Game Day Experience: Calling out the Cal Band

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egbear82;842536571 said:

I thought the Cal band's halftime show was a bit hokey but their performance after the game when they played with the Grambling band was a lot more spirited and entertaining😀. That Grambling band was worth the price of admission alone- I'm surprised they didn't announce that they would play again after the game?


Is there video of that? Ken on his blog posted a few minutes of Gramblings half of the battle of the bands, but I would liked to have seen it all.
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the reaction to the CMB is a bit extreme. It goes through ups and downs like any others, and it isn't going to be consistently an Ohio State level band. But just a few years ago it got national acclaim for the video game half time show and a few others, so its not like its some lost cause like some in here are acting like.
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SadbutTrue999;842537748 said:

the reaction to the CMB is a bit extreme. It goes through ups and downs like any others, and it isn't going to be consistently an Ohio State level band. But just a few years ago it got national acclaim for the video game half time show and a few others, so its not like its some lost cause like some in here are acting like.


I say this about two or three times a year. Eventually people will start believing me.

When a lot of us went to school, we were the cool kids who happened to be smart. The furdies were the nerds. That's what made for such a fun rivalry. The huge differences between the student bodies.

Now because it's so hard to get into, cal has become a school of all nerds as well. The difference between the furd student body and cal student body is pretty much non existent.

Our band becoming more and more like furd is not surprising.

Nerds!!!!!!!!
MoragaBear
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Can't agree with that characterization of Cal students. The student section was nearly full Saturday and it wasn't full of nerds by any stretch. And for those that say Cal doesn't have attractive women, a survey of SS Saturday would prove that theory entirely false.

Cal may not be full of ASU dimwits but that's not what 99% of people who post here would be interested in anyway.

The students I know who have gone to Cal from our local high school in recent years have a lot going for them, too, and aren't nerdy at all.

Can't speak for the band composition, though. I don't know anyone who's been in it for years.
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ducky23;842537801 said:

I say this about two or three times a year. Eventually people will start believing me.

When a lot of us went to school, we were the cool kids who happened to be smart. The furdies were the nerds. That's what made for such a fun rivalry. The huge differences between the student bodies.

Now because it's so hard to get into, cal has become a school of all nerds as well. The difference between the furd student body and cal student body is pretty much non existent.

Our band becoming more and more like furd is not surprising.

Nerds!!!!!!!!


I don't know if it's student demographics, or Band leadership, but the March Up to the stadium has gotten to be an exercise in free-spirit performance art. Discipline is non-existent. So yes: it's Stanfurd-esque.
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I sent an email to Don Calonico, expressing my admiration of the band over the years but my (and many of our posters') disappointment about getting away from tradition, playing too little during the games and the Stanfordesque nature of recent performances, especially Saturday.

Haven't heard back and don't know that I expect to hear back later, either.
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auberge;842537722 said:

Glad to hear that. I wasn't at the game and was going on what I didn't hear last year. I'll be at the SDSU game on Saturday and will be listening for Palms after we win.


You have to stay for the band concert after the game, because that's when they play it.
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SadbutTrue999;842537748 said:

But just a few years ago it got national acclaim for the video game half time show and a few others, so its not like its some lost cause like some in here are acting like.


"Just a few years ago" was actually in 2007.



I didn't have any complaints about the band then, but eight years is enough time to see a noticeable decline.
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sycasey;842537815 said:

"Just a few years ago" was actually in 2007.



I didn't have any complaints about the band then, but eight years is enough time to see a noticeable decline.


Yes 2007 was the zenith of the Tedford era--with the team poised to be #1 in the country---8 years is a long time ago.
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MoragaBear;842537811 said:

I sent an email to Don Calonico, expressing my admiration of the band over the years but my (and many of our posters') disappointment about getting away from tradition, playing too little during the games and the Stanfordesque nature of recent performances, especially Saturday.

Haven't heard back and don't know that I expect to hear back later, either.


