okaydo;842487986 said:

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So THAT's why a whopping 5 Pacific Islanders were enrolled last year.

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Chauca's part of the fab five?

MisterNoodle;842488437 said:

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Chauca's part of the fab five?

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He's more likely listed as Hispanic (Peruvian)

teknofreek;842488440 said:

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He's more likely listed as Hispanic (Peruvian)

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It was a joke. You see, once upon a time michigan had this mbb recruitng class called the fab vive and and and bc is a basketballer whose mother is ... Aw forget it.

Golden One;842487979 said:

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In theory, but not really in practice.

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The form of affirmative action is admitting students with parents without college. Cal is 3% African American which is what it was 35 years ago, so obviously affirmative action by ethnicity is not looked at and it is illegal to do so.

dimitrig;842488434 said:

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These are sobering numbers...

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Why do you believe they are sobering? Agree or disagree with UC's admission policies if you want, but the results reflect those policies.

dimitrig;842488434 said:

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These are sobering numbers...

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Numbers seemed surprising to me until I realized that Pacific Islanders represent 0.4% of the US population as of 2010 and that's including people who identify as Pacific Islander and any other combination of ethnicity. Also that Filipino was not in the Pacific Islander category as it sometimes is. (Edit: And I realize that 2 of the Pacific Islanders admitted as Frosh are probably Hamilton Anoa'i, Aisea Tongilava) The complete ethnic breakdown of total enrollment at Cal is here:

Interesting that the gender difference for AA and Mexican students is far greater than for other groups (~20%). Even more skewed when you consider that there are probably more AA males that got in via athletics than AA females.

StillNoStanfurdium;842488571 said:

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Numbers seemed surprising to me until I realized that Pacific Islanders represent 0.4% of the US population as of 2010 and that's including people who identify as Pacific Islander and any other combination of ethnicity. Also that Filipino was not in the Pacific Islander category as it sometimes is. (Edit: And I realize that 2 of the Pacific Islanders admitted as Frosh are probably Hamilton Anoa'i, Aisea Tongilava) The complete ethnic breakdown of total enrollment at Cal is here:

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Filipinos aren't Pacific Islanders.

In fact, many government forms categorize Filipinos separately from Asians and Pacific Islanders because of their mixed-Spanish heritage.

Well, my wife is from Guam and I'm pretty sure they have mixed Spanish heritage and as far as I know they consider themselves Pacific Islanders.

SRBear;842488638 said:

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Well, my wife is from Guam and I'm pretty sure they have mixed Spanish heritage and as far as I know they consider themselves Pacific Islanders.

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And there are Filipinos without any Spanish blood.

But just like, say, Mexicans are distinguished for being a mixed-race people, so are Filipinos.

And, besides, Filipinos aren't Pacific Islanders because the Philippines isn't part of the Pacific Islands.

okaydo;842488651 said:

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And there are Filipinos without any Spanish blood.

But just like, say, Mexicans are distinguished for being a mixed-race people, so are Filipinos.

And, besides, Filipinos aren't Pacific Islanders because the Philippines isn't part of the Pacific Islands.

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"isn't part of the Pacific Islands" groups, I would say…Still think it might be a Pacific Island??

I've had many many Phillipino friends over my life time and I only remember them saying their ancestry was primarily Asian and others said that the Phillipines is a unique country separate from Asia and the Pacific Island because they are also Catholic because of Spain as opposed to Muslim or Buddists like SE Asia. I looked up (only could find 2002) the U.S. Census, and they say Asian....

Quote:

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“Asian” refers to those having origins
in any of the original peoples of the
Far East, Southeast Asia, or the
Indian subcontinent including, for
example, Cambodia, China, India,
Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the
Philippine Islands, Thailand, and
Vietnam.

“Pacific Islander” refers to
those having origins in any of the
original peoples of Hawaii, Guam,
Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. The
Asian and Pacific Islander population
is not a homogeneous group; rather,
it comprises many groups who differ
in language, culture, and length of
residence in the United States.

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Cal_Fan2;842488663 said:

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I've had many many Phillipino friends over my life time and I only remember them saying their ancestry was primarily Asian and others said that the Phillipines is a unique country separate from Asia and the Pacific Island because they are also Catholic because of Spain as opposed to Muslim or Buddists like SE Asia. I looked up (only could find 2002) the U.S. Census, and they say Asian....

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1. It's Filipino or Pilipino.

2. I'm not saying they're not Asians, but they aren't Pacific Islanders.

3. But I've seen many forms, particularly California forms that have a separate option for Filipinos.

OdontoBear66;842488657 said:

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"isn't part of the Pacific Islands" groups, I would say…Still think it might be a Pacific Island??

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Japan, Taiwan and the Channel islands are also islands in the Pacific Ocean.

add this to the conversation:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-college-latinos-20150429-story.html

jackbauerish;842487368 said:

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Two kids from different Cal families with 4.5 and 4.3 GPAs; ACT scores in the upper 30% percentile of admitted students; extracurriculars the length of War and Peace and all of their parents graduated from Cal are denied admission, however admitted to Usc, Ucla, Claremont, Duke and Vanderbilt. ANd they want money from alums???If they had just checked the unverifiable box their parents didn't attend college and not tell the truth!:headbang
Pretty shi**y when Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi and other politicians get all their friends and family tagged!

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As someone considering California for my doctorate, I know that it is very difficult to get admitted, but I can't help but wonder if it is an issue of limited space? I mean, don't they admit some twenty percent of applicants?

Dark Reverie;842488822 said:

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As someone considering California for my doctorate, I know that it is very difficult to get admitted, but I can't help but wonder if it is an issue of limited space? I mean, don't they admit some twenty percent of applicants?

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17.3

Dark Reverie;842488822 said:

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I can't help but wonder if it is an issue of limited space? I mean, don't they admit some twenty percent of applicants?

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socaliganbear;842488846 said:

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17.5

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Well, UC Berkeley had about 33.2K students (undergrad + grad) back in 1990. It now has 37.6K total (Fall '14 data), so roughly 13% enrollment growth at Cal over the past 25 years.
Meanwhile Ucla had 36.4K students total back in 1990, and it now has 43.2K total (Fall '14 data), so roughly 18-19% enrollment growth at Southern Branch over the past 25 years.

California, the state, had a census count of 29.8M in 1990, and estimates as of 2014 were 38.8M, so the state grew at roughly 30% over those 25 years.

This helps explain why Disneyland always strikes me as more crowded nowadays than it did back in the '80s, but I digress.

UC (the system) has delayed the release of admissions info for the Fall 2015 entering class, as they are engaged in yet another political tug-of-war with Sacramento and Gov. Brown over funding.

However, a local newspaper released this graphic, which shows that Cal and Ucla are now both below 17% acceptance rate (estimated) for Fall 2015 entering freshmen.

Even UCR is under 60% now. Long gone are the days where all you needed was a HS degree and no felony convictions...

pingpong2;842488868 said:

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Even UCR is under 60% now. Long gone are the days where all you needed was a HS degree and no felony convictions...

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Please leave the University of Oregon out of this.

what a thread ... i doubt another other school on a football board has this type of discussion ....

SRBear;842487394 said:

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The out of state deal is definitely true. People I know had a grandson admitted who was out of state with an approx. 3.7. Nothing else special about his background.

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... we should be at Sather Gate with pitchforks tomorrow morning!!!

Really, a 3.7 out of state taken over a 4.3 CALIFORNIA resident?

If true, just burn the place to the ground.

TandemBear;842489181 said:

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... we should be at Sather Gate with pitchforks tomorrow morning!!!

Really, a 3.7 out of state taken over a 4.3 CALIFORNIA resident?

If true, just burn the place to the ground.

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Of course he knew the complete resume of the "grandson of some people he knew"....As has been pointed out many times, out of state kids score on average higher across the board.

77Bear;842488516 said:

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Why do you believe they are sobering? Agree or disagree with UC's admission policies if you want, but the results reflect those policies.

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I am not sure if it reflects UC admission policies or the state of certain ethnic minority communities. Either way, I found them surprising.

Uh, I do...they're good friends and the are very well acquainted with their grandson's academics and non-academic profile. Maybe its just an example that there is some randomness in the process and someone took a liking to him.

SRBear;842489236 said:

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Uh, I do...they're good friends and the are very well acquainted with their grandson's academics and non-academic profile. Maybe its just an example that there is some randomness in the process and someone took a liking to him.

