Goff has cemented his position as the best Cal QB in a decade.

It was telling that he seemed slightly off this past Saturday against Colorado. Goff's accuracy was not as sharp as the previous week against Arizona, but still a damn fine game. He was 24-42 for 458, 7TDs and 1 Int. It took a while to realize that the expectation is that every Goff pass will be right on the mark, hitting the receiver in stride. Last time the Bears had a QB like that was 2004.

G O A T

and im not kidding

Scott Tolzien?

Davidson;842369360 said:

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G O A T

and im not kidding

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Which one is the g-o-a-t ? Goff or what's-his-name with the Packers ?

He has a chance to be, the true soph

It's not too early to start projecting how good Goff can be, but it's too early to put that much pressure on the kid.

This morning I watched the highlight of Goff's TD pass to Chris Harper. It was 40 yards out with 2-3 minutes left in the game to take the lead. It was a great play and yet at the time it was kind of hohum. That's how good this kid is. You just expect greatness as the norm already.

Goff no question had an awesome game, but how much credit on the Lasco 92 yard 'pass' should Goff get? Like 5, maybe 10%

RJABear;842369357 said:

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Goff has cemented his position as the best Cal QB in a decade....

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It was apparent last year.

dajo9;842369379 said:

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This morning I watched the highlight of Goff's TD pass to Chris Harper. It was 40 yards out with 2-3 minutes left in the game to take the lead. It was a great play and yet at the time it was kind of hohum. That's how good this kid is. You just expect greatness as the norm already.

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Yeah but Goff screwed up. He left too much time on the clock by scoring so quickly.
[oops forgot ther "sacrcasm" smilie.

burritos;842369381 said:

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Goff no question had an awesome game, but how much credit on the Lasco 92 yard 'pass' should Goff get? Like 5, maybe 10%

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Maynard woulda bounced it to him no lie

The butte college guy?

Davidson;842369386 said:

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Maynard woulda bounced it to him no lie

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Lmao.

burritos;842369381 said:

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Goff no question had an awesome game, but how much credit on the Lasco 92 yard 'pass' should Goff get? Like 5, maybe 10%

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Seriously, who cares? You really want to quantify how much credit a player gets? How much credit should Georgia RB Todd Gurley get for a 208 yard rushing game? 75%? 100%? Should his line get any credit? How about the coaches; should they get some?

How much credit should Goff get when a receiver drops a pass (which is rare I know)? Basically, it is pretty ridiculous to try to apportion credit as you are suggesting.

dajo9;842369379 said:

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This morning I watched the highlight of Goff's TD pass to Chris Harper. It was 40 yards out with 2-3 minutes left in the game to take the lead. It was a great play and yet at the time it was kind of hohum. That's how good this kid is. You just expect greatness as the norm already.

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That was a phenomenal throw. Straight into the bucket over the top, and not much of an angle to work with with perfect touch and no need to break his stride. That along with the scramble throw across his body for the long TD were two of his best throws on Sat for sure. But there were many others worthy as well.

Vandalus;842369394 said:

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That was a phenomenal throw. Straight into the bucket over the top, and not much of an angle to work with with perfect touch and no need to break his stride. That along with the scramble throw across his body for the long TD were two of his best throws on Sat for sure. But there were many others worthy as well.

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We had a great angle on the scramble throw. It looked like everyone was covered at first. I think Anderson saw the scramble and either Goff directed him to break downfield or he did it on his own but it was a tremendous play.

Vandalus;842369394 said:

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That was a phenomenal throw. Straight into the bucket over the top, and not much of an angle to work with with perfect touch and no need to break his stride. That along with the scramble throw across his body for the long TD were two of his best throws on Sat for sure. But there were many others worthy as well.

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I liked the one where he stood in there against serious pressure yet delivered the ball to Muhammad, who made a big gainer out of it down the left sideline.

It's going to be difficult to compare AR against (future fully-developed) Goff for at least a couple of reasons:

• AR played with a much better supporting cast - esp. the OL and the RB's. (In 2004, JJ Arrington ran for 2,000 yards, and Beastmode was the backup.)
  
• Dramatic difference in style between TFS and JT's pro-style offense
  

Still, Goff's accuracy and poise in the pocket under fire are scarily reminiscent of AR. Wow.

slobear;842369393 said:

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Seriously, who cares? You really want to quantify how much credit a player gets? How much credit should Georgia RB Todd Gurley get for a 208 yard rushing game? 75%? 100%? Should his line get any credit? How about the coaches; should they get some?

How much credit should Goff get when a receiver drops a pass (which is rare I know)? Basically, it is pretty ridiculous to try to apportion credit as you are suggesting.

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I just wanted to point out that the multiple tackle breaking run by Lasco was all Lasco. Goff and his stats was the beneficiary of that run, not the cause of it. If that offends people I apologize.

burritos;842369403 said:

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I just wanted to point out that the multiple tackle breaking run by Lasco was all Lasco. Goff and his stats was the beneficiary of that run, not the cause of it. If that offends people I apologize.

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That's true, but we don't see all the ways that players on other teams artificially inflate the stats of their quarterbacks (who provide the context for Goff's stats). Has Mariota never thrown a screen pass that went the distance?

How about his 75 yarder to anderson?

If we eliminate all YAC for passing stats I think Goff would do quite well, considering his 40 yard passes seem routine

Davidson;842369444 said:

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How about his 75 yarder to anderson?If we eliminate all YAC for passing stats I think Goff would do quite well, considering his 40 yard passes seem routine

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Wonder if anyone compiles YBC stats

burritos;842369403 said:

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I just wanted to point out that the multiple tackle breaking run by Lasco was all Lasco. Goff and his stats was the beneficiary of that run, not the cause of it. If that offends people I apologize.

