I've been watching "Survivor's Remorse" on Starz. I highly recommend it. It's kinda like an African American Entourage. Very funny. It's the story of a young NBA star and his immediate family who are all dealing with his wealth and the obligations and choices that come with it. LeBron James is a producer. Mike Epps is brilliant in it.

GB54;842643694 said:

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Kevin Spacey, but who is a good Bill..Jeff Bridges?

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Tommy Lee Jones? ...he's got the accent down. Billy Bob Thornton is also a possibility but may be too menacing. Kevin Spacey is absolutely the right call on Starr.

Number 031343;842643688 said:

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That ought to be interesting. Who will play hyper the sanctimonious Kevin Starr, the Pope of Pepperdine?

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Ken Starr is a champion for women...
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/baylor-president-starr-end-stonewalling-on-rapes-for-sake-of-victims-and-your-school.html/


By the way, Kevin Starr is a different person...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Starr

82gradDLSdad;842643519 said:

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Apparently they had a few on the jury.

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No. They knew he was guilty. They engaged in jury nullification. Bill Hodgman was a year ahead of me in law school. He played rugby. He is not a wimp like the ginger actor who plays him. I'm watching it now and I like it. FX makes good product.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3430965/One-compelling-TV-dramas-recent-memory-People-V-OJ-Simpson-earns-critical-raves-writing-directing-cast-actors.html

The book that was based on was OJ Is Innocent and I Can Prove It by William Dear - an interesting read by a private investigator from Texas.

bar20;842643472 said:

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The day before this aired there was a two hour show about the civil trial and they really went into OJ's ten days of his deposition and how they caught him in lie after lie. Also the fact that he got the worst score you can get on a polygraph test. Anyone who still doesn't think he did the double murders is a moron.

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Marcia Clark and her gang of "detectives" created more than reasonable doubt [U]based on the evidence[/U].
- No blood in photos, then blood after lead detective transported blood to scene instead of lab
- right-wing whacko detective who "found" the glove takes the 5th
- LA PD and prosecutors were clowns
- and then there was Ito, the judge :p

eh...nvm.

Shoreline;842642668 said:

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Hardly. I just finished watching 10 hours of "Making a Murderer"....complex and intelligent. But, 10-parts on OJ...to each their own.

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You could get a much more complete understanding of the case covered in "Making a Murderer" by hitting Google up for a couple of hours. Instead you spent 10 hours watching that and then follow it up by slinging arrows loaded with incomplete sentences at others on this board? Stop wasting your time. That's just sad. Oh well. To each their own...

I was in Baltimore having lunch at a restaurant on the harbor when I noticed people gathering in the bar to watch the TV. We walked over and watched the verdict come in live. About 20 minutes later we walked outside and saw about 30 African Americans literally dancing in the middle of the street together. There were a ton of complexities and story lines in the case--racial justice, forensics, law, celebrity, racist cops, bungling cops, lying cops. In my mind everyone pretty much got what they deserved except Nichole and Ron (OJ got what he deserved by later karmatic events). A well done retrospective seems well worthwhile to me.

okaydo;842643716 said:

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Ken Starr is a champion for women...
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/baylor-president-starr-end-stonewalling-on-rapes-for-sake-of-victims-and-your-school.html/


By the way, Kevin Starr is a different person...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Starr

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Thank you for that correction. my confusion of the two. Thanks also for that interesting note on Ken Starr. I thought his pursuit of Bill Clinton was absolute overkill, now it appears he has a good side.

Number 031343;842644070 said:

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Thank you for that correction. my confusion of the two. Thanks also for that interesting note on Ken Starr. I thought his pursuit of Bill Clinton was absolute overkill, now it appears he has a good side.

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Did you click on that link?

okaydo;842644130 said:

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Did you click on that link?

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I did, and saw the headline and incorrectly assumed that Starr had called for an end to stonewalling on the rape allegations. I should have read the complete story. My bad.

