This happened this past Saturday on Oahu. My deepest condolences to the family.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/man-daughter-who-died-after-being-pulled-from-water-at-makapuu-tide-pools-idd/

wow, that's incredibly heartbreaking. So sorry for their family.

Prayers

FCBear;842708936 said:

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gotta have massive respect for the ocean. I preach this all the time. here is a video of a rip tide. I might of heard about it on BI (not sure), but I've sent it to others

[video=youtube;0XDFLGpaKmQ][/video]

My son lives in Oahu and I've seen lots of people get in trouble at Makapu'u. People just don't know how dangerous the surf is and how you REALLY have to pay attention to the waves. He is in the water about 6 days a week and even he got into trouble one time at Makapu'u with the rip. He was on a boogie board and a lifeguard swam out. When he got to him, the lifeguard needed a rest before they swam back in together. If you want a nice calm beach go to Lanikai

Mark Hornor was a Cal graduate. http://www.staradvertiser.com/hawaii-news/man-who-died-trying-to-save-child-is-called-one-of-best-dads/

cal85;842709023 said:

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My son lives in Oahu and I've seen lots of people get in trouble at Makapu'u. People just don't know how dangerous the surf is and how you REALLY have to pay attention to the waves. He is in the water about 6 days a week and even he got into trouble one time at Makapu'u with the rip. He was on a boogie board and a lifeguard swam out. When he got to him, the lifeguard needed a rest before they swam back in together. If you want a nice calm beach go to Lanikai

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I used to live in Kailua, and boogie boarded at Makapuu all the time (Sandy Beach much less because the shorebreak there is psycho). The tide further out was called the Molokai Express. You get caught in that, you turn up on Molokai a couple of days later, not alive.

And I lived about a quarter mile from Lanikai. One of the most beautiful, and underused, beaches I've ever seen. If you're going to Oahu soon, check it out.

On a side note, remember that "Stairway to Heaven" lawsuit, alleging that the song was stolen from a 60s band called Spirit? The members of Spirit were all accomplished surfers; it's how they originally met. Randy California, their genius guitarist and composer of the song in question, died in 1997 in a riptide off Molokai, rescuing his son.

Hawaii currents are nothing to mess with. Though the rewards outweigh the risks, just be very aware.

JimmyMcNulty;842709332 said:

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I used to live in Kailua, and boogie boarded at Makapuu all the time (Sandy Beach much less because the shorebreak there is psycho). The tide further out was called the Molokai Express. You get caught in that, you turn up on Molokai a couple of days later, not alive.

And I lived about a quarter mile from Lanikai. One of the most beautiful, and underused, beaches I've ever seen. If you're going to Oahu soon, check it out.

On a side note, remember that "Stairway to Heaven" lawsuit, alleging that the song was stolen from a 60s band called Spirit? The members of Spirit were all accomplished surfers; it's how they originally met. Randy California, their genius guitarist and composer of the song in question, died in 1997 in a riptide off Molokai, rescuing his son.

Hawaii currents are nothing to mess with. Though the rewards outweigh the risks, just be very aware.

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Unfortunately, so many of these tragedies involve the loss of multiple lives, when one or more family members or friends jump in to help save the first one in distress. The worst are the ones involving a dog owner going in to save a dog caught in a riptide. Ironically, the dog often figures out a way to swim back in and the rescuer dies. I have seen multiple of these dog rescuer dies/dog lives stories, just in the last 5 years. There was also that church group that went in--one after another--to help rescue a kid from going over Nevada Falls in Yosemite a few years ago. All went over the falls. And for a football tie-in, Kansas City Chiefs running back, Joe Delaney, died when he jumped in to save some kids from drowning....Joe couldn't swim.

MSaviolives;842709338 said:

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Unfortunately, so many of these tragedies involve the loss of multiple lives, when one or more family members or friends jump in to help save the first one in distress. The worst are the ones involving a dog owner going in to save a dog caught in a riptide. Ironically, the dog often figures out a way to swim back in and the rescuer dies. I have seen multiple of these dog rescuer dies/dog lives stories, just in the last 5 years. There was also that church group that went in--one after another--to help rescue a kid from going over Nevada Falls in Yosemite a few years ago. All went over the falls. And for a football tie-in, Kansas City Chiefs running back, Joe Delaney, died when he jumped in to save some kids from drowning....Joe couldn't swim.

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Pretty sure something like that happened a few years back at Ocean Beach in SF. I think a dog got in trouble and something like an entire family of 4 died trying to rescue each other, one by one.

Edit: I was close. Pretty sure this was it, but it was up in Arcata. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-drowns-rescue-dog-churning-waves-beach-article-1.1208853

The thought of a father diving in to save their child (or NOT dive in because he knows he will not be able to save them) is just so terrible. Heartbreaking.

Yes indeed.

I guess you have to swim perpendicular to the current and parallel to the shore till you get out of the riptide zone and conserve your energy.

Cal88;842709439 said:

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Yes indeed.

I guess you have to swim perpendicular to the current and parallel to the shore till you get out of the riptide zone and conserve your energy.

