https://www.yahoo.com/news/espn-chargers-plan-announce-move-la-044851325--spt.html?ref=gs



So how will this work out?

Wdh is that logo

It's the actual new logo.

The Aztecs the only game in "town", the 2nd largest city in CA? Good for them...

What a joke.

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Vandalus;842791276 said:

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What a joke.

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A complete joke. I'm rooting for both LA franchises....to fail miserably. They're perfect symbols of the corporate greed of the new NFL, as described here.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217?cmpid=feed:-sports-MSNcom

Cal89;842791274 said:

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The Aztecs the only game in "town", the 2nd largest city in CA? Good for them...

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wonder if they try to rebuild qualcomm site with a smaller stadium, maybe split with MLS?

Then I wonder how long the holiday bowl lasts down there.

are they sharing the new stadium?

Rams, 'SC, and UCLA shared the Coliseum for 30+ years. SD bowl games will likely migrate to the Inglewood Stadium too.

San Diego, 8th largest city in the US, now has 1 Big 4 team. Atlanta, 39th largest city, has 4, as does Denver (19th).

UrsaMajor;842791306 said:

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San Diego, 8th largest city in the US, now has 1 Big 4 team. Atlanta, 39th largest city, has 4, as does Denver (19th).

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Also Oakland 45th largest City in US...will in the near future be down to 1 Big league team.

Where is Green Bay on the list? That is only model that makes any sense (community owns it). Otherwise its like falling for a hooker. You have my everlasting love or until someone pays me more. And of course the NFL prohibits any more Green Bay type models.

Chargers couldn't fill up their own stadium and the rams couldn't fill the coliseum. The chargers are gonna play 16 away games as far as atmosphere.

Chargers/Raiders games in LA should be interesting... LMFAO

BTW, here's where the PF Chang's joke came from:

ColoradoBear1;842791297 said:

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wonder if they try to rebuild qualcomm site with a smaller stadium, maybe split with MLS?

Then I wonder how long the holiday bowl lasts down there.

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What is probably going to happen and has been discussed is something similar to what you mentioned. The Aztecs want a new stadium but feel that Qualcomm is too big and too old. So what they are thinking of doing is demolishing the Q, rebuilding to between 30-40k seat stadium for the Aztecs and getting an MLS team. The kicker would be whether SDSU would then control the land for a possible expansion of the actual SDSU campus - which is about 3 miles away but would connect the stadium with the main campus via the existing trolley line.

My own two cents on this - being from North San Diego County - this was a long time coming. San Diego has been burned so many times by the NFL. They were not going to tolerate spending taxpayer money on a team. Particularly when they already have for the Padres and are still paying for Petco Field. We got burned when they expanded Qualcomm to host Super Bowls and then got only one. Now Spanos wanted to tax hotels and if anyone knows anything about the hotel industry in San Diego - they have a pretty good lobby. Spanos' desire for a downtown stadium and insistence on attachment of a convention center annex meant this was going nowhere.

Worst decision ever for him but he and the Chargers have a history of shooting themselves in the foot. They're gone. Goodbye. Let's get something done for SDSU and get an MLS team!

Raiders and Chargers made their cities major league sports cities.
Then the cities decided that they had to share a stadium with a 'new' tenant,
major league baseball. Pretty soon these NFL teams felt like second class
tenants in their home towns. The NFL owners knew other cities were willing
to pay to be major league. And the cities backed MLB instead.

Just a couple of years ago California had three NFL teams playing in what were
essentially baseball stadiums; pretty soon it will be zero. San Diego city officials,
from the mayor on down are huffing and puffing about how the Chargers abandoned
poor ole Deigo, but they forget that they gave the Padres a sweetheart deal and weren't
willing to do the same for the NFL. They took a tougher line with the NFL and
lost their team. I guess they hadn't noticed how well that approach worked for
San Francisco and the 49ers. The SF Giants are an anomaly, private stadium on public
land; without the millions in freebies SD gives the Padres, yet somehow the Giants
are the far more successful team. Before this last election I didn't notice the city of San Diego
pushing hard to win approval of the stadium measure; it seemed like they felt that
if the measures failed, they could force the NFL to own a bigger share of the stadium cost.
a slight miscalculation.

Does anyone in L.A. want the Chargers to come to L.A.? Why do they get to come? I certainly don't want them, I barely want the Rams to be here.

UrsaMajor;842791306 said:

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San Diego, 8th largest city in the US, now has 1 Big 4 team. Atlanta, 39th largest city, has 4, as does Denver (19th).

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San Diego is a suburb of Orange County.

burritos;842791905 said:

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Does anyone in L.A. want the Chargers to come to L.A.? Why do they get to come? I certainly don't want them, I barely want the Rams to be here.

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If the NFL is returning to LA then I'm happy to have these two teams come back home.