I was doing jury duty before the trial at Van Nuys courthouse (yes, I spent a week there), and the first day they handed out a huge questionnaire. The clerk said they were looking for a bigger jury selection pool for the OJ trial, and wanted volunteers who would be willing to drive downtown for the trial. Ugh, that commute would be brutal for me, as we lived in the west end of the San Fernando Valley at the time. They tried to sweeten the pot by saying potential jurors not chosen for the OJ trial would be put into the pool for the Heidi Fleiss trial. That was a tempting offer, but I figured that this would go on for 6 months or more, and my employer would only pay for up to 4 weeks of Jury Duty. So much for a swift trial that the judges used to brief on the "welcome to jurors" pitch the judge gave the first day of jury duty.

Ha Ha!
I just watched the first 2 episodes and I can say that it is worth watching.
The ending of the first episode had me laughing out loud for at least 60 seconds, and I applauded whomever thought that bit up.
OJ slips out the back and on the run, with the music playing, and Gil Garcetti and Marcia Clarke saying "We're going to look like Idiots!" Ha, the bad guy's on the run, play the music... hilarious. well done, the touch of an old western where the flawed and guilty hero, star of the movie, slips out the back while the Sheriff knocks on the front door. Where have I seen this scene before?

I look forward to showing my kids, who were born in the 2000's and only know of this as a story from us old people. There's some good commentary/jokes in there about the racial commentary that the nation endured, too, and that might be instructive for my kids to understand. For instance:
Johnny Cochran speaking on TV about his cases where his clients' only crime is the color of their skin (reality for all the understand), and Chris Darden hanging out with neighbors in his father's black neighborhood:
[INDENT][U]Buddies[/U] on the other side of the fence: "OJ was FRAMED!"
Darden: "Man, I can guarantee you OJ was NOT framed."
[U]Buddies[/U]: "OJ's on the run, can't catch OJ, go OJ, go."
Darden: "You know, Jim Brown was way better!"
[U]Buddies[/U]: "Why you say that?"
Darden:" Jim Brown gave back, he spoke out, he was on action committees and stood up for the black man. OJ never did. You don't see his name on parks or buildings or community centers. Once he made it, he became white."
[U]Buddies[/U]: "Well, he's being chased by a bunch of cops - he's black NOW!"
[/INDENT]
Sorry, I thought that was funny coming from black guys. Even Darden laughed about it with them.

It's good for little white girls who live in a white community to understand how young black men see the world. And combining straight up language (Cochran) with laughter (Buddies over the fence) seems a good way to teach.


.... watching the first two episodes, it seems SO much more clear everything that transpired. Like, I followed it WELL during that time. But, ya know, it's REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED a case AT ALL.
We didn't need all those months with Judge Ito to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

I was pretty squarely in the camp that had no interest in this. I lived it, I know what happened, etc. I gave the show a shot and am really very surprised at how much I enjoyed the first two episodes.

I also had this reaction:

concordtom;842646758 said:

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.... watching the first two episodes, it seems SO much more clear everything that transpired. Like, I followed it WELL during that time. But, ya know, it's REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED a case AT ALL.
We didn't need all those months with Judge Ito to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

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concordtom;842646758 said:

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Ha Ha!
I just watched the first 2 episodes and I can say that it is worth watching.
The ending of the first episode had me laughing out loud for at least 60 seconds, and I applauded whomever thought that bit up.
OJ slips out the back and on the run, with the music playing, and Gil Garcetti and Marcia Clarke saying "We're going to look like Idiots!" Ha, the bad guy's on the run, play the music... hilarious. well done, the touch of an old western where the flawed and guilty hero, star of the movie, slips out the back while the Sheriff knocks on the front door. Where have I seen this scene before?

