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And they play their alphabet rival, TCU, tomorrow night at home. It's looking like 0-2. The game is on ESPN2.

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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I'm interested in SMU's final season stats for defense. It must be some kind of record to have 5 straight seasons of FBS bottom feeding crap defense (one at LAT and four at Cal). Wonder if Sonny can produce another season of defensive suckitude.

The thing is, just hire a decent DC. Is it really that difficult? Harbaugh found a few DC's online. This level of incompetence is mind boggling.

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SFCALBear72 said:

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And they play their alphabet rival, TCU, tomorrow night at home. It's looking like 0-2. The game is on ESPN2.

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The thing is, just hire a decent DC. Is it really that difficult? Harbaugh found a few DC's online. This level of incompetence is mind boggling.

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25To20 said:

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The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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No DC wants to coach Sonny ball.

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RighteousGoldenBear said:

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Looks like Yenser joined Dykes at SMU.....I really feel for those fans.

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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Meh! The man is no longer our problem, proof that Mike Williams did at least one thing right. Go Bears!

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Certain posters pick on Mike Williams way too much, but I have trouble looking at the Sonny dismissal as something that MW did right. Screwing up less than he could have is not the same as doing something right.

MW signed Sonny to an extension that MW never should have agreed to, and then a year later, hoped Sonny would leave on his own or provide good cause for termination instead of just firing him right away, in the (futile) hope that Cal wouldn't be stuck with the payout that was a result of the stupid extension. As a result, the termination happened at least a month later than it should have, making life more difficult for JW in terms of both hiring staff and salvaging what he could of the recruiting year.

Sonny is no longer our problem, and Mike Williams is no longer our problem. Outside of our general propensity to think about both the good and the bad of the past, we don't need to think about either one (good grief, in thinking about the past I still think about Bob Bockrath, who makes Mike Williams look like a dream by comparison). But while I'm glad Sonny is gone, MW screwed up getting rid of Sonny almost as badly as he could have, so I have a little trouble saying that Sonny being gone is proof Williams did one thing right. Sure, it would have been even worse if Sonny had been HC in 2017, but just because MW could have screwed it up even worse doesn't mean he didn't screw it up.

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BTedford was the good one we took for granted. The one whose parents said was too good for you, and they were right. Every time you complained, your friends warned you that you'd be sorry if you left, but you were convinced you could do better because you already had a spouse out of your league, so things could only go up from there. Should've listened to your friends.

Dykes was the rebound relationship that never should have happened. Ends up in prison after draining your bank account. Friends tried to warn you, then bailed on you out of self-preservation. But at least your kids are getting good grades in school because you stopped being cheap and hired a tutor instead of "sink or swim" parenting. Kids openly mock you.

Wilcox is what happens after that when you decide you're hopelessly damaged goods and just settle for someone boring, unattractive and predictable for companionship. You stock up on Viagra to avoid facing the truth of your unhappiness. Take up golf and convince yourself you actually enjoy it. Try not to notice that "The One That Got Away" has moved on just fine without your sorry arse while you're paying a 30-year mortgage in Loserville. Your kids barely talk to you.

Cal is the living embodiment of the "Dirty Golden Bear" parody.

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TheSouseFamily said:

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RighteousGoldenBear said:

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Looks like Yenser joined Dykes at SMU.....I really feel for those fans.

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Pretty sure Yenser is currently coaching at the high school level these days. Seemed like a nice guy but WAY in over his head coaching at the P5 level.

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Cal8285 said:

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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Meh! The man is no longer our problem, proof that Mike Williams did at least one thing right. Go Bears!

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Certain posters pick on Mike Williams way too much, but I have trouble looking at the Sonny dismissal as something that MW did right. Screwing up less than he could have is not the same as doing something right.

MW signed Sonny to an extension that MW never should have agreed to, and then a year later, hoped Sonny would leave on his own or provide good cause for termination instead of just firing him right away, in the (futile) hope that Cal wouldn't be stuck with the payout that was a result of the stupid extension. As a result, the termination happened at least a month later than it should have, making life more difficult for JW in terms of both hiring staff and salvaging what he could of the recruiting year.

Sonny is no longer our problem, and Mike Williams is no longer our problem. Outside of our general propensity to think about both the good and the bad of the past, we don't need to think about either one (good grief, in thinking about the past I still think about Bob Bockrath, who makes Mike Williams look like a dream by comparison). But while I'm glad Sonny is gone, MW screwed up getting rid of Sonny almost as badly as he could have, so I have a little trouble saying that Sonny being gone is proof Williams did one thing right. Sure, it would have been even worse if Sonny had been HC in 2017, but just because MW could have screwed it up even worse doesn't mean he didn't screw it up.

