Cal's is about to become 3.0 for 80% of its roster, anyone know factually those numbers for Stanford?

I think even post-Harbaugh Furd would laugh at the idea that a student with under a 3.0 GPA would even consider applying to Stanfrud.

You sure about that?

OskiMD;842610805 said:

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I think even post-Harbaugh Furd would laugh at the idea that a student with under a 3.0 GPA would even consider applying to Stanfrud.

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OP didn't ask what you think their standards are, s/he asked if you had any facts.

I don't have the answer to the OP's question but I also would suggest it is IRRELEVANT.

Furd recruits in a VERY different world than we do. It is the world of upper class/middle upper class Bobos who have exiled themselves to affluent suburban public schools or to elite preps. Their kids have the god given ability to play sports. But they are not going to be comfortable in an urban public land grant university.

Furd benefits because they are the last man standing in the world of division one FOOTBALL. They also benefit because we are seeing the first wave of post-reserve clause NFL/NBA legacy kids who have genes from their dads to play sports but whose earning powers meant they lived in the Bobo Cacoon. Sanders Junior is a nice at hand example of that. Ditto McCafferty - whose dad played in the NFL, who grew up in an affluent suburb of Denver and whose prep school's alma mater's tuition this year is $16,580.

I just HATE the self loathing on this board about Furd ATHLETICS. Cal and Furd DO compete for general academic admissions. But they play in very different pools for sports....and the challenge for Cal is that our pool is crowded with schools like UCLA and Michigan and even Ohio State and Texas.

bearblast;842610787 said:

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Cal's is about to become 3.0 for 80% of its roster, anyone know factually those numbers for Stanford?

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No. Its kept private. My understanding is they look at a lot of factors than just GPA. Test scores, what high school you come from, leadership activities, etc. One requirement is you must take and do well on AP classes, and this is from an impeccable source (I sit next to the Dean of Admissions at football games).

But your not going to get any data. Looking at the macro numbers that schools provide each year about undergrad admissions, there likely are few Furd athletes under a 3.0 or with even middle test scores. Remember, Furd has about 1,000 student athletes in a school with a little over 7,000 undergrads. Moreover, I think Cal just needs to be what Cal is, not Furd.

How hard is it get a 3.0 in these days of advance placement and grade inflation? Cal doesn't have an average 3.75 GPA like the Ivies and Furd, so we need players who are smart enough to matriculate, and have good study habits.

socaltownie;842610819 said:

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I don't have the answer to the OP's question but I also would suggest it is IRRELEVANT.

Furd recruits in a VERY different world than we do. It is the world of upper class/middle upper class Bobos who have exiled themselves to affluent suburban public schools or to elite preps. Their kids have the god given ability to play sports. But they are not going to be comfortable in an urban public land grant university.

Furd benefits because they are the last man standing in the world of division one FOOTBALL. They also benefit because we are seeing the first wave of post-reserve clause NFL/NBA legacy kids who have genes from their dads to play sports but whose earning powers meant they lived in the Bobo Cacoon. Sanders Junior is a nice at hand example of that. Ditto McCafferty - whose dad played in the NFL, who grew up in an affluent suburb of Denver and whose prep school's alma mater's tuition this year is $16,580.

I just HATE the self loathing on this board about Furd ATHLETICS. Cal and Furd DO compete for general academic admissions. But they play in very different pools for sports....and the challenge for Cal is that our pool is crowded with schools like UCLA and Michigan and even Ohio State and Texas.

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They also recruit the academic Catholic schools hard.

wifeisafurd;842610823 said:

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No. Its kept private. My understanding is they look at a lot of factors than just GPA. Test scores, what high school you come from, leadership activities, etc. One requirement is you must take and do well on AP classes, and this is from an impeccable source (I sit next to the Dean of Admissions at football games).

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When you are recruiting kids from schools like Valor Christian HS or Harvard Westlake that is a very different bar then when you are trying to recruit kids from Mission Bay HS. In the former cases, it is "hard wired" into the curriculum. In the later is is not. Don't buy the hype. Ask him next time to point out the kids that went to Title 1 schools. #Crickets

(Yes, I despise Furd)

wifeisafurd;842610827 said:

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They also recruit the academic Catholic schools hard.