I look forward to showing my kids, who were born in the 2000's and only know of this as a story from us old people. There's some good commentary/jokes in there about the racial commentary that the nation endured, too, and that might be instructive for my kids to understand. For instance:
Johnny Cochran speaking on TV about his cases where his clients' only crime is the color of their skin (reality for all the understand), and Chris Darden hanging out with neighbors in his father's black neighborhood:
[INDENT][U]Buddies[/U] on the other side of the fence: "OJ was FRAMED!"
Darden: "Man, I can guarantee you OJ was NOT framed."
[U]Buddies[/U]: "OJ's on the run, can't catch OJ, go OJ, go."
Darden: "You know, Jim Brown was way better!"
[U]Buddies[/U]: "Why you say that?"
Darden:" Jim Brown gave back, he spoke out, he was on action committees and stood up for the black man. OJ never did. You don't see his name on parks or buildings or community centers. Once he made it, he became white."
[U]Buddies[/U]: "Well, he's being chased by a bunch of cops - he's black NOW!"
[/INDENT]

Sorry, I thought that was funny coming from black guys. Even Darden laughed about it with them.

It's good for little white girls who live in a white community to understand how young black men see the world. And combining straight up language (Cochran) with laughter (Buddies over the fence) seems a good way to teach.


.... watching the first two episodes, it seems SO much more clear everything that transpired. Like, I followed it WELL during that time. But, ya know, it's REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED a case AT ALL.
We didn't need all those months with Judge Ito to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

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By the way, they filmed in Robert Kardashian's actual house. The new owner likes to rent it out.

Also, they spent more than a year acquiring the necessary permits to shut down the 710 freeway for 2 days.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/09/american-crime-story-oj-simpson-bronco-chase

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/people-v-oj-simpson-bronco-car-chase-episode.html

And Cliven Bundy roams free. White Justice?

bearister;842642670 said:

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Nevada fixed his wagon. Ya think? I will watch it.

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I did too. Seems to me that the story of Hitler dying in the bunker was more wish fulfillment of his enemies not supported by hard facts. NO American verification and the Russian leader, Stalin, didn't believe he was dead in the bunker.

How gullible the American public seems in retrospect. Something happened to Hitler; different than the story released back then. I suppose we couldn't have handled the truth...

dajo9;842642638 said:

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I watched 8 parts of Hunting Hitler (I don't know why) only to find out that. . . Well I didn't really find anything out.

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okaydo;842646764 said:

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By the way, they filmed in Robert Kardashian's actual house. The new owner likes to rent it out.

Also, they spent more than a year acquiring the necessary permits to shut down the 710 freeway for 2 days.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/09/american-crime-story-oj-simpson-bronco-chase

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/people-v-oj-simpson-bronco-car-chase-episode.html

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I was wondering how in the hell they pulled the freeway scenes off. that's crazy.

Also, can we please, for the love of god, stop with the kardashian sister references? It was one thing when OJ's just sleeping in Kimmie's bed, but the who crew chanting Kar-dash-ian! over and over was a little too much for me. Memo to the writers - we get it.

I'm enjoying the show too but there is some tragically bad acting going on...especially by Travolta. He seems to be trying really really hard to sound nothing like Shapiro.

Vandalus;842646800 said:

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I was wondering how in the hell they pulled the freeway scenes off. that's crazy.

Also, can we please, for the love of god, stop with the kardashian sister references? It was one thing when OJ's just sleeping in Kimmie's bed, but the who crew chanting Kar-dash-ian! over and over was a little too much for me. Memo to the writers - we get it.

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Keep in mind that this is from the guy responsible for Glee, for Nip/Tuck for American Horror Story, for Scream Queens, for -- if you remember -- a WB high school series called Popular (I've posted that below).

Camp is what Ryan Murphy does best -- and this whole thing needed a dose of camp*. I agree, the Kardashian thing last night was a little excessive. But I heard, based on what I read, that it's only a small part of the series. I bet we won't see these kids again.

(Murphy usually goes with his gut on most of his TV shows, but for this he ran the scripts through 5 lawyers and consulted with a lot of people to make sure he got the tone right.)

[video=youtube;ymWcU50s1nQ][/video]

Vandalus;842646800 said:

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It was one thing when OJ's just sleeping in Kimmie's bed

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1. That scene in Kim's bedroom did actually happen.