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Looking back, at what point should Williams have fired Dykes?

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TheSouseFamily said:

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Current whereabouts of the rest of Sonny's first staff he brought to Cal:

Tony Franklin- OC. Middle Tennessee
Pierre Ingram - AHC Fujitsu (Japan) Frontiers
Rob Likens - OC, Arizona State
Andy Buh - DC. Maryland
Garrett Chacere - OC New Mexico Highlands Univ
Barry Sacks - DL Coach, Montana
Randy Stewart - Safeties Coach, Cal Poly
Mark Tommerdhahl - ST Coach, Purdue (recent- had been at Utah State)
Damon Harrington - Head Strength Coach, Grambling

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Fyght4Cal said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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Meh! The man is no longer our problem, proof that Mike Williams did at least one thing right. Go Bears!

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Certain posters pick on Mike Williams way too much, but I have trouble looking at the Sonny dismissal as something that MW did right. Screwing up less than he could have is not the same as doing something right.

MW signed Sonny to an extension that MW never should have agreed to, and then a year later, hoped Sonny would leave on his own or provide good cause for termination instead of just firing him right away, in the (futile) hope that Cal wouldn't be stuck with the payout that was a result of the stupid extension. As a result, the termination happened at least a month later than it should have, making life more difficult for JW in terms of both hiring staff and salvaging what he could of the recruiting year.

Sonny is no longer our problem, and Mike Williams is no longer our problem. Outside of our general propensity to think about both the good and the bad of the past, we don't need to think about either one (good grief, in thinking about the past I still think about Bob Bockrath, who makes Mike Williams look like a dream by comparison). But while I'm glad Sonny is gone, MW screwed up getting rid of Sonny almost as badly as he could have, so I have a little trouble saying that Sonny being gone is proof Williams did one thing right. Sure, it would have been even worse if Sonny had been HC in 2017, but just because MW could have screwed it up even worse doesn't mean he didn't screw it up.

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Looking back, at what point should Williams have fired Dykes?

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if its 2017, sometime well before the recruiting class deadlines are occurring so the new coach (Wilcox) would have time to recruit. I know what finally caused Williams to act, and Williams could have gone through that process far sooner. In any event, it is just dust in the wind. Only thing that now matters is finding an offense and beatign BYU.

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going4roses said:

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Well he did try to get aranda and Akina? But...

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wifeisafurd said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Cal8285 said:

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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Meh! The man is no longer our problem, proof that Mike Williams did at least one thing right. Go Bears!

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Certain posters pick on Mike Williams way too much, but I have trouble looking at the Sonny dismissal as something that MW did right. Screwing up less than he could have is not the same as doing something right.

MW signed Sonny to an extension that MW never should have agreed to, and then a year later, hoped Sonny would leave on his own or provide good cause for termination instead of just firing him right away, in the (futile) hope that Cal wouldn't be stuck with the payout that was a result of the stupid extension. As a result, the termination happened at least a month later than it should have, making life more difficult for JW in terms of both hiring staff and salvaging what he could of the recruiting year.

Sonny is no longer our problem, and Mike Williams is no longer our problem. Outside of our general propensity to think about both the good and the bad of the past, we don't need to think about either one (good grief, in thinking about the past I still think about Bob Bockrath, who makes Mike Williams look like a dream by comparison). But while I'm glad Sonny is gone, MW screwed up getting rid of Sonny almost as badly as he could have, so I have a little trouble saying that Sonny being gone is proof Williams did one thing right. Sure, it would have been even worse if Sonny had been HC in 2017, but just because MW could have screwed it up even worse doesn't mean he didn't screw it up.

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Looking back, at what point should Williams have fired Dykes?

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if its 2017, sometime well before the recruiting class deadlines are occurring so the new coach (Wilcox) would have time to recruit. I know what finally caused Williams to act, and Williams could have gone through that process far sooner. In any event, it is just dust in the wind. Only thing that now matters is finding an offense and beating BYU (next team up).

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TheSouseFamily said:

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RighteousGoldenBear said:

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Looks like Yenser joined Dykes at SMU.....I really feel for those fans.

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Pretty sure Yenser is currently coaching at the high school level these days. Seemed like a nice guy but WAY in over his head coaching at the P5 level.

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Uthaithani said:

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Wilcox is what happens after that when you decide you're hopelessly damaged goods and just settle for someone boring, unattractive and predictable for companionship. You stock up on Viagra to avoid facing the truth of your unhappiness. Take up golf and convince yourself you actually enjoy it. Try not to notice that "The One That Got Away" has moved on just fine without your sorry arse while you're paying a 30-year mortgage in Loserville. Your kids barely talk to you.

