http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/insider/post?id=86985


Jared Goff, Cal QB (50-1): Goff's numbers (62 percent completion rate, 35 TDs, 7 INTs) were in the same ballpark as Kessler's, which is quite the compliment, considering Cal is still working its way back and doesn't have nearly the skill-player firepower of USC.

There's a sense from Pac-12 folks that Goff -- a QB prototype at 6-foot-4, 210 pounds -- could really break out in his third season and elevate his name on NFL draft boards. The Heisman radar could very well work in concert with Goff's professional prospects.

CHOO CHOO

thats the sound of the hype train. ALL ABOAARD!

The chances of any Cal player, no matter his numbers, getting a Heisman has odds between slim and none.
Lasco could run for 2000 yards and he might get a mention, but that's it.

We've had a few players deserving, and they ended up far down the list, if on it at all.
The most extreme was '75 when Muncie was the clear choice, but they gave it to the tOSU guy for the second year in a row.

Goff's odds are tied to the team breaking out nationally.

GB54;842500210 said:

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Goff's odds are tied to the team breaking out nationally.

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yes very much so .. when we do what were supposed to do he will be in the discussion .

GB54;842500210 said:

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Goff's odds are tied to the team breaking out nationally.

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Exactly. We will have to win at least 9 games (excluding bowl) for Goff to be in the discussion. Guys that put up huge stats on mediocre teams don't win heismans.

GB54;842500210 said:

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Goff's odds are tied to the team breaking out nationally.

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not just Goff but any candidate. Kessler's odds are gonna be tied to how he does against top 25 competition this year. His #s from last year against to 25 competition are actually really bad. BUT he plays for a team that will have the national spotlight right out of the gate. Goff will need to not only have a good season, but the TEAM needs to win so the spotlight "sees" him. Factor in he's west coast too

tydog;842500219 said:

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Exactly. We will have to win at least 9 games (excluding bowl) for Goff to be in the discussion. Guys that put up huge stats on mediocre teams don't win heismans.

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not so fast .. number of wins is relative to how the rest of top teams finish out .. if 8 wins is second in division /3rd in conference and the wins come in highlight fashion that will factor ... if we play like we did first half vs ARZ in whole games vs ranked or top teams

then there will be usual bias

goff goes into austin and wins with play and leadership he will be "getting hot " in the Heisman race

going4roses;842500223 said:

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not so fast .. number of wins is relative to how the rest of top teams finish out .. if 8 wins is second in division /3rd in conference and the wins come in highlight fashion that will factor ... if we play like we did first half vs ARZ in whole games vs ranked or top teams

then there will be usual bias

goff goes into austin and wins with play and leadership he will be "getting hot " in the Heisman race

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He needs 3 things to happen:

1. Top 5 passing numbers

2. A BIG performance in Austin

3. Cal playing in the Pac 12 championship game

If those things happen he will be invited.

Go Bears

don't worry, i've looked into the fire.

i've seen the future, and it's good

i dont think 3 is a must and he can be top 10 passing numbers across the board cut down on fumbles ...

gotta have signature wins plan and simple

Let's talk once Goff beats a team with a winning record.

hanky1;842500262 said:

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Let's talk once Goff beats a team with a winning record.

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no we can talk now .. and he will in 2015

hanky1;842500262 said:

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Let's talk once Goff beats a team with a winning record.

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A true Heisman candidate would have been in the end-zone successfully defending that AZ Hail Mary.

oski003;842500274 said:

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A true Heisman candidate would have been in the end-zone successfully defending that AZ Hail Mary.

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lol

Dbearson;842500254 said:

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don't worry, i've looked into the fire.

i've seen the future, and it's good

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Hmm. Goff needs to sacrifice some Furd blood to get the Heisman, defeat the usurpers Trojans, Bruins, etc., and then take the Rose Bowl. Before winter comes.

teknofreek;842500281 said:

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Hmm. Goff needs to sacrifice some Furd blood to get the Heisman, defeat the usurpers Trojans, Bruins, etc., and then take the Rose Bowl. Before winter comes.

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Not just any furd blood, furd royalty. Like Vardell or Plunkett or Mouthbreather

socalBear23;842500252 said:

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He needs 3 things to happen:

1. Top 5 passing numbers

2. A BIG performance in Austin

3. Cal playing in the Pac 12 championship game

If those things happen he will be invited.

Go Bears

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Important, too, is looking REALLY good on some plays that make the highlights and, when one of our games is being televised to a wide audience, doing some great things and never having a rotten game. (Every time we play so late that they are already asleep on the East Coast, that will work against him, too... unless it helps him hide a bad game.)

He needs to be SC, and win in LA, and take Stanford and Texas down. Do all of that, and get 10 wins total, and he will be in the running. Anything less and he is perhaps on the stage but not in the winners circle.

I think the bigger prize for him is #1 draft pick. And that is all about being tough, accurate and a winner, which I think he is. No drop-off against the best teams and he will do OK there.

tydog;842500219 said:

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Exactly. We will have to win at least 9 games (excluding bowl) for Goff to be in the discussion. Guys that put up huge stats on mediocre teams don't win heismans.

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Except for Paul Hornung.

Just win baby

SonOfCalVa;842500198 said:

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The chances of any Cal player, no matter his numbers, getting a Heisman has odds between slim and none.
Lasco could run for 2000 yards and he might get a mention, but that's it.

We've had a few players deserving, and they ended up far down the list, if on it at all.
The most extreme was '75 when Muncie was the clear choice, but they gave it to the tOSU guy for the second year in a row.

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Muncie would have had a better shot if Cal had gone to the RB that season (which would have happened if Cal had gotten it done vs. ucla.

Muncie deserved to win - people just voted for Archie again because of the novelty of having a 2-time winner.

Wouldn't hurt to win/end pivotal games in style like the opposite of UCLA and BYU last year.

hanky1;842500350 said:

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Muncie deserved to win - people just voted for Archie again because of the novelty of having a 2-time winner.

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nope
The East Coast Boyzclub wasn't about to award the Heisman to a guy from Hippie U.
Griffin's stats were meh compared to Muncie, not to mention the comparative value of each to his team.

GB54;842500210 said:

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Goff's odds are tied to the team breaking out nationally.

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+1

10 wins, including a bowl game will get him to NYC- but that will not be enough to win. Watch out for what you wish for. This means he will consider leaving for the NFL. The deciding factor will be when the two Heisman candidates (Kessler and Goff) match up at Memorial Stadium when Cal plays SC. College Game Day in Berkeley?