To get worst? We worked hard to lose 10-7, have inept QB results? I hope future recruits didn't watch this game unless they have the foresight to see they have skills to help us out. Bottom line this loss is on the coaches.

To find another scapegoat for Baldwin and Tui, Chase Forrest.

It seemed like Cal intentionally tried to lose the game. For what? A better draft pick? This ain't the NFL. I'm am completely baffled as to why Forrest played the whole 2nd half.

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It seemed like Cal intentionally tried to lose the game. For what? A better draft pick? This ain't the NFL. I'm am completely baffled as to why Forrest played the whole 2nd half.

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Seems like when BB went all in on BM for a three game stretch he was willing to lose games just to develop BM. Not only did he not develop BM (and BM losing major confidence in the process), we lost all three games where he went all in on BM. This playing fast and loose to support his agenda is why I believe BB should not be retained.

I'm telling y'all, the defense must have been lighting it up in practice and intercepting our QB posse left and right. Practices must have been brutal to watch when the offense is on the field. If not, something is wrong with their practices.

Same for the Dykes era, Goff and Webb must have been lighting it up in practice against the defense, sleep walking through drills against defense that's out of position, can't tackle, and not do much of anything. If they weren't, something was wrong with the practices.

Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

Don't you Negative Nellies get it? Most of the extra practices were "developmental".

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Don't you Negative Nellies get it? Most of the extra practices were "developmental".

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developmental
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concerned with the development of someone or something.

Maybe they should have been concerned with "developing" the team that was to help us recruit for the future......

Who else was going to play?

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Don't you Negative Nellies get it? Most of the extra practices were "developmental".

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developmental
adjective
concerned with the development of someone or something.

Maybe they should have been concerned with "developing" the team that was to help us recruit for the future......

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Our "offensive powers that be" are on a higher plane of understanding that neither you nor I will ever be able to comprehend.

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Big C said:

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Don't you Negative Nellies get it? Most of the extra practices were "developmental".

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developmental
adjective
concerned with the development of someone or something.

Maybe they should have been concerned with "developing" the team that was to help us recruit for the future......

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Our "offensive powers that be" are on a higher plane of understanding that neither you nor I will ever be able to comprehend.

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You mean like "Chariot of the Gods" kind of alien thinking....

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Big C said:

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Don't you Negative Nellies get it? Most of the extra practices were "developmental".

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developmental
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concerned with the development of someone or something.

Maybe they should have been concerned with "developing" the team that was to help us recruit for the future......

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Our "offensive powers that be" are on a higher plane of understanding that neither you nor I will ever be able to comprehend.

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You mean like "Chariot of the Gods" kind of alien thinking....

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They are definitely on a different plane of understanding, no doubt about it.

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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It seemed like Cal intentionally tried to lose the game. For what? A better draft pick? This ain't the NFL. I'm am completely baffled as to why Forrest played the whole 2nd half.

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Seems like when BB went all in on BM for a three game stretch he was willing to lose games just to develop BM. Not only did he not develop BM (and BM losing major confidence in the process), we lost all three games where he went all in on BM. This playing fast and loose to support his agenda is why I believe BB should not be retained.

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OC calls the plays on offense, but I'm pretty sure the head coach makes the call on putting in a different QB. I could be wrong though.

The benefit of the extra practice days is that the coaches can give attention to young players currently deep on the depth chart who will be expected to contribute next year.

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The benefit of the extra practice days is that the coaches can give attention to young players currently deep on the depth chart who will be expected to contribute next year.

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Well I hope they reach deep in the hat and pull out a rabbit! We're going to need him!

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Who else was going to play?

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My gripe about many of these posts is that they ignore the obvious. Cal's offense disappeared when Noa and Laird went down. There might have been some minimal hope if Wharton had remained on the team.

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

Wilcox claimed Garbers was adding to his repitoir and developing

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Who else was going to play?

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My gripe about many of these posts is that they ignore the obvious. Cal's offense disappeared when Noa and Laird went down. There might have been some minimal hope if Wharton had remained on the team.

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The running game seemed okay with Brown when we used it

Based on what we saw in the game and heard during the presser before and after, seems like the plan was to use the extra practices to expand Garbers comfort level with the offense and to open things up a bit. Garbers most likely practiced well enough to encourage the coaches that the approach would work.