Cal is the living embodiment of the "Dirty Golden Bear" parody.

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Fyght4Cal said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Cal8285 said:

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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Meh! The man is no longer our problem, proof that Mike Williams did at least one thing right. Go Bears!

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Certain posters pick on Mike Williams way too much, but I have trouble looking at the Sonny dismissal as something that MW did right. Screwing up less than he could have is not the same as doing something right.

MW signed Sonny to an extension that MW never should have agreed to, and then a year later, hoped Sonny would leave on his own or provide good cause for termination instead of just firing him right away, in the (futile) hope that Cal wouldn't be stuck with the payout that was a result of the stupid extension. As a result, the termination happened at least a month later than it should have, making life more difficult for JW in terms of both hiring staff and salvaging what he could of the recruiting year.

Sonny is no longer our problem, and Mike Williams is no longer our problem. Outside of our general propensity to think about both the good and the bad of the past, we don't need to think about either one (good grief, in thinking about the past I still think about Bob Bockrath, who makes Mike Williams look like a dream by comparison). But while I'm glad Sonny is gone, MW screwed up getting rid of Sonny almost as badly as he could have, so I have a little trouble saying that Sonny being gone is proof Williams did one thing right. Sure, it would have been even worse if Sonny had been HC in 2017, but just because MW could have screwed it up even worse doesn't mean he didn't screw it up.

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Looking back, at what point should Williams have fired Dykes?

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if its 2017, sometime well before the recruiting class deadlines are occurring so the new coach (Wilcox) would have time to recruit. I know what finally caused Williams to act, and Williams could have gone through that process far sooner. In any event, it is just dust in the wind. Only thing that now matters is finding an offense and beatign BYU.

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That's when it became clearer to me that he needed to go. However, my friend 8285 may have an earlier time in mind. I've valued his thoughts for about 40 years now, so I'm eager to read his views on the contract extension. Especially considering that w/o the extension Dykes may have appeared to be a dead man walking, to my mind. I'm confident that 8285 can show me the error of my ways.

Go Bears! Beat the Cougars!

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Big C said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Cal8285 said:

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25To20 said:

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I'm glad you asked. SMU lost to that college football juggernaut, North Texas in Sonny's debut, 46 - 23. The Mustangs were shutout through 3 quarters. Looks like Sonny's got that same defensive mindset he had at Cal, and is perhaps a little less excited about offense than he was here.

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Meh! The man is no longer our problem, proof that Mike Williams did at least one thing right. Go Bears!

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Certain posters pick on Mike Williams way too much, but I have trouble looking at the Sonny dismissal as something that MW did right. Screwing up less than he could have is not the same as doing something right.

MW signed Sonny to an extension that MW never should have agreed to, and then a year later, hoped Sonny would leave on his own or provide good cause for termination instead of just firing him right away, in the (futile) hope that Cal wouldn't be stuck with the payout that was a result of the stupid extension. As a result, the termination happened at least a month later than it should have, making life more difficult for JW in terms of both hiring staff and salvaging what he could of the recruiting year.

Sonny is no longer our problem, and Mike Williams is no longer our problem. Outside of our general propensity to think about both the good and the bad of the past, we don't need to think about either one (good grief, in thinking about the past I still think about Bob Bockrath, who makes Mike Williams look like a dream by comparison). But while I'm glad Sonny is gone, MW screwed up getting rid of Sonny almost as badly as he could have, so I have a little trouble saying that Sonny being gone is proof Williams did one thing right. Sure, it would have been even worse if Sonny had been HC in 2017, but just because MW could have screwed it up even worse doesn't mean he didn't screw it up.

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Looking back, at what point should Williams have fired Dykes?

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if its 2017, sometime well before the recruiting class deadlines are occurring so the new coach (Wilcox) would have time to recruit. I know what finally caused Williams to act, and Williams could have gone through that process far sooner. In any event, it is just dust in the wind. Only thing that now matters is finding an offense and beating BYU (next team up).

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Okay, wife, you brought it up, so now you gotta tell us (or at least give us a hint or a direction). I'm pretty sure this is a board etiquette guideline. What finally caused Williams to act?

Some folks say I'm morbid or need to stop dwelling on the past, but I've always been fascinated by the inside facts about Cal coaches' hirings and firings. In this case, was it financial? Sonny's job searching? Lack of ability to hire a top DC? Personal? Something else?

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