Please. They're poisoning the experience of everyone around them.

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Of course I was not there to feel the experience.

It must be ATO because those seats have been empty for years. One year our other sports teams sat in them. Other times they have all been empty. Now it looks like ATO is selling them in a block to the other school. All Buff fans wore black lanyards and sat in a group.

JA Bear;842368837 said:

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I have a different problem with our seats. We're in stadium club paying lots of dollars for our two seats. Lots of enthusiastic fans around but also lots of empty seats. ATO sold 30-40 tickets to Buff fans. Many were young and drinking heavily. Several obnoxious Buff fans taunting bear fans at the game. When we purchased the seats, we were told ATO wouldn't sell to opposing teams in clubs. It's been three seasons and it's happening more and more. We enjoy going to the games and want to support the team, but why be harassed in our seats. Home and tv are looking better and better. Calling tomorrow to complain but I doubt that it will change.

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You can find club seats on stub hub for every game, is ATO selling them to opposing fans? I may be wrong, but I didn't think you could even buy club seats on ATO's site. Doesn't Cal sell the the empty club seats to corporate groups and/or friends of seat owners only? Must be seat owners selling them to 3rd party sites. Maybe I'm completely wrong.

Another tidbit, I have friends who own stadium club seats and have never used them, they're overseas, one is a former player. I just have a hard time believing that Cal sold off a block of those seats to Colorado.

JA Bear - I saw the same group. I was in G right on the center stair case and there were quite a few obnoxious colorado fans in that area. We had a group of them stand in the aisle blocking our few while they hooped and hollered after a colorado score on their way into the stadium club for more booze. Hope they cried in their high priced beer after the loss.

At the Sac State game there were a bunch of Sac State athletic department employees, friends and family types in section G - highly doubt these people bought these tickets on stub hub.

MB, you should have come down to 32. We had a good mix of old and young fans who were appropriately enthusiastic. The couple of times I got up I didn't see you in 49, and now I know why. It was a pleasure to run into you and your friend on the concourse before the game.

BTW, when all the students moved south for the second OT my son and I happily took their benches. Nothing wrong with our neighbors, but we ended up with a completely unobstructed view, and an ESPN highlight glimpse, as we stuck out in an otherwise empty section.

There were also a couple Colorado fans in my lower ESP (field club) area. They were fairly nice though. Cheering vociferously for Buffs but still respectful and friendly.

Their fatalistic attitude towards their team reminded me of some similarities between our fan-bases (MB's cranky old dudes aside). Examples (with some paraphrasing):

- During short CU punt return: "Yesss!! Whew. He hung onto the ball..."
- During a good run by Lasco: "Oh crap they have a good running back. We're dead."
- After a TD catch by CU's WR Spruce: non-joking argument/discussion on whether Spruce would be able to stay in the top 10 in the NCAA FBS receiving yards list followed by a smartphone check which confirmed that not only was Spruce still in the top 10, he was leading (and in fact still leads) the FBS/D1-A in receiving yards.
- Over a full second before each of Lawler's TD catches, in a resigned voice: "Touchdown..." (this without knowing who Lawler was, and certainly not knowing about his mad skills).

JA Bear;842368837 said:

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I have a different problem with our seats. We're in stadium club paying lots of dollars for our two seats. Lots of enthusiastic fans around but also lots of empty seats. ATO sold 30-40 tickets to Buff fans. Many were young and drinking heavily. Several obnoxious Buff fans taunting bear fans at the game. When we purchased the seats, we were told ATO wouldn't sell to opposing teams in clubs. It's been three seasons and it's happening more and more. We enjoy going to the games and want to support the team, but why be harassed in our seats. Home and tv are looking better and better. Calling tomorrow to complain but I doubt that it will change.

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This is interesting as it really goes to the heart of the promises Cal made to all of us when they set up ESP. Namely that no one would be sitting in the ESP sections who didn't make the full 40 + year commitment. That's been chipped away by a few decisions, but I believe Cal has generally kept to the spirit of the compact. The biggest issue I have is that I know Cal has made some bundled corporate sales. I have no problem with this if the corporations are making a long term commitment. I'm just not sure that's the case. Far worse though would be finding out that one of these corporations had bought a group of seats and was bundling them to sell them to opposing fans. If I found out that was happening and they were sitting near me I would absolutely lose my s*!#. I would urge you to complain long and loudly about this to Development. They are very sensitive and responsive to these issues as the last thing they want is to **** off the donors in this section.

