Me too. Not that I think Baldwin is a top tier coach, but right now our program needs some stability from year to year. We need to keep our coaching staff intact in order to make a fair assessment of Wilcox's long-term potential.71Bear said:
Personally, I hope he stays at Cal.
I don't know about that. Dennis Erickson isn't really "suddenly" available. He's been out of coaching for several years. He's also pretty old.Big C said:
In the four decades that I've followed the conference, there's been basically one HC who could lift up the Beavers' program, though many have tried. Coincidentally, that man is suddenly available again.
(I hope Baldwin stays, too. The whole staff, for that matter.)
Being old doesn't disqualify him from being a coordinator, his experience would be valuable.OaktownBear said:I don't know about that. Dennis Erickson isn't really "suddenly" available. He's been out of coaching for several years. He's also pretty old.Big C said:
In the four decades that I've followed the conference, there's been basically one HC who could lift up the Beavers' program, though many have tried. Coincidentally, that man is suddenly available again.
(I hope Baldwin stays, too. The whole staff, for that matter.)
Washington State would probably promote Alex Grinch to lock him in for his defensive prowess and then hire a spread OC to keep that show going.BearGoggles said:
I too want Baldwin to stay at Cal and the fact that Baldwin wasn't immediately announced at OSU is a positive sign. I wonder if there is a buyout or $$ issue of some sort or, possibly, Baldwin is holding out to see what happens at WSU (rumors Mike Leach could be on the move).
Good one!OaktownBear said:I don't know about that. Dennis Erickson isn't really "suddenly" available. He's been out of coaching for several years. He's also pretty old.Big C said:
In the four decades that I've followed the conference, there's been basically one HC who could lift up the Beavers' program, though many have tried. Coincidentally, that man is suddenly available again.
(I hope Baldwin stays, too. The whole staff, for that matter.)
Relative to what? What he had to work with in the Big Sky or whatever its called was probably a the top of their talent scale. Like.... Cooper Kupp. Or Vernon Adams. Relative to our conference, we didn't have much. Yet he turned our walk-on into one of the top RBs in the Pac!MilleniaBear said:
"what he had to work with" was superior to what he had to work with at EW. The guy presents well but I was hoping for a more dynamic offense. Regardless the program needs continuity and holding on to the OC and DC for at least another year is important. We have a lot of returning starters, many key injuries that will heal, and a good nucleus for a recruiting class. Lets keep it together and see what they can do next year.
This shouldn't have to be said, but "what he had to work with" this season was not superior to most FBS teams. Sure it's superior to an FCS team, but Cal doesn't play in the FCS.MilleniaBear said:
"what he had to work with" was superior to what he had to work with at EW.
That walk-on RB started the season as #3 and burst out after #1 went down and #2 wasn't doing anything against measly Weber State. It wasn't like Baldwin discovered him in Spring Practice. Apart from Laird, no RB has been able to do anything all year. That feels more like luck than coaching genius. I think Cal will do more than fine if Baldwin leaves.socaliganbear said:Relative to what? What he had to work with in the Big Sky or whatever its called was probably a the top of their talent scale. Like.... Cooper Kupp. Or Vernon Adams. Relative to our conference, we didn't have much. Yet he turned our walk-on into one of the top RBs in the Pac!MilleniaBear said:
"what he had to work with" was superior to what he had to work with at EW. The guy presents well but I was hoping for a more dynamic offense. Regardless the program needs continuity and holding on to the OC and DC for at least another year is important. We have a lot of returning starters, many key injuries that will heal, and a good nucleus for a recruiting class. Lets keep it together and see what they can do next year.
Gonna pass on your football knowledge, bro.Uthaithani said:That walk-on RB started the season as #3 and burst out after #1 went down and #2 wasn't doing anything against measly Weber State. It wasn't like Baldwin discovered him in Spring Practice. Apart from Laird, no RB has been able to do anything all year. That feels more like luck than coaching genius. I think Cal will do more than fine if Baldwin leaves.socaliganbear said:Relative to what? What he had to work with in the Big Sky or whatever its called was probably a the top of their talent scale. Like.... Cooper Kupp. Or Vernon Adams. Relative to our conference, we didn't have much. Yet he turned our walk-on into one of the top RBs in the Pac!MilleniaBear said:
"what he had to work with" was superior to what he had to work with at EW. The guy presents well but I was hoping for a more dynamic offense. Regardless the program needs continuity and holding on to the OC and DC for at least another year is important. We have a lot of returning starters, many key injuries that will heal, and a good nucleus for a recruiting class. Lets keep it together and see what they can do next year.
Riley went 0-8 in conference and then 2-6 his first stint at OSU. Somehow winning 2 games at OSU was so awesome he got an NFL job. I'd say Erickson built that program. Now, I was kidding because Riley did a good job following Erickson, but I have to give Erickson the nod.Big C said:Good one!OaktownBear said:I don't know about that. Dennis Erickson isn't really "suddenly" available. He's been out of coaching for several years. He's also pretty old.Big C said:
In the four decades that I've followed the conference, there's been basically one HC who could lift up the Beavers' program, though many have tried. Coincidentally, that man is suddenly available again.
(I hope Baldwin stays, too. The whole staff, for that matter.)
IIRC, Riley lifted the program up, then Erickson (quite a good coach at one time) added a few "student athletes" (lol) and took them, briefly, even higher.
Later, Riley lifted them up a second time. Countless others have tried and failed. If I were Baldwin, I'd think twice about going to Corvallis.
Just curious, on that same rating scale, what would you have given Tony Franklin? Spav?Calcoholic said:
If the average FBS OC is a 5 out of 10, then Baldwin is maybe a 6.5. Good but not excellent. Cal could easily regress if Wilcox were to have to replace him, but I was in the small group of fans who was excited at the possibility of getting a 8, 9, or 10. I trust Wilcox's judgment and networking ability to find an equal or better OC. The injuries and RB's limitations don't explain the strange and often ineffective play calling from BB (particularly in the red zone).
Big C said:
Who is an example of a "9"?
10 in my bookB.A. Bearacus said:Big C said:
Who is an example of a "9"?
I'm always amazed to see clips of TV from the 70s. I mean, this stuff wasn't just regular dumb. It was like Arizona State dumb. Of course I never missed a minute of it back in the day.B.A. Bearacus said:
