KoreAmBear;842605304 said:

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Ah my friend you need to re-read what I said. Not bad/adequate both refer to his passing. I think he is a fantastic runner, and has a good feel for avoiding hits straight on. Heck we haven't really had much of a sample size for his passing ability (TFS and Sonny have). But if you think about the analogy to Vernon Adams, you would understand what I mean. Adams does not have a good arm at all, but because people are so worried about him busting one, they leave receivers wide open and all Adams has to do is flip to them. That's what's great about a dual threat QB.

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just kidding you :p
Luke will have choices. QB is getting cluttered and what you suggest would involve scheme changes - however, they would have to work for all the QBs as [SIZE=1]<shhh unlike before when backups got no reps>[/SIZE] everyone will be working on the same plays.
OTOH, if last year's safety recruits are ready, Luke will be battling again for playing time on D, so ...

Something to look forward to in the Spring, where will Luke be playing?

89Bear;842605323 said:

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D White had a very nice jump in his second year. I'm also hoping the other JC guys on defense have that same jump next year.

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What happened to Antoine Albert? I thought he was supposed to be a lockdown kind of corner?

89Bear;842605281 said:

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A jump forward in line play will help the running game improve, which then helps the QB. Line play improves and the receivers have more time for separation, which then helps the QB. The next QB could have some advantages that Goff never had.
The staff has been pretty high on Forrest.

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I agree that an improvement on the O-Line will compensate for a drop in QB talent, and I hope we see it. I just think that Goff has masked how bad the O-Line situation really is right now. Goff is about as good of a passer as I have seen in terms of delivering the ball under pressure and while I think this offense is somewhat plug-and-play, I think even the same level of offensive line play will be made to look much worse with a less experienced, less talented QB taking the snaps.

Maybe adding a run element to the QB will compensate, I don't know.

KoreAmBear;842605336 said:

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What happened to Antoine Albert? I thought he was supposed to be a lockdown kind of corner?

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Next year:p

KoreAmBear;842605332 said:

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For some reason I thought of him as a senior. I can see him being better next year. With all that experience, he will know exactly what to do (even if he is not fast).

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Nickerson probably has the best instincts of all the LBs on the team. Sadly, he just isn't quite fast enough to really be an all-American. However, he plays smart and is definitely a leader on the field. We'll miss him in 2017 after he graduates.

moonpod;842605170 said:

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honestly I think 2016 will look a lot like 2015 overall.

on the O. the OL looks MUCH better the last few games and basically they all return. They will be a strength next year. Returning more mature RBs. plenty of WRs. IF the TFS is truly as plug and play as purported, the overall offensive results will be roughly the same.

The D will be slightly better IMO. if we could find a healthy sideline to sideline MLB maybe a step up from that.

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I think we have to expect regression at the QB and WR slot.

tequila4kapp;842605365 said:

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I think we have to expect regression at the QB and WR slot.

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Not necessarily. The OL should be even more improved, pass pro and running, and with Tre now leading, we should have an improved running game.
The current QB backups will be only lacking game experience (granted, that's a lot) but they're not chopped liver. Forrest seems steady and Bowers has legs. They've been getting lots of reps in practice.

We have a flood of new receivers ready to play, several with a lot of game experience. WR is still deep.

I'm aware of using the useless word "should" above ... spring ball will start the story and we have those pre-bowl practices.

KoreAmBear;842605330 said:

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Hawaii was absolutely terrible this season (it's shameful to CU and McIntyre that they lost to such a terrible team), but who knows with new coach and back to June Jones principles? The new coach Nick Rolovich was a QB in the June Jones system.

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It worries me a little that we won't have any tape on their offense. And that there's only a 4 hour time zone difference for the Hawaii players, as opposed to 9 for Cal's players (I think, right?).

KoreAmBear;842605282 said:

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I'm still a huge Rubenzer fan at QB. He knows the offense. He's played in the offense. I think everyone has already dismissed him because of his passing, but his passing wasn't bad in HS, and with his running, you just need to be adequate (think Vernon Adams). Let the best man win!

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I, also, am still intrigued with the possibility of Rubenzer at QB. That said, the coaches have a good idea of what he can and cannot do, so I trust they will make the right decision in this case.

Calcoholic;842605371 said:

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It worries me a little that we won't have any tape on their offense. And that there's only a 4 hour time zone difference for the Hawaii players, as opposed to 9 for Cal's players (I think, right?).