He might be more favorably disposed if you call him "Bob", since that's his name. Unless you were going for the title, like Don Corleone.
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OK, up front, I'll admit this is going to be a long post. So please forgive the length. I hope you find this to be thoughtful and respectful.

First off, as I posted in an earlier thread, Cal Band and Grambling Band do two very different styles of performance. Cal Band is still, by far, the best college marching band west of Madison or Columbus. They have fun, they are terrific representatives of the University, and they are a huge part of the Cal Spirit (despite the marketing division of the athletic dept.)

The halftime show we all saw Saturday was a well intentioned effort at doing something different than the same old stuff they've done so often......tributes to pop culture icons. Those "tribute" shows often bore me greatly. They are often pretty unimaginative, don't feature any physical moves or marching that can't be done by other bands, and at times tribute pop culture personalities that many in the stadium don't relate to. Now, in fairness, I think they're entitled to that, since they are students, and they want to be enjoyed (first and foremost) by their peers. The problem is that often, there is such a prevalence of those type of shows that they alienate a sizable number of fans who either don't care about those acts they play tribute to, or don't know who they are. To me, the solution to this particular problem is simple......some weeks play to the student tastes (and side), and some weeks play to a more general population (west side).

I am uncomfortable being too critical of the halftime effort on Saturday. Some of us remember some really imaginative shows from the past, including shows relating to James Bond, the 1812 Overture, Video Games, and TV Shows. I think the show on Saturday was an effort at returning to that kind of show. When they're done well, they are exceptional. The problem with this one was it was related to a movie that many in the crowd don't even know. So the humor and the references fell on deaf ears. That is unfortunate, but a reality, and Cal Band needs to understand that. (Personally, I LOVED the Calaxy pun). Again, I would prefer to hear/see this kind of show rather than another "tribute" show. But a mix of tribute shows with themed shows would be OK with me. Personally, I just get more bored with the tributes.

Now, before I get more critical, I want to give Cal Band some deserved (and needed love). The Cal Band entrance is maybe the best in college football. (The Ohio State entrance is really great too and for me, it's hard to say one is better than the other. But I'll give the edge to Cal Band because it's more difficult.). And the Cal Band postgame exit from the stadium is better than any other band I've seen in college football (but Grambling gets credit for a good exit too). The overall postgame show is terrific and those who don't stay to watch it are missing something really great. Cal Band doesn't have a huge budget, and does a terrific job with what they have. They do a lot to promote Cal Spirit around campus (and off), and are the very best on the west coast.

Here's where I have a concern. Remember these are just opinions. But they come from very careful observation of the band over the years.

First......the fact they don't play much during the game is frustrating. It isn't their fault. The fault for that lays right at the feet of the athletic dept. Cal Band is not allowed to play while the athletic dept. does their nauseating "bear roar", muscle flex and bear hug activities. Cal Band isn't allowed to play through the commercials, the promos, the piped in music, and the "campus recognition" activities either. I have asked people within the a.d. to at least let the band play FIRST before all the other crap. But as you can see, my meagher efforts haven't been very persuasive. I think it's important for Cal Band to play first thing after play stoppages because that is when emotions are at their highest, especially after a significant play by the team. And that is when I want to hear the Cal songs first and foremost.

We didn't hear the Bear Territory yell before the game at all. Did the student section even do it? I would never have known because of the totally unneeded piped in music before the opening kickoff. The piped in music is awful, is so loud it even drowns out our conversations in the stands, and is so out of place it defies understanding.

