MoragaBear;842619275 said:
It was rumored that Benedict Cumberbatch would play Kylo Ren. He would've been perfect bringing the edge that he brought his Khan character in Star Trek to the role.
Vandalus;842619236 said:
As long as this doesn't turn into another pray thread, I'm good.
Strykur;842619299 said:
How the hell would that have worked, he would have been kind of old for Kylo Ren. But the character was lacking, severely.
GivemTheAxe;842619280 said:
But who is Goff among the cast?
MoragaBear;842619329 said:
She's had a rough life. I hope this movie will prove to be somewhat of a rebirth for her.
MoragaBear;842619317 said:
Harrison Ford's 73 and Benedict Cumberbatch is 39. Having a son at 34 isn't exactly implausible. Adam Driver's only 7 years younger. Carrie Fisher's younger than Harrison Ford but she doesn't exactly come off that way in the film.
MoragaBear;842619346 said:
Did they make reference to how many years had passed since the rebellion succeeded? Looking at the age difference in the three returning central characters, the impression was that it was supposed to be a long time span.
MoragaBear;842619275 said:
I highly enjoyed the movie and didn't mind the borrowed elements. Also thought the dialog was far superior and less cheesy than any of the previous six installments. Loved seeing the old characters return. Carrie Fisher sure sounded like an old grandma, though.
My main issues were with Kylo Ren being too unimposing without the mask and rather on the emo side and General Hux coming across as fairly whimpy, as well, even with all the Hitleresque screaming toward the end. Both characters needed more menace to them, IMO.
It was rumored that Benedict Cumberbatch would play Kylo Ren. He would've been perfect bringing the edge that he brought his Khan character in Star Trek to the role.
Vandalus;842619358 said:
I think she hit the sauce pretty hard for a number of years. I also noticed her voice and am guessing that played a roll. I did see an interview with her a week back or so and she's hilarious.
MoragaBear;842619346 said:
Did they make reference to how many years had passed since the rebellion succeeded? Looking at the age difference in the three returning central characters, the impression was that it was supposed to be a long time span.
sbmhsu;842619369 said:
It is supposed to be roughly 30 years after ROTJ
MoragaBear;842619379 said:
It was 32 years in real life. I'd think any character his his 30's could've realistically been their son, though I don't think it would take someone in their 30's to pull off a more menacing version of Ren. Just seemed too emo to me.
NYCGOBEARS;842619348 said:
I read somewhere that it was thirty years.
NYCGOBEARS;842619382 said:
Adam Driver is scarier in "Girls."
Vandalus;842619392 said:
I, and many others in the theater, let out a laugh when he took his mask off.
blungld;842618990 said:
SPOLIERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's great that so many fans are happy. I thought it was meh. I thought they forsake good story for trying to string together cameos by the old guard and introducing the new crew. I get why they thought they had to do this, but I think that all could have been integrated into something with a much more driving story.
Really, we have to destroy ANOTHER Death Star? I thought at the very least we would be facing another mechanism of destruction. There was so much re-iteration structurally of other Star Wars movies it was like a re-make. I wanted to see the same characters, seem visual elements, but with a JJ twist. There was no "mystery box" like LOST and Super 8 and other Abrams projects that create drama and tension. The big "spoilers" in this film were pretty tame and I saw them coming a mile away.
The story just sort of preceded A to B to C in s thing of coincidence, characters meeting each other conveniently. In an entire Universe the missing thing you need is always right next door. No, mystery or investigation. Just too much coincidence and easy story-telling.
More than anything, I wasn't buying the back story. We are within the lifetimes of Luke et al and yet from the time of their last destruction of the Empire they have become myths and evil has risen this far. That just makes no sense. Han, Luke, and Leah would all hold huge political power and be mega celebrities, there fading into lore (Solo even becoming a scalawag again) just doesn't compute. His son going to the dark side when he would have been surrounded by good people and good work? I'm not buying that either. It's a forced Oedipal story line to recapitulate Luke/Darth--but it is inorganic.
