Cal has always been dedicated to landing California kids first in recruiting, so I was shocked to see so many Cal commits from outside the state. I think this is a good sign for Cal recruiting.

With our new academic requirements, it's a necessity.

I have a sense that there's actually a plan on this. My feeling is that the staff continues to bring in a higher rate of out of state players until such time that both fantastic winning and academic programs are in place. Then they begin a transition of actually going after and [U]landing[/U] highly rated California recruits that are currently lost to the UCLA and USC's of the conference. The end result to be a mix of national and local highly desired recruits.

It is also true that many on this staff have recruiting roots elsewhere. Now that SD has his extension IMO more California players will be open to Cal. Some of the places Cal is getting players from have excellent HS football. Texas and much of the southeast play excellent football. The 2 kids from Washington are really good IMO (hope they hold on to Weaver). Less concerned about where the come from than how they play.

I still prefer a HC and staff with strong ties to California. California has the most NFL talent and not being able to leverage that is lame, especially if the school is the UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA. I buy some of the academics issues/excuses but only some. For christ sake...it's like buying produce from bum-f*ck flyover state, it makes sense sometimes but generally California has better talent. Just look at the QBs in the NFL: quite a few from California.

NYCGOBEARS;842639750 said:

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With our new academic requirements, it's a necessity.

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That is it that is all

We have to get right fit kids .

And Jacob peeler selling Cal like his life depends on it

A young hustler

Dykes & Co. seem to be pursuing a national recruiting strategy and have been over the past couple recruiting cycles (and going forward as well). Seems to be following the 'Furd recruiting model to some extent. It's nice to see that Cal is a national recruiting brand instead of largely regional, and hope the trend continues.

Go Bears!

beelzebear;842639774 said:

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I still prefer a HC and staff with strong ties to California. California has the most NFL talent and not being able to leverage that is lame, especially if the school is the UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA. I buy some of the academics issues/excuses but only some. For christ sake...it's like buying produce from bum-f*ck flyover state, it makes sense sometimes but generally California has better talent. Just look at the QBs in the NFL: quite a few from California.

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I know, right?
I mean, do they even know what football is over in bum-f*ck flyover Texas?
Stupid coaches...

We aren't going to get the top California players and havent for some time. Smart to go elsewhere,especially Texas.

Uthaithani;842639776 said:

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Dykes & Co. seem to be pursuing a national recruiting strategy and have been over the past couple recruiting cycles (and going forward as well). Seems to be following the 'Furd recruiting model to some extent. It's nice to see that Cal is a national recruiting brand instead of largely regional, and hope the trend continues.

Go Bears!

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Yes yes and yes now gotta show and prove we can reload this team

Uthaithani;842639777 said:

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I know, right?
I mean, do they even know what football is over in bum-f*ck flyover Texas?
Stupid coaches...

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Texass has football players and it's a religion down there..but yeah, it's fly over to me. The simple fact however is California has more, puts more players in the NFL and not cashing in on that in your own backyard is silly.

We are CALIFORNIA! [SIZE=1](not Texass)[/SIZE]

I don't care where they come from as long as they're good students and represent the university well. Most of all just win, baby.

oskidunker;842639779 said:

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We aren't going to get the top California players and havent for some time. Smart to go elsewhere,especially Texas.

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Agreed. For those of you who are from California, you have no idea the mystique that the state of California has for young men in other states. I grew up in New York so I know of what I speak. It's a great recruiting tool for Dykes and company. Most 17 year olds east of the Mississippi have no idea where Berkeley is and don't really care. All they know is that it's in California and California to them is what they've seen on TV and movies. If the kids are already in California there is no extra panache and now you're competing against the other California Pac schools. Recruiting out of state makes a lot of sense.

Don't care where they come from as long as they FIGHT FOR CALIFORNIA!

Based on BI's own recruiting page info, 60 out of 156 offers this year are within California. Per MB 12 of those have committed so where did the rest decide to go and why? We can't say that the ones offered would not have cut it academically because we're not recruiting "at risk" players to my understanding. Again, I think that with continued program success this number steadily climbs in coming years.

Win and they will come. In the mean time it's a good strategy by southern coaches with ties to football rich areas.

Next we need to work on recruiting southern cheerleaders.

From a monetary point of view, coming from out of state must seem like a better value. $12,240 is instate tuition and out of state tuition is $24,708. And cost of living is covered which probably seems ridiculous compared to 99% of the rest of the football colleges

GB54;842639797 said:

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Next we need to work on recruiting southern cheerleaders.

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Now we're talkin'.

beelzebear;842639785 said:

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Texass has football players and it's a religion down there..but yeah, it's fly over to me. The simple fact however is California has more, puts more players in the NFL and not cashing in on that in your own backyard is silly.

We are CALIFORNIA! [SIZE=1](not Texass)[/SIZE]

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Yeah recruit in California! How come Dykes who makes 2.5+ million dollars never thought of that!?!?

Everyone recruits in California. Every Pac 12 school gets at least around a third of their class from California. Then you have other national programs that swoop in and go after the blue chip talent... Every year Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc.. takes a few. We need to broaden the net, because A. our academic requirements and B. we can't compete with USC and UCLA right now for the most highly decorated recruits.

We've got plenty of foreign students. What's wrong with a few exceptional out of state athletes?

