heartofthebear;842621243 said:

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Incidently, Goff's draft status will change quite a bit between now and draft day.
It will change after the bowl season.
It will change again as free agent signings occur, especially those involving QBs and teams with top draft picks.
It will change as the NFL season comes to a close and the final draft order is established.
It will change during the NFL combine and at other NFL workouts.
It will change again as more free agent signings occur.
Then it will change on draft day as trades occur on day 1.

Given all of that, Goff could go anywhere from #1 overall to #60 overall.
I doubt he goes lower than early in the second round, but you never know.

So it seems strange to speculate about the 49ers and Goff at this point.
But if Goff goes to the Browns and Manziel becomes available, he could be a good option for the 49ers.
He can run and he will be a media distraction from the trainwreck that is the 49ers currently. He might even sell tickets and fill seats.

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Not really man

He started the season #1 qb and ended in the same place

Nothing will happen to change that beforw draft day

heartofthebear;842621243 said:

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But if Goff goes to the Browns and Manziel becomes available, he could be a good option for the 49ers.
He can run and he will be a media distraction from the trainwreck that is the 49ers currently. He might even sell tickets and fill seats.

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The last thing the 49ers need is a self-absorbed, hard drinking, partying QB who is more interested in self-promotion and having fun than he is in being a team player, a serious student of the game, and winning football games.

Cal_Fan2;842621277 said:

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Still a myth. Jeremy Newberry, Andre Carter. Iheanyi Uwaezuoke, Doub Brien, Steve Hendrickson, Steve Rivera, etc. beg to differ. Something not brought up is that while the Niners passed on Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round, so did a lot of teams including the Raiders I think at the 23rd spot.

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Rivera is a very, vey bad example. never had an opportunity there.

One of the best arguments for staying at Cal. Next year's Bear team will be a lot more fun to play for than the niners.

His dad is going to have a huge say and I have a feeling that being able to say your son is a first round draft pick of the niners is like a dream for the dad as much as jared

Davidson;842621381 said:

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Not really man

He started the season #1 qb and ended in the same place

Nothing will happen to change that beforw draft day

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Performance at the combine always has an effect on the player rankings and if the Browns and the 49ers each pick up a QB in free agencies, his projection will change.

oskimama;842621391 said:

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The last thing the 49ers need is a self-absorbed, hard drinking, partying QB who is more interested in self-promotion and having fun than he is in being a team player, a serious student of the game, and winning football games.

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Actually that is exactly what they need.
It will distract from the self absorbed organization that is more interested in making money than serving their loyal fans.

kelly09;842621438 said:

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Rivera is a very, vey bad example. never had an opportunity there.

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Considering that this list of Cal players drafted by the 9ers goes back 40 years, it is remarkably short, and if anything its size actually supports ddc's point that the 9ers have had a long history of overlooking Cal talent. I would guess that the Furd to 9ers list would be at least twice as long...

heartofthebear;842621476 said:

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Actually that is exactly what they need.
It will distract from the self absorbed organization that is more interested in making money than serving their loyal fans.

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You must be joking.

Cal88;842621600 said:

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Considering that this list of Cal players drafted by the 9ers goes back 40 years, it is remarkably short, and if anything its size actually supports ddc's point that the 9ers have had a long history of overlooking Cal talent. I would guess that the Furd to 9ers list would be at least twice as long...

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I went back to 1960 and I counted 7 players from Cal, and 9 players from Furd. I might have missed one or so but that is not that much of a difference over 55 years.....let me know if you get a different count as my tired eyes were starting to glaze over looking down the page....:gobears:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/draft.htm

The disparity is more telling when you consider that the 9ers haven't drafted any Cal players since the Tedford era, through which Cal was one of the leading NFL feeder schools. The 1990s didn't have a complete drought in 49er Cal drafts probably because of the link between Mooch, Holmoe and the 9ers. Furd has had several players drafted by the 9ers during the JT era and none for Cal despite the fact that we had a significantly deeper pro contingent.

Does anybody realize that the 49ers OC is the father of furd's projected QB for 2016? So, no I don't think Goff is going to SF

heartofthebear;842621654 said:

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Does anybody realize that the 49ers OC is the father of furd's projected QB for 2016? So, no I don't think Goff is going to SF

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You mean the OC whose unit has looked terrible all year and is likely going to get canned after the season? That said, I really hope Goff doesn't get sentenced to FB purgatory in Santa Clara.

philbert;842621661 said:

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You mean the OC whose unit has looked terrible all year and is likely going to get canned after the season? That said, I really hope Goff doesn't get sentenced to FB purgatory in Santa Clara.