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That's awesome. Maybe When I'm older I'll know/remember the specifics of my friends' grandson's complete academic resume, If I'm lucky.

Why's this a big deal to you...I'm just pointing out not everyone from out of state has perfect GPA and perfect SATs/ACTs. It's something that is frustrating to people who have kids with great academic profiles who are getting passed over.

SRBear;842489245 said:

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Why's this a big deal to you...I'm just pointing out not everyone from out of state has perfect GPA and perfect SATs/ACTs. It's something that is frustrating to people who have kids with great academic profiles who are getting passed over.

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The point is everyone will have some incredibly specific and personal example, but the numbers remain the same. Out of state students not only come from a better applicant pool, but a better admit pool. So unless you know everything about everyone's profile, including having read their essay, not a single person can definitively say they, or someone they know, were passed over.

I don't mean to belabor this question, but I have been trying to find out what the admit rate for Master's and doctorate programs at UC-Berkeley are, but I can't find them. Anyone have any ideas or feedback?

socaliganbear;842489183 said:

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Of course he knew the complete resume of the "grandson of some people he knew"....As has been pointed out many times, out of state kids score on average higher across the board.

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What he doesn't mention is that the grandson will be playing football for the Cal Golden Bears

TandemBear;842489181 said:

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... we should be at Sather Gate with pitchforks tomorrow morning!!!

Really, a 3.7 out of state taken over a 4.3 CALIFORNIA resident?

If true, just burn the place to the ground.

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It's the takers! You know who they are! I also heard about a similar story as reported on Newsmax!:rollinglaugh:

socaliganbear;842489247 said:

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The point is everyone will have some incredibly specific and personal example, but the numbers remain the same. Out of state students not only come from a better applicant pool, but a better admit pool. So unless you know everything about everyone's profile, including having read their essay, not a single person can definitively say they, or someone they know, were passed over.

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lies!

LIES!

[FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=5]LIES![/SIZE][/FONT]

The truth will never top our vicious lies.

Now let's reduce our foreign aid from its present 40% of the federal budget!

:patriot

Dark Reverie;842489267 said:

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I don't mean to belabor this question, but I have been trying to find out what the admit rate for Master's and doctorate programs at UC-Berkeley are, but I can't find them. Anyone have any ideas or feedback?

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This is going to vary widely by department. What field are you considering?

Dark Reverie;842489267 said:

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I don't mean to belabor this question, but I have been trying to find out what the admit rate for Master's and doctorate programs at UC-Berkeley are, but I can't find them. Anyone have any ideas or feedback?

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Don't know about master's programs, but I read somewhere that the Ph.D. programs acceptance rate is roughly 15%, but it does of course vary by dept. Depts like Mathematics, English, Chemistry, many of the Engineering tracks, History, etc., all of which have very stellar reputations would likely be lower. Some of the natural resources depts, or the more arcane academic depts might be easier.

Good luck with getting into Cal, or congrats if you are in already for your grad work.

DarkReverie,

This link might help.... as of fall 2013, it looks like the overall incoming graduate class acceptance rate (doctoral + masters) was roughly 8%. Sorry for the overstated 15% that I stated above, as the best source is Cal's own website. I did not see dept breakouts, but I did not look all that closely.

http://grad.berkeley.edu/admissions/rankings-stats/

Edit: click on the "Enrollment" tab... 3.2K accepted out of 38K applicants.

berk18;842489313 said:

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This is going to vary widely by department. What field are you considering?

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I'm considering the department of Geography. I want to study cultural geography.

BearBoarBlarney;842489343 said:

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Don't know about master's programs, but I read somewhere that the Ph.D. programs acceptance rate is roughly 15%, but it does of course vary by dept. Depts like Mathematics, English, Chemistry, many of the Engineering tracks, History, etc., all of which have very stellar reputations would likely be lower. Some of the natural resources depts, or the more arcane academic depts might be easier.

Good luck with getting into Cal, or congrats if you are in already for your grad work.

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Thank you for the well-wishes. I'm currently studying for my Master's in Kentucky, but I'm trying to think ahead about where I want to go to study for my doctorate degree. I so deeply want to come to Berkeley, because it has some of the best doctorate programs in the country. On another note, the campus is beautiful and it felt like home.