Here is an opinion I have that may not go well with some, but I truly believe.....I think in the last few years, Cal Band has gotten a bit complacent in what they do. My impression is they are kind of resting on their laurels of being the best in the west thinking they are so much better than everyone else, no one can catch them. Why do I say this? Overall, the flash that made them so much fun to watch, and the discipline that gave them so much of their class, has eroded. If anyone wants to contact me offline, I'd be happy to give all the reasons I feel this way, but I'll give just a couple of examples here: The Cal Band drum line sticking is totally invisible now. When the snare drummers had the "high steppers", you could clearly see the sticking from the top of the stadium because the sticking was above the head of each bandsmen, and was easy to see. Now, you can't see anything the percussion does because the sticks are low, and lost against the white of the front of their uniforms. The really cool stick twirling that was a feature of the bass drum players, (and made those of us who were kids want to play in the Cal Band percussion section) is no longer done at all. Those are just a couple of things that made the Cal Band almost untouchable in their reputation. Other bands can't or won't do those things. Now, Cal Band percussion looks just like every other band on the field (with the exception of the Grambling and Ohio State bands, whose cymbal players do a full twirl of the cymbals). And there are times when the different sections in Cal Band, I assume in an effort to distinguish themselves or to "be cool", do things "out of the norm", which does draw attention to them, but when done too much, detracts from the overall class and discipline that is so respected when fans see bands such as Grambling or Ohio State. While Cal Band has eroded some of the things that made them really stand out, the University of Washington band has become better and better, and the gap between the two bands is not as big as it once was.

Again, I'll say I love Cal Band, and still see them as the best in the west. They do a fantastic job given the lack of official support they lack, and the limited resources they have. They work hard, and are deserving of the "Cal Band Great" yell I don't hear as much anymore. I think it's sad that the athletic department doesn't seem to see the value they have with such a great band, and I wish there was a stronger effort, both by the university and the Cal fans to help them out. Notred Dame, Ohio State and Grambling on occasion send their full, uniformed bands to away games because they see the value and PR that comes from having that kind of representation. But here? Cal stifles them in their own stands, and drowns them out when the fans want to hear them. Absurd.

By the way, did anyone else notice the ovation the Grambling Band got playing during the breaks? (Did you hear that, A.D.?)

So, overall, I say give the Band a break on this week. They tried something different, and it was a good effort.....just didn't work out perfectly. (Kind of like the football teams effort vs. Arizona last year, right?). We all try things and sometimes they just don't succeed like we'd like. But, hopefully, we grow from them, and move forward.

Grambling did what they did well. Cal Band did what they do, and for the most part (pregame and post-game) they did it well. I hope the Band will be strong enough to look at what works, what doesn't work, and then move forward. (Major hint to the Athletic Dept. too....)

And for all of us, "Cal Band Great".
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MoragaBear;842537809 said:



The students I know who have gone to Cal from our local high school in recent years have a lot going for them, too, and aren't nerdy at all.

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The lamorinda kids who go to cal are the exception to the rule since sports is so heavily emphasized in Lamorinda. So of course those kids are going to seem more well rounded.

In my class at miramonte, about 40+ went to cal. Nearly half got in due to sports like swimming, water polo, rugby, etc.
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When I was a Cal student attending games (mid 1970's) I always looked forward to the drum major's pregame baton toss. The test was whether or not the baton reached the elevation of the top row of seats on the east side. For many years now I have been disappointed in the elevation of the toss, but the band remains first rate.
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Tom,

That was a very insightful and comprehensive analysis of what has happened to the CAL Band and the overall game day experience at CAL. I, for one, have given up my season tickets because of the piped in music. Everyone I know either hates it or is ambivalent about piped in music but no one in charge will listen to the fans; they do what they do because they CAN, they have the POWER.

I was talking to my nephew yesterday; he attended the last 49er exhibition game at Levi. The 49er's have taken piped in music one step farther, in addition to playing it during time outs, it's played after every play is concluded and while the teams are in their huddle. It can happen next at CAL football games, just wait for it.
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JSC 76;842537827 said:

He might be more favorably disposed if you call him "Bob", since that's his name. Unless you were going for the title, like Don Corleone.


Ha, good point, but fortunately I got it right in the email
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auberge;842537722 said:

Glad to hear that. I wasn't at the game and was going on what I didn't hear last year. I'll be at the SDSU game on Saturday and will be listening for Palms after we win.


Love when people make claims like this and they weren't even there. If you're going to complain, at least be right.
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TomBear;842537828 said:


The halftime show we all saw Saturday was a well intentioned effort at doing something different than the same old stuff they've done so often......tributes to pop culture icons.