Garbers starts the game 10-12 including a long pass to Noa further reenforcing the idea that the coaches plan will work. Noa and Laird get hurt. Garbers makes some ill advised throws. Coaches replace Garbers with Forrest and inexplicably stay with Forrest for the rest of the game.

Impossible to predict that Noa and Laird will get injured and if they stay in the game, we probably win easily. If you had a crystal ball, perhaps the best thing would have been to allow Garbers to go through the developmental practices with the larger playbook and then when the TCU prep starts go back to a more conservative, ball control plan.

Not a bad plan to leverage the developmental practices and even the bowl game for Garbers future development. Didn't really work out due in large part to the injuries to Noa and Laird.

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Cal's offense disappeared when Noa and Laird went down.

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I saw one of our linemen getting a turf burn bandaged on a close up TV shot. I also remember seeing the football field being laid-in during a pregame clip.

The turf must have been rock hard. Noa came down on his shoulder after a catch & was hurt. Laird ended up wearing a sling after half time. Thanks AZ Diamondbacks for sparing no expense in prepping the field.

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Who else was going to play?

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My gripe about many of these posts is that they ignore the obvious. Cal's offense disappeared when Noa and Laird went down. There might have been some minimal hope if Wharton had remained on the team.

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Cal had the #111th offense in the country going into the game.

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Who else was going to play?

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My gripe about many of these posts is that they ignore the obvious. Cal's offense disappeared when Noa and Laird went down. There might have been some minimal hope if Wharton had remained on the team.

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Cal had the #111th offense in the country going into the game.

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I think we might have slipped

And they played at that 111th level. The Bears have neither QB or. WR on the roster worthy of the names. This is the residue of the 'Bear Raid' smurfball offense. Overrated qb's who throw more interceptions the td's. Small, slow, injury prone unreliable receivers and no running backs. Perfect. Neither of the two star(?) receivers who left the program are playing anywhere. Georgia has real 5 star talent and can recognize such. Is there anyone not injured with more than 10 receptions all season? Where did the Tight Ends disappear to, the 'Twilight Zone'? JW won't have far to look for the source of the 'offensive' failures. BTW, Tedford promised the same 'deep dive' mumbo jumbo as His program spiraled into the ground remember? I expect the same 'nothing' public summary as to the source of the lack of offense.

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

The benefit of the bowl game is for next year, not this year. If the benefit was only in preparing for this one game then there would be no benefit at all of going to a bowl game vs not going to a bowl game.

We even explicitly spent the first half of those practices dedicated entirely to the players who don't normally spend much time as the focus of a practice (with the exception of Garbers who was the focus of everything).

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I think all of our QBs could make a case that extra practice time with this group of coaches made them worse. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I think all of our QBs could make a case that extra practice time with this group of coaches made them worse. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

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I can see evidence that the QBs have failed to improve their games with more experience. I see little evidence that they are WORSE.

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I agree with you. In quantity that we're discussing - 15 additional sessions - having more practice time is better. The logical conclusion of the opposing argument would seem to be that we should forgo spring and fall training. Obviously the benefits are commensurate with the skill and motivation of the relevant parties (coaches & players).

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82gradDLSdad said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I think all of our QBs could make a case that extra practice time with this group of coaches made them worse. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

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I can see evidence that the QBs have failed to improve their games with more experience. I see little evidence that they are WORSE.

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Every QB on our team was once good enough to play for us. Now, after training with this staff, they are on the bench. Looks they got worse to me.

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I think all of our QBs could make a case that extra practice time with this group of coaches made them worse. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

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I can see evidence that the QBs have failed to improve their games with more experience. I see little evidence that they are WORSE.

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Every QB on our team was once good enough to play for us. Now, after training with this staff, they are on the bench. Looks they got worse to me.

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Your premise is wrong. Every QB on our team was recruited because the recruiting staff felt they had the potential to start for us. That is a proper premise.

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I think all of our QBs could make a case that extra practice time with this group of coaches made them worse. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

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I can see evidence that the QBs have failed to improve their games with more experience. I see little evidence that they are WORSE.

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Every QB on our team was once good enough to play for us. Now, after training with this staff, they are on the bench. Looks they got worse to me.

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Your premise is wrong. Every QB on our team was recruited because the recruiting staff felt they had the potential to start for us. That is a proper premise.

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Correct. All were brought in and given a CHANCE to take over as the starter. No one was assumed to be good enough.