Almost everyone has the issue with Rey's immediate Jedi powers vs Luke having to train with Yoda for a long time just to move a rock. Kylo Ren just wasn't that scary, nor was his conflict believable. We didn't know enough about him to really care about his inner demons (theses stakes felt flat) And his ass almost getting kicked by a stormtrooper reject (Finn--and I hated seeing a non Jedi wielding a lightsaber) didn't make sense. Why did they install Voldemort as the new bad guy? And why does domination of the galaxy always come down to a few people just playing out their interpersonal Freudian dysfunction...I mean really there is massive battle where civilization is at stake, but for some reason the most important thing is whether Ren or some random desert girl when in a sword fight in the woods. That just relies too much on us "knowing" how Star Wars works rather than any story-driven reason.
I agree that the next two will be better, but this was only a degree better than the 1-3 episodes, not close to 4-6.
blungld;842618990 said:
SPOLIERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's great that so many fans are happy. I thought it was meh. I thought they forsake good story for trying to string together cameos by the old guard and introducing the new crew. I get why they thought they had to do this, but I think that all could have been integrated into something with a much more driving story.
Really, we have to destroy ANOTHER Death Star? I thought at the very least we would be facing another mechanism of destruction. There was so much re-iteration structurally of other Star Wars movies it was like a re-make. I wanted to see the same characters, seem visual elements, but with a JJ twist. There was no "mystery box" like LOST and Super 8 and other Abrams projects that create drama and tension. The big "spoilers" in this film were pretty tame and I saw them coming a mile away.
The story just sort of preceded A to B to C in s thing of coincidence, characters meeting each other conveniently. In an entire Universe the missing thing you need is always right next door. No, mystery or investigation. Just too much coincidence and easy story-telling.
More than anything, I wasn't buying the back story. We are within the lifetimes of Luke et al and yet from the time of their last destruction of the Empire they have become myths and evil has risen this far. That just makes no sense. Han, Luke, and Leah would all hold huge political power and be mega celebrities, there fading into lore (Solo even becoming a scalawag again) just doesn't compute. His son going to the dark side when he would have been surrounded by good people and good work? I'm not buying that either. It's a forced Oedipal story line to recapitulate Luke/Darth--but it is inorganic.
Almost everyone has the issue with Rey's immediate Jedi powers vs Luke having to train with Yoda for a long time just to move a rock. Kylo Ren just wasn't that scary, nor was his conflict believable. We didn't know enough about him to really care about his inner demons (theses stakes felt flat) And his ass almost getting kicked by a stormtrooper reject (Finn--and I hated seeing a non Jedi wielding a lightsaber) didn't make sense. Why did they install Voldemort as the new bad guy? And why does domination of the galaxy always come down to a few people just playing out their interpersonal Freudian dysfunction...I mean really there is massive battle where civilization is at stake, but for some reason the most important thing is whether Ren or some random desert girl when in a sword fight in the woods. That just relies too much on us "knowing" how Star Wars works rather than any story-driven reason.
I agree that the next two will be better, but this was only a degree better than the 1-3 episodes, not close to 4-6.
Bear_Territory;842619410 said:
I agree, I actually was sort of bored once I realized we were getting ANOTHER death star fight. Though its likely that Voldemort character is going to end up being Darth Plagious...the dude who trained Darth Sideous, who was mentioned briefly in episode 3.
NYCGOBEARS;842619360 said:
She hit the sauce and took all kinds of meds + Coke for a long time. She is also bipolar, I think. I used to know her. I got some stories....
Bear_Territory;842619410 said:
I agree, I actually was sort of bored once I realized we were getting ANOTHER death star fight. Though its likely that Voldemort character is going to end up being Darth Plagious...the dude who trained Darth Sideous, who was mentioned briefly in episode 3.
ducky23;842619415 said:
I concede it's well made I suppose and it's fun seeing the millennium falcon and all that. But once that wears off, what is there? It's kinda emotionless. There's no real drama or tension. It's not like they aren't going to blow up the Death Star.....again. It's not scary. There's no new story to really get involved in. So what is it?
Strykur;842619335 said:
I am not sure given the timeline of the sequel that it would have made sense that is.
txwharfrat;842619441 said:
If Adam Driver is 27 and the film supposedly takes place 30 years after Jedi - where is the issue?
txwharfrat;842619441 said:
If Adam Driver is 27 and the film supposedly takes place 30 years after Jedi - where is the issue?
philly1121;842619482 said:
Abrams appears to still be in reboot mode from the Star Trek films.
OzoneTheCat;842619535 said:
Overall, it was a great introduction to the next chapters of the Star Wars series. Well done!