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The time zone difference will be much more impactful on the return. I used to live there and always found it ok going there and absolutely crippling coming back to the US.

A few comments:
Chad Hansen will be starting at WR next year.

KAB: I believe Albert was playing special teams. I don't know if he is a junior or a senior next year but I'm sure he'll be competing with Hawkins and Dozier for White's vacated CB spot. They could also move him to nickel, but Walker and Coleman have done a good job there.

A question: What happened with Wainwright? He was my favorite "next man up" guy at LB and we need that.

[U]MY ASSESSMENT FOR 2016[/U]

4 major questions need to be answered between now and opening day 2016, hopefully by spring:
[LIST=1]

Will we really be improved on the lines?

Who will be our new starting QB and how much drop off will there be?

Are we going to have at least 6 serviceable LBs?

Who will be the next stars at WR?



Our 2016 will be determined by answers to these questions.
Some of those answers depend on how recruiting goes between now and February.
For example, we could use a DL that can step in right away. And the same thing goes for LB.

I am less concerned about the WRs as I am excited to see what Jack Austin and some overachieving walk-ons can do to add depth to what will be a talented but young group of recent recruits.

I am not as optimistic about the OL as some. Sure we only lose Rigsbee, but many thought the OL would improve this year after only losing Crosthwaite and Adcock. Those losses seem bigger now. And I'm still not convinced that the old blocking scheme is gone for good, if at all. Of course I am encouraged by the improvement of Granado and Cochran in recent weeks but I still think Moore is getting beat too often. Maybe Vinny can help there but I'm not counting on any of our 2016 class to jump in right away.

Despite my feelings about the OL, I don't think there will be as much of a drop off at QB as some think. Of course our new QB will look like Goff in games against poor defenses and like Maynard at other times. And posters will be up and down about him all season as he grows into the position. In any case, I think our new and young QB will provide hope for the future and be serviceable right away. And I think it will be Forrest, who you have to like if you've been to practices.

We will forever miss Goff no matter how the new guy does because Goff was just so special in so many ways and these 3 years went by way too fast to really appreciate what Goff was doing, especially since there were so many disappointing losses along the way.

I think we are going to be fine at RB and, ironically, DB and I think we have at least half of a decent starting 4 at DL figured out; that being Wilson and Looney. Then I think Ude, Saffle, Mekari, Manley, Bequette, Zeandre Johnson, and Emisbe should provide enough competition for the other half to get sorted out. Mekarki and Manley already have starting experience on the inside and are still young. Mekari is better than we think. It was when he got injured in Eugene that all hell broke loose in the 2nd quarter. Before that Cal was doing pretty well stopping Oregon.

More recently Saffle has emerged and Cal would not have won Saturday night without him. He could be the 4th guy. But Ude should make some noise. After all he was a 4 star in some systems. And Bequette made some noise during the off-season last year.

In summery: Cal could piece together a decent set of starters, even at LB where they have Nickerson, Barton, Kearney and Downs all returning. The larger question remains depth which partly depends on how the 2016 class looks on signing day.

But my prognosis is that Cal takes a slight step back. It will be a challenge for them to get to a bowl because the schedule gets harder in a sense. Yes Cal has more home games against the better teams, but they will have a harder time beating teams like WSU, ASU and OSU on the road and they may not be good enough to beat the likes of UCLA, Oregon and furd at home, even though furd and Oregon will also have changes at QB.

In any case, it will be an intriguing season with Texas coming in and several of the better teams starting over at QB. If Goff were to return (good luck with that), he would pretty much have the pac-12 limelight to himself, unless Folk has another year like he did this year. Rosen and Soloman would be the only other guys in the picture.

Here is my sense of which teams will be better
WSU
UCLA
Washington
OSU (although that doesn't mean they'll be good)
USC (despite losing Kessler-they underachieved because of off-field issues that will be gone next season)
Arizona (only because they slightly underachieved this season)
Colorado (They return most of their players and should make a push as they were better than their record showed)

Teams that will essentially tread water:
Cal
Oregon
ASU (despite underachieving this year-they lose a lot of their best players but are fairly deep in talent)
furd

Teams that will be worse:
Utah (I think they slightly overachieved because of Booker. He will be gone next season and so will a bunch of others including their QB)

Games Cal should win:
Hawaii
SDS
OSU
Utah

Games that could be close:
Texas
Washington
@ASU
furd
Oregon

Games that seem to be a loss:
@WSU
@USC
UCLA

My best guess is that Cal goes 6-6, losing 3 of the close games to furd, ASU and Texas. I think they beat an improved Washington team and upset Oregon.

heartofthebear;842605394 said:

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A few comments:
Chad Hansen will be starting at WR next year.