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That's a good point, I didn't think of that.

MilleniaBear;842621280 said:

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Nope. JG is going to be drafted by Jerry jones to learn from Romo. Perfect opportunity to be a one year backup for an injury prone QB...with Dez and that O-line!

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Gosh, I hope not. If he becomes the starter I would have to start rooting for the Cowboys, one of two NFL teams I love to hate.

I just hope Goff goes to a good organization.
So many 1st round QBs have never recovered from being drafted by Cleveland and the 49ers just don't have the protection on the OL right now.

I'd be OK with just about anyone else.
Who else could use a QB?

Maybe the Saints would like to start grooming the follow up to the Brees era.
Don't they draft pretty early?

So has Goff pretty much made his decision to leave? There are some indications that Lawler will stay, that's one plus in Jared's "stay" column...

heartofthebear;842621932 said:

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I just hope Goff goes to a good organization.
So many 1st round QBs have never recovered from being drafted by Cleveland and the 49ers just don't have the protection on the OL right now.

I'd be OK with just about anyone else.
Who else could use a QB?

Maybe the Saints would like to start grooming the follow up to the Brees era.
Don't they draft pretty early?

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I think the Texans would be a good landing place, but they're dropping down in the draft lately.

If Goff stinks it up in bowl game enough to drop out of the first round, think he'll stay?

Goff is coming back

Goff will return.

Tea leaves, magic 8 ball, or Boston Market?

If Cleveland is so stupid as to pass on Goff, then yes, a lock. Otherwise he'll be in Cleveland. But a lot can happen between now and draft day.

There is a serious disconnect between some of our fans and the actual perception of Goff outside the program. JG isn't even one of the three O'Brien Award finalists this year. The national hype for Goff died out after the Utah game.

I think he'd go no higher than the bottom of the first round at this point, or possibly lower. Chances are Boykin will be picked ahead of Goff. More often than not, NFL management will not go against the grain and stick their neck out on seemingly controversial picks, especially for BDW franchises like Cleveland, who often look to generate excitement with their top pick instead of building their long-term prospects. One of the main reasons they are near the bottom is that their personnel decisions were subpar.

There is a good argument for Goff to return in order to bolster his national reputation and draft position, especially since Lawler would also return. Pick up another 10-15lb of muscle and make a serious bid at All-American, become a household name and he'd be a top draft pick, with a much bigger contract than what he'd be getting on this coming draft.

Cal88;842622339 said:

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There is a serious disconnect between some of our fans and the actual perception of Goff outside the program. JG isn't even one of the three O'Brien Award finalists this year. The national hype for Goff died out after the Utah game.

I think he'd go no higher than the bottom of the first round at this point, or possibly lower. Chances are Boykin will be picked ahead of Goff. More often than not, NFL management will not go against the grain and stick their neck out on seemingly controversial picks, especially for BDW franchises like Cleveland, who often look to generate excitement with their top pick instead of building their long-term prospects. One of the main reasons they are near the bottom is that their personnel decisions were subpar.

There is a good argument for Goff to return in order to bolster his national reputation and draft position, especially since Lawler would also return. Pick up another 10-15lb of muscle and make a serious bid at All-American, become a household name and he'd be a top draft pick, with a much bigger contract than what he'd be getting on this coming draft.

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What do you base this on? Virtually every single mock draft for months has had Goff in the top 10. I understand that these are not written by NFL GM's, but GM's are not in the habit of publishing their opinions on players. By "the actual perception of Goff outside the program" do you mean your own opinion?

Cal88;842622339 said:

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There is a serious disconnect between some of our fans and the actual perception of Goff outside the program. JG isn't even one of the three O'Brien Award finalists this year. The national hype for Goff died out after the Utah game.

I think he'd go no higher than the bottom of the first round at this point, or possibly lower. Chances are Boykin will be picked ahead of Goff. More often than not, NFL management will not go against the grain and stick their neck out on seemingly controversial picks, especially for BDW franchises like Cleveland, who often look to generate excitement with their top pick instead of building their long-term prospects. One of the main reasons they are near the bottom is that their personnel decisions were subpar.

There is a good argument for Goff to return in order to bolster his national reputation and draft position, especially since Lawler would also return. Pick up another 10-15lb of muscle and make a serious bid at All-American, become a household name and he'd be a top draft pick, with a much bigger contract than what he'd be getting on this coming draft.

