My vote: Both

BOTH.

BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH

Tui for sure.

Both.

FALSE CHOICES! Don't forget Edwards! Lol

They both have to go. Enough of this unwatchable offense.

I would give Greatwood time to develop his
players based on his past at Oregon. I might give Toler a Pass.

The rest of the offensive coaches should be swept out. I'd start with Baldwin by not even letting him fly back with the team.

Troll said:

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My vote: Both

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Edwards too

southseasbear said:

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I would give Greatwood time to develop his
players based on his past at Oregon. I might give Toler a Pass.

The rest of the offensive coaches should be swept out. I'd start with Baldwin by not even letting him fly back with the team.

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Keep Ragle for obvious reasons

Only keepers would be Ragle & Greatwood.

nwbear84 said:

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Tui for sure.

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If it's not both, I'd rather have Baldwin go.

southseasbear said:

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I'd start with Baldwin by not even letting him fly back with the team.

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That's over the line. He didn't break the law, abuse a player or do anything else to warrant being kept off the plane. Wilcox has a bit more EI thank goodness.

Bear19 said:

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southseasbear said:

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I'd start with Baldwin by not even letting him fly back with the team.

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That's over the line. He didn't break the law, abuse a player or do anything else to warrant being kept off the plane. Wilcox has a bit more EI thank goodness.

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So tarmac him, as USC did with Lane Kiffen?

Bear19 said:

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southseasbear said:

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I'd start with Baldwin by not even letting him fly back with the team.

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That's over the line. He didn't break the law, abuse a player or do anything else to warrant being kept off the plane. Wilcox has a bit more EI thank goodness.

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Your first name wouldn't be Quinn, would it?

Fire Baldwin, let the new OC decide who he wants on his staff.

calumnus said:

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Fire Baldwin, let the new OC decide who he wants on his staff.

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After clearing off the guys we don't want on the staff.

New guy is gonna have to work with Greatwood and Ragle. They #earnedit on the recruiting trail.

I don't care how bad the the QB play is, a good offensive coordinator would find a way to scheme around at least some of the weaknesses and at least have a servicable offense if not a good one.

Sometimes a "hot-shot" head coach is hired away from a successful lower-tier program (EWU) and that program doesn't miss a beat--sometimes they even get better. And the CFB world slowly finds out maybe the reason for the success of that program was the assistant coaches who stayed behind. This appears to be the case with EWU. Baldwin was not the reason for their success. We got Dan Hawkins'd. This ain't inter-murals brother.

I mean Hawkins is doing fine at Davis now. Some guys are just better at certain levels than others. Nothing wrong with that.

I still think that he'd be a successful OC at somewhere like SC where he has a lot of talent to work with. As it stands now, he's probably gone next year but I don't see Wilcox pulling the trigger until midway through next season.

BB might just be a better HC than OC. I can't see getting rid of him but if somebody offers him a respectable out then Cal shouldn't fight to keep him. Too bad we can't trade him to Sac State for Taylor

I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

heartofthebear said:

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

southseasbear said:

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The rest of the offensive coaches should be swept out. I'd start with Baldwin by not even letting him fly back with the team.

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Treat any coach like $uSC and Coach Kiffin?
Poor form.

MilleniaBear said:

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BB might just be a better HC than OC. I can't see getting rid of him but if somebody offers him a respectable out then Cal shouldn't fight to keep him. Too bad we can't trade him to Sac State for Taylor

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Agreed on Troy Taylor, but he really wanted to give head coaching a shot. He's hired the head coach and several others from Folsom HS to join him at Sac State.

01Bear said:

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heartofthebear said:

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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Why don't we see what Brock Mansion and Joe Ayoob are doing while we're at it?

I get that folks are pissed, but the absolute wrong thing to do is fire anyone right now. Wilcox needs to do a careful analysis of just where the offense went so far off. Was it the position coaches? Was it the overall scheme (I.e., Baldwin)?j Was it both? Then he can make an informed decision which involves not only getting rid of dead wood but also finding replacements that will work. It is worth remembering that Tui came with him, not BB; so far that looks like a poor choice, but since I don't attend practices nor team meetings, I don't know where the main problem lies.