KAB: I believe Albert was playing special teams. I don't know if he is a junior or a senior next year but I'm sure he'll be competing with Hawkins and Dozier for White's vacated CB spot. They could also move him to nickel, but Walker and Coleman have done a good job there.

A question: What happened with Wainwright? He was my favorite "next man up" guy at LB and we need that.

[U]MY ASSESSMENT FOR 2016[/U]

4 major questions need to be answered between now and opening day 2016, hopefully by spring:
[LIST=1]

Will we really be improved on the lines?

Who will be our new starting QB and how much drop off will there be?

Are we going to have at least 6 serviceable LBs?

Who will be the next stars at WR?



Our 2016 will be determined by answers to these questions.
Some of those answers depend on how recruiting goes between now and February.
For example, we could use a DL that can step in right away. And the same thing goes for LB.

I am less concerned about the WRs as I am excited to see what Jack Austin and some overachieving walk-ons can do to add depth to what will be a talented but young group of recent recruits.

I am not as optimistic about the OL as some. Sure we only lose Rigsbee, but many thought the OL would improve this year after only losing Crosthwaite and Adcock. Those losses seem bigger now. And I'm still not convinced that the old blocking scheme is gone for good, if at all. Of course I am encouraged by the improvement of Granado and Cochran in recent weeks but I still think Moore is getting beat too often. Maybe Vinny can help there but I'm not counting on any of our 2016 class to jump in right away.

Despite my feelings about the OL, I don't think there will be as much of a drop off at QB as some think. Of course our new QB will look like Goff in games against poor defenses and like Maynard at other times. And posters will be up and down about him all season as he grows into the position. In any case, I think our new and young QB will provide hope for the future and be serviceable right away. And I think it will be Forrest, who you have to like if you've been to practices.

We will forever miss Goff no matter how the new guy does because Goff was just so special in so many ways and these 3 years went by way too fast to really appreciate what Goff was doing, especially since there were so many disappointing losses along the way.

I think we are going to be fine at RB and, ironically, DB and I think we have at least half of a decent starting 4 at DL figured out; that being Wilson and Looney. Then I think Ude, Saffle, Mekari, Manley, Bequette, Zeandre Johnson, and Emisbe should provide enough competition for the other half to get sorted out. Mekarki and Manley already have starting experience on the inside and are still young. Mekari is better than we think. It was when he got injured in Eugene that all hell broke loose in the 2nd quarter. Before that Cal was doing pretty well stopping Oregon.

More recently Saffle has emerged and Cal would not have won Saturday night without him. He could be the 4th guy. But Ude should make some noise. After all he was a 4 star in some systems. And Bequette made some noise during the off-season last year.

In summery: Cal could piece together a decent set of starters, even at LB where they have Nickerson, Barton, Kearney and Downs all returning. The larger question remains depth which partly depends on how the 2016 class looks on signing day.

But my prognosis is that Cal takes a slight step back. It will be a challenge for them to get to a bowl because the schedule gets harder in a sense. Yes Cal has more home games against the better teams, but they will have a harder time beating teams like WSU, ASU and OSU on the road and they may not be good enough to beat the likes of UCLA, Oregon and furd at home, even though furd and Oregon will also have changes at QB.

In any case, it will be an intriguing season with Texas coming in and several of the better teams starting over at QB. If Goff were to return (good luck with that), he would pretty much have the pac-12 limelight to himself, unless Folk has another year like he did this year. Rosen and Soloman would be the only other guys in the picture.