It was BearsWiin, OaktownBear, KevBear, and Freshfunk in their anti-Dykes circle jerk.

MoragaBear;842368926 said:

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... the incessant and completely irrational and illogical griping, blaming everything bad in the world on Dykes is just way too over the top. Never heard a cheer or saw any clapping. Just griping.

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Welcome to the world of NegaBears.

MiZery;842368943 said:

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It was BearsWiin, OaktownBear, KevBear, and Freshfunk in their anti-Dykes circle jerk.

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oh where are they now ....


maybe waiting for another loss

Complaining? Sorry to hear it MB. We sit in EE- and surrounded by enthusiastic fans supporting our Bears, making noise when appropriate and grumbling to each other if we have complaints. I would never ruin the experience of others and would be certain to comment to those who tried. I always treat opposing fans the way I want to be treated. Ask about their team, check to see if they are now a "four year" or "two year" school, and then ignore them unless they attempt to engage.

Years ago I sat next to a guy who would yell "put in the Nobel prize winners" when we got far behind. That at least was witty.

I have three older people sitting behind me. The men don't complain much but the guys wife is NON-STOP complaining. And not just about the bears. She listens to Giants games as well and is complaining about them too. She also repeats everything Starkey says on the radio since she listens to him if there is no Giants game. The men just shake their heads when I turn around. She also had a tendency to yell out "C'mon Tedford! What the hell are you doing!" which is somewhat entertaining the first 20 times.

5 gallon bucket of perfumed ice water and volunteer them for the ALS Challenge.

Sebastabear;842368933 said:

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This is interesting as it really goes to the heart of the promises Cal made to all of us when they set up ESP. Namely that no one would be sitting in the ESP sections who didn't make the full 40 + year commitment. That's been chipped away by a few decisions, but I believe Cal has generally kept to the spirit of the compact. The biggest issue I have is that I know Cal has made some bundled corporate sales. I have no problem with this if the corporations are making a long term commitment. I'm just not sure that's the case. Far worse though would be finding out that one of these corporations had bought a group of seats and was bundling them to sell them to opposing fans. If I found out that was happening and they were sitting near me I would absolutely lose my s*!#. I would urge you to complain long and loudly about this to Development. They are very sensitive and responsive to these issues as the last thing they want is to **** off the donors in this section.

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You guys should of asked them where they got their tickets from

jim, you are way more polite than me

1st home game of the year vs sacramento state, guy in front of me is loudly going on & on about the "lousy" cal football team to his wife & 2 boys

so 5 minutes into the game i tap him on the shoulder & he turns around to get a good look at me

me: excuse me, did you go to the northwestern game in chicago?

him: no, why?

me: i was there, it was an epic win by a much tougher bears team than last year

him: yeah, i saw it on tv

me: that's not the same as being there...are you an esp donor?

him: no, i got these tickets from my boss

me: look around, you are surrounded by some of the most passionate bears football fans anywhere, many of us have inside knowledge of the football program...so, your pontificating about stuff is not only annoying it is also inaccurate...do you think you could just enjoy the game without your running dialogue of outdated garbage?

him (looks at me to see if i'm serious): hey, it's a free country

me: yeah, and i'm exercising my right to tell you that you're acting like a dumb azz in front of your wife and kids

guy kept his voice down the rest of the game & cheered when we made touchdowns

If you want quiet, move over a little to TT. Mostly 60 and 70 year olds who rarely make any noise and never stand to block your view. Also, three quarters of the seats are empty!

A few years back we had assigned seats in the Gold Zone in section A. There was a guy behind me that just constantly did the same thing to Tedford and sometimes the players. He did it at every single game. His wife was a Cal grad but he wasn't. She cheered for the Bears like crazy but never once told her husband to shut his pie hole and he did this every game. We switched our season ticket seats the next year. That year was not a pleasant experience going to the games.