Wait a minute..they weren't in LA before this. I thought they were like the Clippers - LA adj

GB54;842791925 said:

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Wait a minute..they weren't in LA before this. I thought they were like the Clippers - LA adj

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They were charter member of the AFL as the Los Angeles Chargers; so yes after a long absence they are back.

burritos;842791907 said:

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San Diego is a suburb of Orange County.

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I'm sure in NW San Diego county there are some who have ties to Orange County,
but around the actual city a lot more ties to Arizona the Orange County.

I-5 is the only way to get directly from San Diego to Orange County, a lot different
compared to the LA - Orange county border crossings.

sp4149;842791866 said:

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Raiders and Chargers made their cities major league sports cities.
Then the cities decided that they had to share a stadium with a 'new' tenant,
major league baseball. Pretty soon these NFL teams felt like second class
tenants in their home towns. The NFL owners knew other cities were willing
to pay to be major league. And the cities backed MLB instead.

Just a couple of years ago California had three NFL teams playing in what were
essentially baseball stadiums; pretty soon it will be zero. San Diego city officials,
from the mayor on down are huffing and puffing about how the Chargers abandoned
poor ole Deigo, but they forget that they gave the Padres a sweetheart deal and weren't
willing to do the same for the NFL. They took a tougher line with the NFL and
lost their team. I guess they hadn't noticed how well that approach worked for
San Francisco and the 49ers. The SF Giants are an anomaly, private stadium on public
land; without the millions in freebies SD gives the Padres, yet somehow the Giants
are the far more successful team. Before this last election I didn't notice the city of San Diego
pushing hard to win approval of the stadium measure; it seemed like they felt that
if the measures failed, they could force the NFL to own a bigger share of the stadium cost.
a slight miscalculation.

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The difference is that San Diego knows when to say enough is enough. Having made a bad deal for Petco and having expanded the Q for nothing - people said they were sick of it. I don't think people are really lamenting the fact that Dean Spanos is leaving. It's regrettable. It could have been avoided, but I don't know of anyone that is crying about this. And I certainly don't blame the City.

510Bear;842791257 said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/espn-chargers-plan-announce-move-la-044851325--spt.html?ref=gs



So how will this work out?

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No. LA can't support 3 professional football teams - Rams, Chargers, and Trojans.

sp4149;842791946 said:

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I'm sure in NW San Diego county there are some who have ties to Orange County,
but around the actual city a lot more ties to Arizona the Orange County.

I-5 is the only way to get directly from San Diego to Orange County, a lot different
compared to the LA - Orange county border crossings.

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91 east to 15 south gets to SD just as easily from OC.

I think north SD is like south OC in that they are both Republican strongholds.

bearloyal;842792149 said:

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No. LA can't support 3 professional football teams - Rams, Chargers, and Trojans.

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The only upside of this truism is that the 2 pro teams might siphon off fair weather SC followers.

By way of Riverside County. Most of the actual San Diego / Orange County border is Camp Pendleton.
There don't seem to be many Democrats in San Diego, just less in North County

MiltyBear;842792165 said:

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91 east to 15 south gets to SD just as easily from OC.

I think north SD is like south OC in that they are both Republican strongholds.

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philly1121;842792056 said:

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The difference is that San Diego knows when to say enough is enough. Having made a bad deal for Petco and having expanded the Q for nothing - people said they were sick of it. I don't think people are really lamenting the fact that Dean Spanos is leaving. It's regrettable. It could have been avoided, but I don't know of anyone that is crying about this. And I certainly don't blame the City.

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The people of San Diego (which is very much NOT a suburb of Orange County) were not sick of the Chargers in San Diego. We were definitely sick of Dean Spanos. As somebody on the better sports radio in station town has said, "Dean Spanos was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple." For all the talk of him "trying for 16 years" to get a new stadium in town, RG and the NFL keep downplaying the fact that he has been dishonest in his past negotiations. A lot of people would have loved to support a new stadium, even if at a premium, if Spanos were not involved. Even if an aspy ass-hat like Mark Davis were in town, we would build him something reasonable in Mission Valley. Dean wanted us to pay for a palace in the most expensive, most inconvenient location possible, and used a 40% vote to prove the narrative that SD is not a football town.

You are correct that nobody will miss Spanos, and we will hate him even more when he sells asap, now that LA has boosted the teams value artificially. Meanwhile, while teaching 7th grade English this morning, a student that has barely spoken a word in the two months since he joined my class, finally said something out loud without being forced to. I (and a few of my kids) were shocked that he had spoken up. I chuckled and asked him to repeat himself and speak up...

"I can't believe the Chargers are going to LA..."

That is what killed me. I knew this was coming 15 months ago, but that was the moment I felt bad about being right.

People are lamenting that they are leaving. People are definitely crying.