I have a different take on this aspect. I don't remember the game several years ago, but there was one where they had a "dance off" segment that was different and kind of funny. Then if felt like every halftime show had a dance off. Now we have people dressed as kitty cats doing free dance in a spaceship formation. I'm tired of halftime shows that put Oski into a gimmicky story with the stupid tree and/or the trojan and/or Nintendo characters. Any of these things can be great every once in a while, but Saturday's halftime show was, for me, just another stage of a boring slide into predictability. The worst part is that after the last few years I can't even say that Saturday's show surprises me.
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I played snare drum in the band. yeah the sticking was awsome. Took a long time to learn that and your arms have to be in shape.Not sure the new drum harnesses allow for much High sticking but not sure. When I have played in the Alumni band I use my own high stepper.

The two things I have always not liked were the band playing mostly to the students which means alumni can't hear much. Also we don't have enough brass.

Anyone noticed how polished the Grambling Sousaphones were? Compare to Cal Band where a few were downright dull. This could be fixed.
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ducky23;842537801 said:

I say this about two or three times a year. Eventually people will start believing me.

When a lot of us went to school, we were the cool kids who happened to be smart. The furdies were the nerds. That's what made for such a fun rivalry. The huge differences between the student bodies.

Now because it's so hard to get into, cal has become a school of all nerds as well. The difference between the furd student body and cal student body is pretty much non existent.

Our band becoming more and more like furd is not surprising.

Nerds!!!!!!!!


We were walking down from the stadium on Saturday and came upon some Asian kids who were dancing to recorded music. The dancing was very individualized- I'm sure it has a name- to me it looked like a variant of break dancing. It surprised us because of cultural stereotypes you don't always associate Asians with expressive, individual dances. The kids were having a good time and into it. It was good to be on a campus where all kinds of entertainment are being tolerated and practiced. The student body is big enough and diverse enough so that whatever you want, there is a kindred spirit- be it football or dancing.
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GB54;842537880 said:

We were walking down from the stadium on Saturday and came upon some Asian kids who were dancing to recorded music. The dancing was very individualized- I'm sure it has a name- to me it looked like a variant of break dancing. It surprised us because of cultural stereotypes you don't always associate Asians with expressive, individual dances. The kids were having a good time and into it. It was good to be on a campus where all kinds of entertainment are being tolerated and practiced. The student body is big enough and diverse enough so that whatever you want, there is a kindred spirit- be it football or dancing.


Not sure how old you are, but that sort of dancing is very highly associated with Asian-Americans, and has been for some time. For example, the Jabbawockeez are very famous and are mostly (? all?) Asian-Americans. The rest of your point is well-taken.
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oskidunker;842537872 said:

I played snare drum in the band. yeah the sticking was awsome. Took a long time to learn that and your arms have to be in shape.Not sure the new drum harnesses allow for much High sticking but not sure. When I have played in the Alumni band I use my own high stepper.

The two things I have always not liked were the band playing mostly to the students which means alumni can't hear much. Also we don't have enough brass.

Whenever the band plays from the stands they're addressing the west side and the east side fans miss out. I think it evens out. As an east sider I'm very happy to sometimes hear the band at half time.
oskidunker;842537872 said:



Anyone noticed how polished the Grambling Sousaphones were? Compare to Cal Band where a few were downright dull. This could be fixed.

Noticed that first at the Richmond practice earlier in the week - all their Sousaphones were identical and all polished. When they packed up after practice it seemed each Sousaphone musician donned a clean pair of white gloves before touching the bell.

Another observation: Cal is blessed with a deep repertoire of great cal songs, not many of which lend themselves to heavy brass arrangements. Other schools are not so blessed and can play their deadly fanfares repeatedly, basically having little else. Our band and our repertoire of school songs are what tie the generations together. I hope they never change.
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grandmastapoop;842537853 said:

Love when people make claims like this and they weren't even there. If you're going to complain, at least be right.