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No problemo burritos. Sorry for the harsh response.

Goff did his part on that play. He fielded a poor snap and made the throw. Goff deserves those YAC.

tommie317;842369449 said:

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Wonder if anyone compiles YBC stats

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I think the NFL publishes YAC stats for receivers - from which YBC could be easily computed. I doubt this is being done yet for NCAAF.

Of course, YAC are often strongly attributable to the skill of the QB. If you hit a guy in stride, there's a much better chance of a long catch-and-run play. I can't remember how many times Kevin Riley made guys slow down to wait for an underthrown ball - turning potential long-gainers and breakaway TD's into medium gains or PD's by the bad guys.

dajo9;842369379 said:

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This morning I watched the highlight of Goff's TD pass to Chris Harper. It was 40 yards out with 2-3 minutes left in the game to take the lead. It was a great play and yet at the time it was kind of hohum. That's how good this kid is. You just expect greatness as the norm already.

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How many practice throws to WRs, including Harper, did it take for that one be so perfect?
Every rep is important for that to take place.

BGGB2;842369402 said:

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It's going to be difficult to compare AR against (future fully-developed) Goff for at least a couple of reasons:

• AR played with a much better supporting cast - esp. the OL and the RB's. (In 2004, JJ Arrington ran for 2,000 yards, and Beastmode was the backup.)
  
• Dramatic difference in style between TFS and JT's pro-style offense
  

Still, Goff's accuracy and poise in the pocket under fire are scarily reminiscent of AR. Wow.

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Good post - Rodgers had a stud O-Line. Huge difference. At the same time, he has a mediocre o-line in the NFL and still is amazing. Goff is an nfl qb no doubt. In 10 years or so we can legitimately have this debate.

Unit2Sucks;842369378 said:

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It's not too early to start projecting how good Goff can be, but it's too early to put that much pressure on the kid.

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He's never going to get as much pressure as he had last year, a starter as a true freshman on a 1-11 team, pretty rough way to start your college career.

The coaches deserve a lot of credit for putting their trust in JG early on and helping him develop into a record-breaking QB at Cal.

I guess all Cal QBs will have to be measure by the blue & gold standard of AR, but I want to enjoy Goff as the unique and special player he is

Not only is he very accurate (ok, Colorado game was not his best), but he has a strong arm, can throw on the run, is poised, and throws some of most perfect deep passes of anyone I can remember

Some of those passes on Saturday just left my jaw on the ground....I was like....WOW

Oh, did I say he is clutch?

Just really enjoying how this talented athlete is performing, especially after years of QBs that were less than stellar

Goff was sacked last year at a rate that was pretty much middle of conference (sacks per attempt). So far this year, there is actually very slight improvement, still middle of conference in terms of protection, a notch higher as I recall, compared to the other 11 teams.

Both last year and this year Goff has been sacked about once every 18 passes. From my notes, in 2013, for every 17.8 passes, he was dropped. This year, he's been sacked every 18.3 passes.

He is being sacked less this year though simply because he's throwing less. If we were having him chuck it 60x a game, we'd likely see more sacks. Either way, a sack about every 18 passes has not changed materially...

In addition to the thinking that we had poor pass protection last year, many seem to feel that we had no run game either. Yet, our top 4 backs averaged over 4 a carry:

6.3 KM
5.0 Lasco
4.5 Bigelow
4.1 Coprich

Not a strong rushing year by our high Cal standards, but having your top 4 rushers average above 4 yds is nothing to whine about.

We are running more often this year. Our top 4 ground gainers don't have 4+ a carry, but we are running better (improved overall yards per carry as a team).

The balance, choosing to run more, is making a big difference this year.

BGGB2;842369402 said:

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It's going to be difficult to compare AR against (future fully-developed) Goff for at least a couple of reasons:

• AR played with a much better supporting cast - esp. the OL and the RB's. (In 2004, JJ Arrington ran for 2,000 yards, and Beastmode was the backup.)
  
• Dramatic difference in style between TFS and JT's pro-style offense
  

Still, Goff's accuracy and poise in the pocket under fire are scarily reminiscent of AR. Wow.

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This is one of my many fond memories of Cal Football. After watching Arrington tear apart a team, I vividly remember Lynch coming in to spell him. "Jesus Christ, who's THIS guy??!!!!" were my thoughts. His running style was amazing and he just WOULD NOT GO DOWN! I just couldn't believe Lynch was a freshman backup and could run like that.

Never forget the impression he made on me from the north end zone of Memorial Stadium that fine fall day!

Davidson;842369444 said:

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How about his 75 yarder to anderson?

If we eliminate all YAC for passing stats I think Goff would do quite well, considering his 40 yard passes seem routine

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That was mostly Goff. Running out of the pocket, directing Anderson to break, and then hitting him in stride. Thing of beauty.

The pass gave me flashbacks of Joe Ayoob's deep pass to LeReylle Cunningham late in the game against WSU to bring us back late in the game.

His throw on the run was superlative. He also had several that were broken up by the Buffs DBs, because they were slightly under thrown. Goff isn't perfect, but it's great to finally have a QB who has the qualities we have all hoped for since Rodgers and Nate (before he was injured).

bearister;842369382 said:

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It was apparent last year.

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Disagree. There were legitimate questions about his deep ball going into the year, among other things. Questions have been answered now though.