Meanwhile, LA has two owners in town that represent the future demise of the NFL. They are "all about that [ca(ck)sh(ion)], boss."

Sorry to preach... between this Cal season and Chargers season, combined with this Cal week with this San Diego week... I wish I enjoyed watching basketball more than I do...

#cantfindthenervetoburnmykeenanallen13jersey.

510Bear;842791293 said:

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A complete joke. I'm rooting for both LA franchises....to fail miserably. They're perfect symbols of the corporate greed of the new NFL, as described here.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217?cmpid=feed:-sports-MSNcom

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The Rams returning may represent some greed, HOWEVER, they should have never been allowed to leave Los Angeles in the first place...it really wasn't a relocation, it was a restoration. St. Louis got EXACTLY what it deserved.

Stanford is private..can they move to LA too?

Normally at this time sports fans in San Diego would be appreciating how good the Aztecs were in basketball.
So far the high spot of their season was beating Cal earlier. They lost their first three league games before finally
beating San Jose State. Fans aren't used to a 1-3 league record...

And then there were the Chargers. After watching the local politicians lie their way thru Petco Park, anybody pitching a stadium would have had
lackluster public support. Spanos was looking for the kind of deal that other NFL franchises were getting. San Diego,
America's Finest City, should have been able to offer the Chargers a better deal than the 49ers got in Levi Stadium.
And I would rather negotiate with Spanos than the Niners owners.

SD_AngryBear;842792184 said:

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"I can't believe the Chargers are going to LA..."

That is what killed me. I knew this was coming 15 months ago, but that was the moment I felt bad about being right.

People are lamenting that they are leaving. People are definitely crying.

Meanwhile, LA has two owners in town that represent the future demise of the NFL. They are "all about that [ca(ck)sh(ion)], boss."

Sorry to preach... between this Cal season and Chargers season, combined with this Cal week with this San Diego week... I wish I enjoyed watching basketball more than I do...

#cantfindthenervetoburnmykeenanallen13jersey.

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I'm proud of SD not giving public funds to Spanos. I say that as a life long Chargers fan. Enough with the subsidies to billionaires. If Spanos couldn't find a way to finance $900M on his own to get a new stadium built (with the help of $300M from the league), then maybe he shouldn't own a team. Sell it to someone who could afford it. What a joke.

SD_AngryBear;842792184 said:

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The people of San Diego (which is very much NOT a suburb of Orange County) were not sick of the Chargers in San Diego. We were definitely sick of Dean Spanos. As somebody on the better sports radio in station town has said, "Dean Spanos was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple." For all the talk of him "trying for 16 years" to get a new stadium in town, RG and the NFL keep downplaying the fact that he has been dishonest in his past negotiations. A lot of people would have loved to support a new stadium, even if at a premium, if Spanos were not involved. Even if an aspy ass-hat like Mark Davis were in town, we would build him something reasonable in Mission Valley. Dean wanted us to pay for a palace in the most expensive, most inconvenient location possible, and used a 40% vote to prove the narrative that SD is not a football town.

You are correct that nobody will miss Spanos, and we will hate him even more when he sells asap, now that LA has boosted the teams value artificially. Meanwhile, while teaching 7th grade English this morning, a student that has barely spoken a word in the two months since he joined my class, finally said something out loud without being forced to. I (and a few of my kids) were shocked that he had spoken up. I chuckled and asked him to repeat himself and speak up...

"I can't believe the Chargers are going to LA..."

That is what killed me. I knew this was coming 15 months ago, but that was the moment I felt bad about being right.

People are lamenting that they are leaving. People are definitely crying.

Meanwhile, LA has two owners in town that represent the future demise of the NFL. They are "all about that [ca(ck)sh(ion)], boss."

Sorry to preach... between this Cal season and Chargers season, combined with this Cal week with this San Diego week... I wish I enjoyed watching basketball more than I do...

#cantfindthenervetoburnmykeenanallen13jersey.

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Yes - anyone that says San Diego is a suburb of Orange County really doesn't know what they are talking about.

I do think people are sad. But I do have the feeling that people are not really devastated by this. I think it's because I believe the City has acted in good faith. And it's the realization that the City or the county were never going to put up enough money to satisfy Dean Spanos. I was born in Orange County (Newport Beach) but raised in Fallbrook. I remember the promises that were made to expand the Murph. That we would be in the Super Bowl rotation. It never happened. I remember the arguments for Petco and they were admittedly good. But it cost way more than people thought it would.

Spanos' insistence that the stadium be in downtown and part of a new convention center I think turned people off because he never wanted to build in Mission Valley. And that was very curious because the infrastructure was already there. I think his attitude tempered my enthusiasm for the chargers. The fact that they continually shot themselves in the foot by losing and giving away players didn't help either.

Yes I am sad. But I think my anger for Spanos is more so.