I made an Emily Litella reference at the office, and no one knew what I was talking about . . . I've evolved to inhabit a world that doesn't exist anymore
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I've seen a lot of -issing & -oaning here & on FB, and it's time to chime in:

I have to admit: I wasn't thrilled about the Cal Band halftime. But....

+ The Grambling Band was awesome! Listening to each section was a real treat. Trumpets and basses especially. Those kids could really blow. Close to zero missed or cracked notes. Each section was its own wall of sound. That was really impressive.

+ For those who are complaining about the Cal Band, take a look at the show as seen from the East (student) section:


+ Having the Band do a show facing the other side is like approaching a good friend you haven't seen in months, and just when you greet them, they turn their back to you and talk to someone else. And it's really hard to hear the conversation. But we're adults, we'll get over it. Like they say, there are two sides to every stadium.

+ Doesn't most of the Band's operating budget come from student fees? If it does, I can certainly understand the decision to face the student section & do a show that would appeal to the students.

+ "When I was in the Band..." we did almost every show to the West (Alumni) side. And then we had to plead with ASUC to maintain our funding, as I recall.

+ Let's keep this in perspective:
- Huge class of new bandsmen
- Fewer incoming bandsmen (especially those from CA) have ever marched & played at the same time (K-12 budget cuts!)
- First game!!
- How many of us alums would've been accepted at Cal today, and if we were, how many could afford the time commitment? Lower GPA => greater chance of not getting a job while being stuck with [U]humongous[/U] student loans

+ In my 1st year in the Cal Band, we had a huge incoming class (like this year), and we heard rumblings from the alumni about lower performance standards, yada, yada, yada. To which most of the Band responded with a big [U]FTA[/U]. In a few weeks, they'll be very much improved. Whether they listened to the kvetching of the alums, or not.

+ With all that said, there's a fine line between enthusiasm/exuberance and dignity. I thought that some of the postgame concert celebratory antics didn't come off so well (i.e., trombonal circumnavigation of the two bands); but at the same time, I wanted to say to the Grambling Band, "RELAX!! Have some fun!!" As a reference point, when the Cal & Ohio State bands were together for postgame, the OSU band was way more professional & polished, but they looked stiff/no fun. The Cal Band looked like they were having way more fun. I thought the Cal Band, at that game, looked exuberant AND dignified. At the postgame concert on Saturday, the Cal Band looked less dignified -- only because the Grambling State band took their postgame performance so seriously. (That would've been hard to see from the ground.) If the GSB wasn't there, it would've come off as an appropriate celebration for a 73-14 win.

+ OK, I think we've all spent too much time on this! Great win! GO BEARS!!
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grandmastapoop;842537888 said:

Not sure how old you are, but that sort of dancing is very highly associated with Asian-Americans, and has been for some time. For example, the Jabbawockeez are very famous and are mostly (? all?) Asian-Americans. The rest of your point is well-taken.


Yeah, I'm a big fan of ABDC and there's always a heavy asian influence on the crews each season.
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Golden One;842536506 said:

+1


Play through the ads! The hell with permission!
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My friend played clarinet in the Cal Band in 1972. After the first few bus trips he concluded that he had never hung around with a larger collection of twisted and demented mf'ers in his life--and he kinda liked that part.
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I complained to ATO about the piped in music. To their credit they called back. They told me that some of the music is at the request of the players, and some is because the band doesn't take every opportunity to play that they are given.
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Are you telling us that during the game, during time-outs the players have requested piped in music? That is beyond believable; it's just not true. I understand the piped in music during warm ups; that's been going on for years but players asking for piped in music during the game is beyond the realm of what a coach would allow.

This is just another example of those in change echoing the party line; we are going to play piped in music no matter what because we can; we have the POWER.
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Don'tDance;842539334 said:

I complained to ATO about the piped in music. To their credit they called back. They told me that some of the music is at the request of the players, and some is because the band doesn't take every opportunity to play that they are given.



Maybe the communication between the PA people and the band is bad. How would the band know when to play when the PA can (seemingly) randomly drown them out?
 
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