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Increasingly those are one and the same. In San Diego the replacement for SD High School explicitly moved 20 miles north to be in closer proximity to Rancho Santa Fe and Fairbanks Ranch to recruit for the pool of students that was going to Bishops, La Jolla Country Day and Horizons

with furd, it goes beyond GPAs to grading and classes after admittance ...

San Jose State's average admit has a 3.4

socaltownie;842610832 said:

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When you are recruiting kids from schools like Valor Christian HS or Harvard Westlake that is a very different bar then when you are trying to recruit kids from Mission Bay HS. In the former cases, it is "hard wired" into the curriculum. In the later is is not. Don't buy the hype. Ask him next time to point out the kids that went to Title 1 schools. #Crickets

(Yes, I despise Furd)

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I m not allowed to despise Furd for the obvious reasons, but I agree they are mostly recruiting kids from different schools. There are a few exceptions like Richard Sherman. With some irony, Cal is recruiting a lot of kids from football powerhouses.

Also, Furd can guarantee you a high GPA and a major you want - something Cal can't offer. We really can't be focused on what Furd does, we have to focus on what Cal does.

wifeisafurd;842610849 said:

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I m not allowed to despise Furd for the obvious reasons, but I agree they are mostly recruiting kids from different schools. There are a few exceptions like Richard Sherman. With some irony, Cal is recruiting a lot of kids from football powerhouses.

Also, Furd can guarantee you a high GPA and a major you want - something Cal can't offer. We really can't be focused on what Furd does, we have to focus on what Cal does.

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How we missed on Sherman is a point of grave irritation in the SCT household. PRECISELY the kind of kid that Cal should recruiting balls to the walls and all out and be PROUD to call a graduate.

And I completely agree: WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT CAL DOEs. It is pointless (and uninstructive) to look across the Bay. Different model. Different institution. Different set of conditions.

socaltownie;842610853 said:

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How we missed on Sherman is a point of grave irritation in the SCT household. PRECISELY the kind of kid that Cal should recruiting balls to the walls and all out and be PROUD to call a graduate.

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Yes, but seems unlikely though that Sherman would have chosen Cal over Furd. He is really proud of his alma mater and no doubt because of the Furd prestige.

3.5....that is what I heard from Mater Dei Parents. Not sure if it is for all the kids..

OskiMD;842610862 said:

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Yes, but seems unlikely though that Sherman would have chosen Cal over Furd. He is really proud of his alma mater and no doubt because of the Furd prestige.

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Maybe. There are a lot of Cal kids that currently love talking that they are affiliated with the number 1 public university of the world. Who knows what alternative time line we could have if Teddy had gotten on a kid that grew up in Compton and graduated with a 4.2 from his PUBLIC high school. Good for Richard but I still want kids with that background to be graduating (and playing) for CAL.

MoragaBear;842610879 said:

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Sherman (especially his mom) was all Stanford. Doesn't matter how hard Cal could've tried. That would not have happened.

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Cal is not for everyone and is not going to land every recruit. Let's just try and get the right guys in here for us. Not everyone (or their parents) is going to buy-in, but there are plenty of players with Richard Shermans potential out there we can recruit. Why all the focus on what Furd does? They have a model that works for them so be it. Cal has to do what works for Cal.

wifeisafurd;842610886 said:

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Cal is not for everyone and is not going to land every recruit. Let's just try and get the right guys in here for us. Not everyone (or their parents) is going to buy-in, but there are plenty of players with Richard Shermans potential out there we can recruit. Why all the focus on what Furd does? They have a model that works for them so be it. Cal has to do what works for Cal.

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Precisely. Cal needs to figure out its identity, commit the proper resources to achieving it, and stop worrying about what everyone else does. It's pointless to compare Cal and a private school. There are just too many differences top to bottom in how everything is run. Some will be drawn to one model and others will be drawn to the other.

wifeisafurd;842610886 said:

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Cal is not for everyone and is not going to land every recruit. Let's just try and get the right guys in here for us. Not everyone (or their parents) is going to buy-in, but there are plenty of players with Richard Shermans potential out there we can recruit. Why all the focus on what Furd does? They have a model that works for them so be it. Cal has to do what works for Cal.