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I lived in Newport Beach until I was 7 and that was the very first thing I was told. Never happened to me, but it's burned in my brain.

JimmyMcNulty;842709332 said:

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I used to live in Kailua, and boogie boarded at Makapuu all the time (Sandy Beach much less because the shorebreak there is psycho). The tide further out was called the Molokai Express. You get caught in that, you turn up on Molokai a couple of days later, not alive.

And I lived about a quarter mile from Lanikai. One of the most beautiful, and underused, beaches I've ever seen. If you're going to Oahu soon, check it out.

On a side note, remember that "Stairway to Heaven" lawsuit, alleging that the song was stolen from a 60s band called Spirit? The members of Spirit were all accomplished surfers; it's how they originally met. Randy California, their genius guitarist and composer of the song in question, died in 1997 in a riptide off Molokai, rescuing his son.

Hawaii currents are nothing to mess with. Though the rewards outweigh the risks, just be very aware.

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I used to bodysurf at Makapu'u and Sandy' Beach on a regular basis. That shore break at Sandy's was indeed "psycho." You have to angle parallel to the wave to ride it or it will spit you out. On bad days the ambulance would show up three or four times to pick up a bodysurfer or boogie boarder who'd broken their necks going over the falls - and this was not uncommon. Rip tide issues were more common at Makapu'u. I once got too far outside at Makapu'u and it was either "ride or die" time. I caught this giant wave and bodysurfed it almost a quarter-mile (not kidding, the beachgoers were in shock and watched me ride it in). If I had missed that wave, I would have been shark meat before I'd reached Molokai. I was contest-level good at it but looking back at age 53 (now) I was one crazy 21-22 year old. Was at Cal - went to Hawaii for summer school one year and took many winter break visits to see friends at the time. Loved the water then, now, I have a lot more respect for its power and danger. Really lucky to be here when I think about it, but the rush is exhilarating.

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JimmyMcNulty;842709332 said:

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I used to live in Kailua, and boogie boarded at Makapuu all the time (Sandy Beach much less because the shorebreak there is psycho). The tide further out was called the Molokai Express. You get caught in that, you turn up on Molokai a couple of days later, not alive.

And I lived about a quarter mile from Lanikai. One of the most beautiful, and underused, beaches I've ever seen. If you're going to Oahu soon, check it out.

On a side note, remember that "Stairway to Heaven" lawsuit, alleging that the song was stolen from a 60s band called Spirit? The members of Spirit were all accomplished surfers; it's how they originally met. Randy California, their genius guitarist and composer of the song in question, died in 1997 in a riptide off Molokai, rescuing his son.

Hawaii currents are nothing to mess with. Though the rewards outweigh the risks, just be very aware.

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Yah Sandy's shore break has paralyzed people. Makapu`u is dangerous at high tide. The ridge hikes there are also something to be respected. Yes, it is great to go out and take some challenging hikes like I have done. The closest I have felt to dying was when I climbed a 50 foot waterfall but one of my microspikes ripped so my footing for my next few steps was very precarious on slippery, mossy rock with very steep pitches (I was up about 45 feet but he last 5 were kind of do or die). I froze for about 5 minutes pondering my next move. There were a couple of branches within lunging range. If those branches were dead, I may have fallen back over straight down. I went for it and by the grace of God the branches held up. I sat up at the top breathing heavily and sobered. A girl who was entering freshmen year of college died less than a month ago on upper Manoa falls. The advent of social media has provided much exposure for previously unknown extreme hikes and adventures. Many come in under prepared (and under skilled) not taking enough water, gear, or knowing the extent of the dangers. So the last 5 or so years, tourist season has been basically the season of airlifts from stranded "hikers" who can't make their way out. And believe me, it's not a matter of "hey it's an island, how can't you get out?" There is plenty of jungle, false trails, pig trails, that can turn you around and upside down. You could also be stuck on a sketchy ridge with no way out. So what I say is that I have complete and great respect for the aina, and I try not to take liberties on it by pushing it for my own edification (i.e. taking selfies).

I did not know this story! Spooky stuff. I used to bodysurf Sandy's all the time along with Makapu'u but was one of the only Haoles out there.

SanseiBear;842709037 said:

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Mark Hornor was a Cal graduate. http://www.staradvertiser.com/hawaii-news/man-who-died-trying-to-save-child-is-called-one-of-best-dads/

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I took the bar exam with him in Honolulu in 2005 when we both moved from California. I had no idea it was him! He was a huge Cal football fan too. We talked about many specific Cal games and how 1994 and 1996 went so horribly wrong.

He was larger than life because he was a jet setter, he would only come to class every so often, but seemed to have it all down anyway (supposedly he studied at home with the audio CDs but I doubt it). He was a kind of Ferris Bueller. Coolest guy ever. He never finished the course as he got some offer somewhere else in the world (I recall London) before we sat for the exam, and I never heard about him since until today.

RIP Mark and Mina Hornor. My heart is heavy.

http://khon2.com/2016/07/16/father-daughter-critically-injured-at-makapuu-tide-pools/