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Your flat out wrong

Pretty sure Goff will be back at Cal for his final year

BunzOfAnarchy;842622345 said:

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What do you base this on? Virtually every single mock draft for months has had Goff in the top 10. I understand that these are not written by NFL GM's, but GM's are not in the habit of publishing their opinions on players. By "the actual perception of Goff outside the program" do you mean your own opinion?

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Memphis QB Lynch has moved ahead of Goff as the top QB draft prospect. From the perspective of many NFL analysts and scouts he has two attributes that Goff lacks: better physical package and leading his team to wins/clutch performance. Also, other QBs like MSU's Cook and TCU's Hoyton have bigger national profiles, and that can factor in more than it should in the choices of poorly-run franchises. Here's a rundown:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000571298/article/exscout-4-nfl-evaluators-say-paxton-lynch-is-top-qb-prospect

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000569306/article/exscout-rips-characterization-of-jared-goff-as-top-college-qb

One big problem going into the draft for Goff is that most pro scouts jumped in to evaluate him just as he was getting a lot of national attention in the middle of the season at the start of the slump, wher he did not look very good.

I do think he's the best prospect IMO, but that is no longer the opinion of most NFL scouts and analysts.

Cal88;842622375 said:

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Memphis QB Lynch has moved ahead of Goff as the top QB draft prospect. From the perspective of many NFL analysts and scouts he has two attributes that Goff lacks: better physical package and leading his team to wins/clutch performance. Also, other QBs like MSU's Cook and TCU's Hoyton have bigger national profiles, and that can factor in more than it should in the choices of poorly-run franchises. Here's a rundown:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000571298/article/exscout-4-nfl-evaluators-say-paxton-lynch-is-top-qb-prospect

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000569306/article/exscout-rips-characterization-of-jared-goff-as-top-college-qb

One big problem going into the draft for Goff is that most pro scouts jumped in to evaluate him just as he was getting a lot of national attention in the middle of the season at the start of the slump, wher he did not look very good.

I do think he's the best prospect IMO, but that is no longer the opinion of most NFL scouts and analysts.

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Both of those articles are based on the opinions/hearsay of one guy, Greg Gabriel. They are also both about two months old. Here's an article from today that says he goes top 5: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611060/article/exscout-goff-a-topfive-pick-paxton-lynch-the-better-prospect. As I mentioned, virtually every mock has him top 10. Here's Mel Kiper on him:

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Jared Goff, Cal: A known commodity, the tall, strong-armed talent has been a starter since his freshman season. Uneven play of late is a reminder this isn't a plug-and-play rookie in 2016.
Current projection: Top 10

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And here's Todd McShay:

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5. San Francisco 49ers

Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears*

This is assuming the 49ers move on from Colin Kaepernick in the offseason. I think Goff would benefit from returning to school for his senior season to get bigger and stronger, but I get the sense that's not going to happen. He got into some bad habits with his mechanics behind an O-line that did not protect well, but when his feet are right, he can be deadly accurate. With a high football IQ and great work ethic, I have faith he will put in the time to get better.

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Cal88;842622375 said:

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Memphis QB Lynch has moved ahead of Goff as the top QB draft prospect. From the perspective of many NFL analysts and scouts he has two attributes that Goff lacks: better physical package and leading his team to wins/clutch performance. Also, other QBs like MSU's Cook and TCU's Hoyton have bigger national profiles, and that can factor in more than it should in the choices of poorly-run franchises. Here's a rundown:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000571298/article/exscout-4-nfl-evaluators-say-paxton-lynch-is-top-qb-prospect

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000569306/article/exscout-rips-characterization-of-jared-goff-as-top-college-qb

One big problem going into the draft for Goff is that most pro scouts jumped in to evaluate him just as he was getting a lot of national attention in the middle of the season at the start of the slump, wher he did not look very good.

I do think he's the best prospect IMO, but that is no longer the opinion of most NFL scouts and analysts.

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Both of those links reference the same ex-GM, Gabe Gabriel, so I don't think that one man's opinion constitutes "the actual perception of Goff outside the program". Gabriel's comments have already been discussed here.

http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?96729-Ex-scout-rips-characterization-of-Jared-Goff-as-top-college-QB&highlight=greg+gabriel

As mentioned by others, most mock drafts has Goff going in the top ten.

It would be dumb for the Niners to spend a top 5 pick on a project QB. But they are dumb, so they may do it.