Here is my sense of which teams will be better
WSU
UCLA
Washington
OSU (although that doesn't mean they'll be good)
USC (despite losing Kessler-they underachieved because of off-field issues that will be gone next season)
Arizona (only because they slightly underachieved this season)
Colorado (They return most of their players and should make a push as they were better than their record showed)

Teams that will essentially tread water:
Cal
Oregon
ASU (despite underachieving this year-they lose a lot of their best players but are fairly deep in talent)
furd

Teams that will be worse:
Utah (I think they slightly overachieved because of Booker. He will be gone next season and so will a bunch of others including their QB)

Games Cal should win:
Hawaii
SDS
OSU
Utah

Games that could be close:
Texas
Washington
@ASU
furd
Oregon

Games that seem to be a loss:
@WSU
@USC
UCLA

My best guess is that Cal goes 6-6, losing 3 of the close games to furd, ASU and Texas. I think they beat an improved Washington team and upset Oregon.

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Don't sleep on Browning. He's the closest to Goff of all the Pac-12 QBs I see.

mvargus;842605290 said:

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Heck, look at WSU. They've had some good QBs go down and the backup ends up putting up better numbers.

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Until he doesn't.

Calcoholic;842605371 said:

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It worries me a little that we won't have any tape on their offense. And that there's only a 4 hour time zone difference for the Hawaii players, as opposed to 9 for Cal's players (I think, right?).

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Probably very similar to Wazzu. He was the OC for Nevada so you can see tape there. I'll scout the spring and fall camps. :P Or at least Isami will.

Gilliam is from Thousand Oaks HS (public school), not the private school powerhouse Oaks Christian.

KoreAmBear;842605244 said:

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Forrest, Gilliam or Bowers. There will be some good comp in spring. Each seems to possess some unique qualities: Forrest (experience, seems to be poised, throws good balls), Gilliam (another Oaks Christian elite QB - early entrant), Bowers (would be nice to have that running QB).

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BearBackerinLA;842605466 said:

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Gilliam is from Thousand Oaks HS (public school), not the private school powerhouse Oaks Christian.

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Oops. I thought he was the heir to Rosen. Close enough!

KAB, you got the LA area high schools mixed up. Rosen is from St John Bosco, nowhere close to Thousand Oaks/Oaks Christian geographically speaking. And I thought you used to live in LA. ;-)

BearBackerinLA;842605478 said:

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KAB, you got the LA area high schools mixed up. Rosen is from St John Bosco, nowhere close to Thousand Oaks/Oaks Christian geographically speaking. And I thought you used to live in LA. ;-)

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Oh crap I lost touch. I thought Rosen went to Oaks Christian since seemingly everyone at UCLA went there (OK at least two -- Payton and Adams). Got it.

speaking of the heir to Rosen, Quentin Davis from St John Bosco has not gotten any major offers despite leading his team to an undefeated record and No. 1 national ranking (USA Today). His 1st offer was Seton Hill U (not to be confused with Seton Hall in basketball) and his best offer to date is Fresno State. No Pac 12 offers. Just goes to show that being the QB from a national powerhouse does not automatically equate to major D1 Power-5 conference offers. Chase's situation was similar in that he was the QB for highly-ranked powerhouse Mater Dei but did not get any major offers.

KoreAmBear;842605475 said:

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Oops. I thought he was the heir to Rosen. Close enough!

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KoreAmBear;842605406 said:

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Don't sleep on Browning. He's the closest to Goff of all the Pac-12 QBs I see.

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I said Cal beats an improved Washington team, meaning largely Browning and Petersen going into year 3 with a mostly returning above average defense.

I would love to see the Bears add an impact CB, LB and WR via JC for 2016. I would also like a pass rushing DE via JC but those are really hard to find. QB play will be a huge key. I do not expect the defense to improve enough to carry the team if the offense struggles. This Spring will be critical in finding a QB and settling on the WR rotation. Special teams must improve. Kickoff coverage cannot be like this past season. If the offense falls some (likely) then everything else has to get better.

6956bear;842605697 said:

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I would love to see the Bears add an impact CB, LB and WR via JC for 2016. I would also like a pass rushing DE via JC but those are really hard to find. QB play will be a huge key. I do not expect the defense to improve enough to carry the team if the offense struggles. This Spring will be critical in finding a QB and settling on the WR rotation. Special teams must improve. Kickoff coverage cannot be like this past season. If the offense falls some (likely) then everything else has to get better.