It always amazes me how insulated we seem to be from the rest of CFB. There's a ton of coaches from various G5/P5 schools who would be better choices than "insert former Cal player here".

Those who can't.......coach.

UrsaMajor said:

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I get that folks are pissed, but the absolute wrong thing to do is fire anyone right now. Wilcox needs to do a careful analysis of just where the offense went so far off. Was it the position coaches? Was it the overall scheme (I.e., Baldwin)?j Was it both? Then he can make an informed decision which involves not only getting rid of dead wood but also finding replacements that will work. It is worth remembering that Tui came with him, not BB; so far that looks like a poor choice, but since I don't attend practices nor team meetings, I don't know where the main problem lies.

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Come on it doesn't require that methodical of an analysis. It wasn't just the bowl game. It's been all year. Wilcox has to have some ideas already.

packawana said:

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It always amazes me how insulated we seem to be from the rest of CFB. There's a ton of coaches from various G5/P5 schools who would be better choices than "insert former Cal player here".

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Seriously

Exactly. Who cares where they went to school.

UrsaMajor said:

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I get that folks are pissed, but the absolute wrong thing to do is fire anyone right now. Wilcox needs to do a careful analysis of just where the offense went so far off. Was it the position coaches? Was it the overall scheme (I.e., Baldwin)?j Was it both? Then he can make an informed decision which involves not only getting rid of dead wood but also finding replacements that will work. It is worth remembering that Tui came with him, not BB; so far that looks like a poor choice, but since I don't attend practices nor team meetings, I don't know where the main problem lies.

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If Wilcox doesn't already have a pretty darn good idea where the offense went so far off, he's not a very good Head Coach. Presumably, he has been making that assessment continuously throughout the season. That's what head coaches are paid to do.

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01Bear said:

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heartofthebear said:

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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Why don't we see what Brock Mansion and Joe Ayoob are doing while we're at it?

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I brought up Longshore because he seems to have his own football camp and is actively coaching. I'm not sure the same can be said for either Mansion or Ayoob. That said, I was being a bit facetious with the Reggie Robertson comment.

Also, please note, I did include the name of someone with actual QB coaching experience in the NFL in my comments. Granted, the jury's still out as to whether he was all that good a QB coach in Dallas.

UrsaMajor said:

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I get that folks are pissed, but the absolute wrong thing to do is fire anyone right now. Wilcox needs to do a careful analysis of just where the offense went so far off. Was it the position coaches? Was it the overall scheme (I.e., Baldwin)?j Was it both? Then he can make an informed decision which involves not only getting rid of dead wood but also finding replacements that will work. It is worth remembering that Tui came with him, not BB; so far that looks like a poor choice, but since I don't attend practices nor team meetings, I don't know where the main problem lies.

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I admit that I may be wrong, but it sure looked like the answer to your question is a resounding "BOTH!!!!"

Seriously, which offensive player looks like he improved over the season, or even the past two seasons? If the answer is none, then that tells you something about the coaching.

Also, if you're unsure whether the overall scheme was effective, I'm not sure if you and I watched the same games these past two seasons. Did you see any consistent attempts at misdirection by the Cal team against defenses that were largely physically stronger and faster than they? Better yet, what about the past two seasons makes you think the overall scheme was sound?

UrsaMajor said:

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I get that folks are pissed, but the absolute wrong thing to do is fire anyone right now. Wilcox needs to do a careful analysis of just where the offense went so far off. Was it the position coaches? Was it the overall scheme (I.e., Baldwin)?j Was it both? Then he can make an informed decision which involves not only getting rid of dead wood but also finding replacements that will work. It is worth remembering that Tui came with him, not BB; so far that looks like a poor choice, but since I don't attend practices nor team meetings, I don't know where the main problem lies.

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I get this is the company line and all but it's been two freaking years. Wilcox' line about seeing if we aren't communicating right (or whatever it was) with the players was almost laughable. It isn't like we need some fine tuning around the edges. How much analysis is really needed here? And why hasn't it been happening all along?

Either Wilcox was doing the coach talk thing to say there are going to be wholesale changes or he's sadly clueless about what to do.