GB54;842639797 said:

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Win and they will come. In the mean time it's a good strategy by southern coaches with ties to football rich areas.

Next we need to work on recruiting southern cheerleaders.

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I thought they were Hospitality Hosts

Bearsupporter;842639804 said:

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I thought they were Hospitality Hosts

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Only in the South. We'll call them Morale Ambassadors.

beelzebear;842639774 said:

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... I buy some of the academics issues/excuses but only some. ....

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Issues, yes, they were real ... Sanctions averted, rising to the top.
"Excuses"? You apparently didn't understand why JT was fired and still don't get it.

Recruiting, finding the gems across the country ... great strategy that's working.

:gobears:

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Yeah recruit in California! How come Dykes who makes 2.5+ million dollars never thought of that!?!?

Everyone recruits in California. Every Pac 12 school gets at least around a third of their class from California. Then you have other national programs that swoop in and go after the blue chip talent... Every year Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc.. takes a few. We need to broaden the net, because A. our academic requirements and B. we can't compete with USC and UCLA right now for the most highly decorated recruits.

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Here's my argument on why you MUST recruit in YOUR OWN state, especially if it's CALIFORNIA: name the all time QB greats at Cal, then look where they came from.

Any from out of state? Name them because I don't recall. Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Roth, Mike Palowski, Jared Goff...they're all from California. Name one good QB at Cal from out of state? To put it further, look at the other top QBs in the NFL. Love or hate Brady, he's local to Cal and if fact his old man wanted him to go to Cal but Cal didn't recruit him..yeah sure hindsight is 20/20 but you go where the talent is. And the Pac12 is a QB and passing league and has been forever.

I don't disagree you have to recruit nationally if you want to be good and get a crack at better academics but you still must recruit in California if in fact you literally are CALIFORNIA. Getting slammed in your own state is baloney.

It is a rather large state. I don't buy the argument that academics force national recruiting. It certainly could make it easier but more than anything it's just a solid way to mask missing on so many in state kids that would be good fits.

NYCGOBEARS;842639750 said:

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With our new academic requirements, it's a necessity.

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+1

Of the top 100 recruits in California, only about 30 are even recruitable under our new academic standards.

hanky1;842639838 said:

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+1

Of the top 100 recruits in California, only about 30 are even recruitable under our new academic standards.

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#calgang16 -half inside, half outside ... all academically vetted.
Cal is suddenly an option for out of state athletes who are students who want the best education and play Pac12 football.

NYCGOBEARS;842639750 said:

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With our new academic requirements, it's a necessity.

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100% correct. We are competing for 30 California kids with too many more powerful programs. Sonny's change in our strategy is another excellent move he has made while raising academic and athletic standards. And it puts us in position to compete in a few years for the very top kids.

SonOfCalVa;842639809 said:

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Issues, yes, they were real ... Sanctions averted, rising to the top.
"Excuses"? You apparently didn't understand why JT was fired and still don't get it.

Recruiting, finding the gems across the country ... great strategy that's working.

:gobears:

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Do we have to rehash this? Tedford asked Barbour for increased academic support and was rejected. If Tedford got that support, this might have still happened but there's a chance it wouldn't have either. The rebound was already happening when SD got here.

I agree, Cal has to recruit nationally...but really should concentrate on California, where most NFLers come from. Also, name ANY great Cal QB, and tell me they came from out of state?

beelzebear;842639814 said:

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Name one good QB at Cal from out of state?

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The only one I could think of is Reggie Robertson, who is from Arizona. But even he wasn't a starter for most of his career. Rather, he was an outstanding backup for Aaron Rodgers most of the time.

But Reggie did win us that Cal vs. USC 3OT game in 2003.

beelzebear;842639912 said:

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I agree, Cal has to recruit nationally...but really should concentrate on California, where most NFLers come from. Also, name ANY great Cal QB, and tell me they came from out of state?

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....and how many Rose Bowl appearances has that gotten us in the last 50+ years? :/

Zerk;842639972 said:

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....and how many Rose Bowl appearances has that gotten us in the last 50+ years? :/

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Straw man crap.

Do you really think out-of-staters are going to get Cal to the RB? There's more than enough talent in California...and that's why all the elite programs and UCLA and U$C always recruit well in California.

Seriously if you out-of-state advocates think Cal could get to the RB with out-of-state talent, then obvious Cal should put 100% of the effort there.

On that logic, SD should have dispatched Goff and go with a Texass QB. That's makes as much sense as bringing up the RB in this argument.

Again, I agree Cal should recruit out of state but it should concentrate on in-state players. Tedford did well the first half of his stay at Cal...most of the stars were California guys. Do you need a list?

I applaud the out-of-state recruiting. With the tighter academic requirements Cal needs to expand the pool, and as a previous poster pointed out California has a mystique for many players from other states. Yeah, UCLA and USC get the good California kids, but USC has always recruited nationally and many of their top players from the past have been from out-of-state. Yes, California has many good prospects, but Texas has more and the South in general has a ton. Do the top local kids come to Cal? One of the best linemen in the state, an absolute beast from Folsom, is going to Alabama. And his coach was Troy Taylor, from Cal. The best running back in the nation next year, from Antioch, is going to Alabama. Maybe he couldn't qualify at Cal, but if he could, would he come here? Cal needs to build the program, build the allure. If it takes kids from out of state, kids who are incredibly excited about coming to Berkeley, then so be it.