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WR? That's the only position in which recruited 4* exist, and have gotten practice experience.
We have JC CBs, and 'shirted frosh, ready to compete at CB, and safety.
LB needs work ... and ST was :bigpuke:

SonOfCalVa;842605335 said:

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<shhh unlike before when backups got no reps>

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Jared Goff 316 492 4252 64.2 8.64 37 13 156.4
Chase Forrest 10 18 162 55.6 9.00 1 1 138.4

SonOfCalVa;842605370 said:

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Not necessarily. The OL should be even more improved, pass pro and running, and with Tre now leading, we should have an improved running game.
The current QB backups will be only lacking game experience (granted, that's a lot) but they're not chopped liver. Forrest seems steady and Bowers has legs. They've been getting lots of reps in practice.

We have a flood of new receivers ready to play, several with a lot of game experience. WR is still deep.

I'm aware of using the useless word "should" above ... spring ball will start the story and we have those pre-bowl practices.

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Agree to disagree, I guess. I personally think its crazy to believe any first year player is going to come in and be as good as a guy that is widely regarded as the best college QB in the land. Goff has regressed, but he is good. I doubt we see anyone else anytime soon who's as good at moving just enough to avoid pressure and find receivers as Goff is. That's a special skill. Same basic story at WR - the replacements may have skills but our current guys are good. If there's anything we can say about this staff it is that they'll play anyone at any position if the kid is good enough. The replacements by and large haven't been good enough. That should tell us something. Lastly, I guess I'll just say I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp with regard to the OL being a strength, and especially such a strength that it helps overcome inexperience at QB/WR. I hope I'm wrong.

Here's the way I see it.

Games Cal should win:
Hawaii
SDS
OSU

Games that could be close:
@WSU
Utah
@ASU

Games that seem to be a loss:
Texas
@USC
UCLA
Washington
furd
Oregon

KoreAmBear;842605125 said:

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This is just a quick review of those coming back. I haven't accounted for the additions in the 2016 class, which can make a difference too.

Defense:

Looks like it could be as good if not better than this season. Those of note coming back:

D-Line: Saffle, Zendae Johnson, Westerfield, Emesibe, Devante Wilson, Looney, Ude, Manley, Bequette, Mekari. Add some 2016 recruits, that's not bad at all.

Linebackers: Hardy, Downs, Barton, Anoa`i, Kearney, Davison, Tongilava. Looks like we're thin here. Maybe switch Powell over.

DBs: Walker, Caleb Coleman, Greathouse, Rubenzer, McCrary, Piatt, Drew, Tartabull, Rambo, Vanderbilt, Allensworth, Albert, Hawkins, Psalms, Derron Brown, Trey Turner, Dozier. It appears that we have more depth than before, and the youngsters have more upside.

Offense:

Line: Granado, Trani, Ooms, Uluave, Moore, Borrayo, Bennett, Cochran, Hinnant. Rigsbee and Farley leave from the starters. Can build on Moore, Borrayo and Cochran. Uluave is intriguing.

RB: Enwere, Watson, Muhamed, Powell, Coprich. We're in good shape.

WR: Wharton III, Hansen, Hudson, Lawler (please?), Noa, Strickland (!), Singleton, Aaron, Rockett, Austin, etc. With newcomers in the 2016 class, while we are severely inexperienced, the talent seems to be there and maybe a little more size and speed.

QB: Chase Forrest, Ross Bowers, or Max Gilliam (early entrant just like Jared)? Should be some good comp. As you know, TFS is not afraid to start a true freshman.

If we can some efficiency from the very inexperienced QB and WR spots, we could be decent in 2016. I'd say something in the range of UW or Wazzu. And of course, we have the more favorable even year scheduling (UCLA, Oregon, UW, Furd, and Texas at home).

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Good post.

The negative: With TFS, the QB is key, and I see growing pains since I just don't see Goff returning. Also, new WR group (Lawler should come back, but we will see). If in fact there is more flexibility in our oline alignment and the running game improves, this may be less of an issue.

The positive: IMO, I see the defense taking another step up. Linebacker will be key. Several guys like Downs have to stay healthy and live up to their potential. I like our dline.

It would likely could be viewed as a rebuilding year on offense due to the new QB and WRs, i am strangely am optimistic for a 7 to 8 win season (I also like the schedule better than this last year).