Vandalus;842646800 said:

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chanting Kar-dash-ian! over and over was a little too much for me. Memo to the writers - we get it.

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2. I actually loved that scene because it contrasted the frustration of Robert Kardashian, who was basically an unknown figure, having to address the LA media who did not know who he was, while having to use them to broadcast a plea to OJ to return home safely, while his daughters are portrayed as having childish enjoyment over the whole spectacle. That actually did not happen however: http://www.eonline.com/news/738740/the-kardashian-kids-didn-t-really-cheer-when-robert-kardashian-read-o-j-simpson-s-letter-on-tv.

Unless I missed it, I found it interesting that the first episode didn't show Kardashian carrying a garment bag away from O.J.'s mansion the day after the killing, which some have said contained damning evidence of the double murder. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/us/robert-kardashian-a-lawyer-for-o-j-simpson-dies-at-59.html

MSaviolives;842646825 said:

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Unless I missed it, I found it interesting that the first episode didn't show Kardashian carrying a garment bag away from O.J.'s mansion the day after the killing, which some have said contained damning evidence of the double murder. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/us/robert-kardashian-a-lawyer-for-o-j-simpson-dies-at-59.html

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But wouldn't the police have already searched the home by then? The night of the murder they find the blood evidence at the rockingham way property and the bloody glove (with OJ and Nicole blood on/in it). OJ is in Chicago. They see the white bronco with blood on the door. He returns to the property and they bring him in for an interview. At this point wasn't his residence searched and considered a potential crime scene? they already had his bronco, correct? I fully admit that I probably don't have the timeline down, but I would be pretty shocked that they couldn't have obtained a search warrant by the time they found the blood evidence at the OJ property.

As an aside, I was surprised to learn from this show that AC had an identical white bronco. I had always assumed it was the same one from the crime scene that OJ owned. Good writing to show Marsha Clark confused about that one as well.

okaydo;842646807 said:

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..... I bet we won't see these kids again.....

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Do you think there is a way to pull that off in real life?

bearister;842646843 said:

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Do you think there is a way to pull that off in real life?

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please don.

Vandalus;842646832 said:

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But wouldn't the police have already searched the home by then? The night of the murder they find the blood evidence at the rockingham way property and the bloody glove (with OJ and Nicole blood on/in it). OJ is in Chicago. They see the white bronco with blood on the door. He returns to the property and they bring him in for an interview. At this point wasn't his residence searched and considered a potential crime scene? they already had his bronco, correct? I fully admit that I probably don't have the timeline down, but I would be pretty shocked that they couldn't have obtained a search warrant by the time they found the blood evidence at the OJ property.

As an aside, I was surprised to learn from this show that AC had an identical white bronco. I had always assumed it was the same one from the crime scene that OJ owned. Good writing to show Marsha Clark confused about that one as well.

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All good questions and I have no answers. Hence my weaselly "some have said"

MSaviolives;842646853 said:

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All good questions and I have no answers. Hence my weaselly "some have said"

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Ha! Truthfully, I'm pretty much just making wild ass statements anyway sooo.

okaydo;842646845 said:

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As an older guy I say this in all sincerity: Kris Jenner was pretty hot 20+ years ago.

KoreAmBear;842642563 said:

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10 parts? I think 10 minutes should do. I had enough of it when I was working as an law clerk near the LA County Criminal Courts Building and saw the daily circus ("Camp OJ") in summer 1995.

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I beat you. I watched about 45 minutes then I had had enough. The Madoff made-for-TV movie was much better (acting and writing).

68great;842646884 said:

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I beat you. I watched about 45 minutes then I had had enough. The Madoff made-for-TV movie was much better (acting and writing).

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People v. OJ: 97% on Rotten Tomatoes
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the-people-v-o-j-simpson-american-crime-story/s01/


Madoff: 68% on Rotten Tomatoes
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/madoff/s01/


I'm looking forward, though, to the Robert De Niro-Michelle Pfeiffer Madoff movie.