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Cal needs to recruit players who roughly fit the profile of the general student population so that they can succeed here-both academically and socially. Football players at Cal are not automatically lionized like at many other schools. They need to fit in to feel accepted.

I think the jury is still out about whether the new admissions policy will achieve that. We have to see how it applied in practice. The 3.0 requirement and a letter could mean vastly different things. Having about 5 recruits a year under 3.0 could be a problem especially since the minimum SAT/ACT numbers were dropped. So there's no common benchmark. The policy relies more on individual judgements. We'll have to see how this evolves.

barefan1;842610908 said:

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Cal needs to recruit players who roughly fit the profile of the general student population so that they can succeed here-both academically and socially. Football players at Cal are not automatically lionized like at many other schools. They need to fit in to feel accepted.

I think the jury is still out about whether the new admissions policy will achieve that. We have to see how it applied in practice. The 3.0 requirement and a letter could mean vastly different things. Having about 5 recruits a year under 3.0 could be a problem especially since the minimum SAT/ACT numbers were dropped. So there's no common benchmark. The policy relies more on individual judgements. We'll have to see how this evolves.

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In 2012, 3% of current undergraduate students are African American, 39% are Asian, 13% are Chicano/Latino, 1% are Native American/Alaskan Native, less than 1% are Pacific Islander, 29% are White, and 5% are Other/Decline to State. Women outnumber men in most race/ethnic groups, with the largest gender gap occurring in Chicano/Latino current undergraduate students.

hoop97;842610904 said:

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Precisely. Cal needs to figure out its identity, commit the proper resources to achieving it, and stop worrying about what everyone else does. It's pointless to compare Cal and a private school. There are just too many differences top to bottom in how everything is run. Some will be drawn to one model and others will be drawn to the other.

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+1. I get the constant comparison to Stanfurd as they are our rival and academic peer... but in athletics the situations could not be more different. Furd is Shangri-la, where there are no limits on resources (thanks to sugar daddy donors like Arrillaga), and there is no little to no accountability or transparency to the outside world... (take for example admissions, coaches' salaries, free housing for coaches in the middle of the most expensive housing market in America, etc.) Plus they can sell recruits on a prestigious degree without a lot of academically-related stress, with fluff majors like "science, technology, and society."

On another topic I wonder how many Furd students overall are first-generation college attendees.

MarylandBear;842611518 said:

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+1. I get the constant comparison to Stanfurd as they are our rival and academic peer... but in athletics the situations could not be more different. Furd is Shangri-la, where there are no limits on resources (thanks to sugar daddy donors like Arrillaga), and there is no little to no accountability or transparency to the outside world... (take for example admissions, coaches' salaries, free housing for coaches in the middle of the most expensive housing market in America, etc.) Plus they can sell recruits on a prestigious degree without a lot of academically-related stress, with fluff majors like "science, technology, and society."

On another topic I wonder how many Furd students overall are first-generation college attendees.

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I give the sports media credit for realizing (for the most part) that furd's run these last few years is NOT an underdog story.

GB54;842610842 said:

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San Jose State's average admit has a 3.4

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average hours worked per week at the 7/11 in gilroy?

socaltownie;842610819 said:

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I don't have the answer to the OP's question but I also would suggest it is IRRELEVANT.

Furd recruits in a VERY different world than we do. It is the world of upper class/middle upper class Bobos who have exiled themselves to affluent suburban public schools or to elite preps. Their kids have the god given ability to play sports. But they are not going to be comfortable in an urban public land grant university.

Furd benefits because they are the last man standing in the world of division one FOOTBALL. They also benefit because we are seeing the first wave of post-reserve clause NFL/NBA legacy kids who have genes from their dads to play sports but whose earning powers meant they lived in the Bobo Cacoon. Sanders Junior is a nice at hand example of that. Ditto McCafferty - whose dad played in the NFL, who grew up in an affluent suburb of Denver and whose prep school's alma mater's tuition this year is $16,580.