Just opinions and a lot could change given injuries, attrition, who moves on to the NFL, and JC recruiting.

here's the thing. If Sonny doesn't have a decent season next year with most of his OL returning (4/5 starters and 4/5 of the backups) and watson and khalfani emerging to cushion the intro of a new QB.....you can't say "goff's gone" you say why is your recruiting/development not panning out. If you are a "pumper" you believe in Sonny and therefore you must believe in his recruiting/development. so you must believe that we will be ok next year. At least good enough to do as we did this year. Beat the lesser lights and lose to the upper echelon. Ok. If you are a "nega" I can see that you expect a big down turn next year. which should make you happy because that will probably seal Sonny's fate (the extension notwithstanding). But y'all can't have it both ways. sonnys either doing a good job and we are gonna be at least "ok" next year or he isn't and you shouldn't be on the band wagon.

tequila4kapp;842605746 said:

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Here's the way I see it.

Games Cal should win:
Hawaii
SDS
OSU

Games that could be close:
@WSU
Utah
@ASU

Games that seem to be a loss:
Texas
@USC
UCLA
Washington
furd
Oregon

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This looks more realistic to me. I think we go 6-6 or 7-5 if we can steal one from the bottom group - I'm thinking Texas - they've had some awful losses this year.

tequila4kapp;842605738 said:

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Agree to disagree, I guess. I personally think its crazy to believe any first year player is going to come in and be as good as a guy that is widely regarded as the best college QB in the land. Goff has regressed, but he is good. I doubt we see anyone else anytime soon who's as good at moving just enough to avoid pressure and find receivers as Goff is. That's a special skill. Same basic story at WR - the replacements may have skills but our current guys are good. If there's anything we can say about this staff it is that they'll play anyone at any position if the kid is good enough. The replacements by and large haven't been good enough. That should tell us something. Lastly, I guess I'll just say I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp with regard to the OL being a strength, and especially such a strength that it helps overcome inexperience at QB/WR. I hope I'm wrong.

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safe, very very safe response ...

I foresee a 7-5 season

Hawaii - win
@SDSU - win
Texas - win, what makes them so unbeatable at home next year?
@WSU - loss, but could be a win if our QB play is solid
UW - loss, If Peterson takes them the next level up, they could compete for the division championship next year with Browning returning.
@OSU - win
UO - win, I think they take a big step back. The defense is already bad and I have no idea what their QB plan is going forward.
Furd - loss
@USC - loss
UCLA - loss
Utah - win, they step back
@ASU - win, no QB experience, the Graham drive seems to be fading

dajo9;842605775 said:

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I foresee a 7-5 season

Hawaii - win
@SDSU - win
Texas - win, what makes them so unbeatable at home next year?
@WSU - loss, but could be a win if our QB play is solid
UW - loss, If Peterson takes them the next level up, they could compete for the division championship next year with Browning returning.
@OSU - win
UO - win, I think they take a big step back. The defense is already bad and I have no idea what their QB plan is going forward.
Furd - loss
@USC - loss
UCLA - loss
Utah - win, they step back
ASU - win, no QB experience, the Graham drive seems to be fading

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they are counting on the kid that's redshirting right now. Waller. If he doesn't pan out they are actually all in on the kid from AZ Kelly or something like that for the 2017 class. This comes from an ex player that I work with that's still connected to the program. They took 2 this year as well (2016) but the guy they are really high on is Kelly, 2017.

moonpod;842605782 said:

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they are counting on the kid that's redshirting right now. Waller. If he doesn't pan out they are actually all in on the kid from AZ Kelly or something like that for the 2017 class. This comes from an ex player that I work with that's still connected to the program. They took 2 this year as well (2016) but the guy they are really high on is Kelly, 2017.

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If Oregon's next good QB is a high school junior right now then we really should get the W in 2016

dajo9;842605775 said:

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UO - win, I think they take a big step back. The defense is already bad and I have no idea what their QB plan is going forward.

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This is pretty much what everyone said about 2015. Oregon has well regarded players, a superior system and a community that cares about football. They'll be good.

tequila4kapp;842605849 said:

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This is pretty much what everyone said about 2015. Oregon has well regarded players, a superior system and a community that cares about football. They'll be good.

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correct ... and it's up to us to be better ... beginning with our pre-bowl practices, bowl game, winter conditioning then spring ball, summer conditioning, then fall ball and 2016 games ... a long way to go.

tequila4kapp;842605849 said:

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This is pretty much what everyone said about 2015. Oregon has well regarded players, a superior system and a community that cares about football. They'll be good.

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But it was all about the QB for them. They were two very different teams with and without Adams. So Waller panning out next year is a BIG deal