I just HATE the self loathing on this board about Furd ATHLETICS. Cal and Furd DO compete for general academic admissions. But they play in very different pools for sports....and the challenge for Cal is that our pool is crowded with schools like UCLA and Michigan and even Ohio State and Texas.

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+1

Bobodeluxe;842610947 said:

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In 2012, 3% of current undergraduate students are African American, 39% are Asian, 13% are Chicano/Latino, 1% are Native American/Alaskan Native, less than 1% are Pacific Islander, 29% are White, and 5% are Other/Decline to State. Women outnumber men in most race/ethnic groups, with the largest gender gap occurring in Chicano/Latino current undergraduate students.

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This hardly seems fair. When I went to school millions of years ago, men outnumbered women significantly in all races, creeds and religions. You young male whippersnappers don't know how lucky you are. Now get off my lawn!

Bobodeluxe;842610947 said:

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In 2012, 3% of current undergraduate students are African American, 39% are Asian, 13% are Chicano/Latino, 1% are Native American/Alaskan Native, less than 1% are Pacific Islander, 29% are White, and 5% are Other/Decline to State. Women outnumber men in most race/ethnic groups, with the largest gender gap occurring in Chicano/Latino current undergraduate students.

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On my phone and cant locate it but the latest figures showed asians and whites tied at about 38 or 39 % iirc. Other figures about the same. Not that that is here nor there.

bearblast;842610787 said:

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Cal's is about to become 3.0 for 80% of its roster, anyone know factually those numbers for Stanford?

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GPA can be anything Old Union wants. Admissions to private schools is a Black Box process - they can claim admissions standards, but in the end they can admit whomever they want. In athletics I'd assume the only real guidelines are NCAA eligibility- the same rules UNLV, Alabama, North Texas and all the rest have to follow.

Completely agree that we should stop comparing what we do, and who we recruit, to Stanford. We never compete with their football recruits, and those before have mentioned why. I understand the sports rivalry, but how many of you would not say "go ahead" to your kid if he or she was accepted to Cal and Stanford, and chose the Furd?? Cal has its own incredible traditions and heritage, and we simply need to paint a clearer picture of how it fits in on the football field. In some other Cal sports, it has become clearer and we do compete with Stanford for kids in soccer, water polo, swimming, tennis, etc.

72CalBear;842612740 said:

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Completely agree that we should stop comparing what we do, and who we recruit, to Stanford. We never compete with their football recruits, and those before have mentioned why. I understand the sports rivalry, but how many of you would not say "go ahead" to your kid if he or she was accepted to Cal and Stanford, and chose the Furd?? Cal has its own incredible traditions and heritage, and we simply need to paint a clearer picture of how it fits in on the football field. In some other Cal sports, it has become clearer and we do compete with Stanford for kids in soccer, water polo, swimming, tennis, etc.

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There are countless examples of furd grabbing recruits that seriously considered Cal. After Toshgate, furd was the prime beneficiary.

Could you name me one Bear football recruit and/or verbal commit who chose Stanfurd recently? Then I'll shut up.

72CalBear;842613316 said:

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Could you name me one Bear football recruit and/or verbal commit who chose Stanfurd recently? Then I'll shut up.

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Hofpauer (sp?)

GB54;842610842 said:

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San Jose State's average admit has a 3.4

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Yea and I'm worth billions

72CalBear;842613316 said:

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Could you name me one Bear football recruit and/or verbal commit who chose Stanfurd recently? Then I'll shut up.

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Both Frank Buncom and Quenton Meeks (4 star DBs)

There were even threads on this board regarding Meeks and some thought he was committing to us.

Another guy was Trent Irwin WR
Trent is a five star according to some but he is a solid 4 star.

None were committed to Cal but we were finalists for all 3 just last year and I think Meeks had us in his top 3.

So now you can shut up.

Edit: Cameron Scarlett was yet another, but less so.