2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

Maybe if this were any school other than Cal. Heck, if it weren't Cal BB would have been gone after year 2. The sad truth is he runs a clean program, the kids graduate and he stays around .500...that's enough to keep this job for about as long as you want it.

Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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If we lose both, will JW take a good look in the mirror? Now that he knows what hc'ing is all about, does he have the fire in the belly for it? His manner doesn't make it appear that he does.

I think Wilcox is still the right guy (BB and other offensive coaches are offensive so they need to go), but he's got to have standards and not be that gritty guy who has integrity and tries to outsmart everyone with injury status. Getting The Axe back with a very depleted Furd squad is a must. Not to save his job for next year, but as another part of his performance standard going forward.

Even though the thought of losing this Saturday sickens me, if we did, but followed it up with a win over UCLA and, thus, a bowl game, the season would only be SOMEWHAT disappointing (especially if we won the bowl game).

In 2020, he would need to show signs that things are still improving. Those signs would be: A better Offensive Coordinator, better recruiting and at least seven wins. And no, I am not satisfied with a seven-win team, but that would indicate we might be on the path to becoming an 8+ win team.

Rushinbear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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If we lose both, will JW take a good look in the mirror? Now that he knows what hc'ing is all about, does he have the fire in the belly for it? His manner doesn't make it appear that he does.

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Just curious, what makes you say that? If it is his not firing BB last year, okay, I get that, but hopefully he does it next month. Lesson learned.

Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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The only thing that tells me is Cal has played a weak OOC schedule since JW became head coach.

we need a better qb and better wide receivers. thats reality.

71Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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The only thing that tells me is Cal has played a weak OOC schedule since JW became head coach.

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Since the OOC is weak then Wilcox's overall record is worse than we thought. Well done 71!

71Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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The only thing that tells me is Cal has played a weak OOC schedule since JW became head coach.

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Yes. Just like the Niners schedule so far this year...

The only thing this tells me is that Pac-12 opponents have figured Wilcox out. But since he's coached in so many conferences, he's the master of the OOC.

And hire who?

going4roses said:

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And hire who?

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This is always the worst and stupidest of the responses when a coach has shown that he's not performing.

Excuse me ? Beg your pardon? Stupid?

Big C said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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If we lose both, will JW take a good look in the mirror? Now that he knows what hc'ing is all about, does he have the fire in the belly for it? His manner doesn't make it appear that he does.

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Just curious, what makes you say that? If it is his not firing BB last year, okay, I get that, but hopefully he does it next month. Lesson learned.

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JW doesn't seem to show much enthusiasm. Seems matter of fact when he's in public. Makes me wonder if he's like that in meetings, living rooms, etc. Young men expect to see motivating behavior/personality, someone who cheers for them from the sideline. Just an impression. Now, if we were winning 7-12 games, that would be different. You'd say, ok that is working for him. That's what makes me say that.

Many would agree that the team's success has been limited by our lack of talented recruits and depth. A coaching staff can make progress to improve on those, but it's simpler to point fingers at the coaches themselves - and of course overall performance. Face it, our recruits are not going to jump 4-5 star for any particular reason just being Cal, but especially since we are now bottom feeders in the P12 North. I support Wilcox for a lot of reasons and hope he can turn a big corner on recruiting and depth so that we find maximum offensive improvement. Think about our defense without Weaver! Wilcox needs to find some magic that I can't visualize to get better talent across the board.

Rushinbear said:

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Big C said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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If we lose both, will JW take a good look in the mirror? Now that he knows what hc'ing is all about, does he have the fire in the belly for it? His manner doesn't make it appear that he does.

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Just curious, what makes you say that? If it is his not firing BB last year, okay, I get that, but hopefully he does it next month. Lesson learned.

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JW doesn't seem to show much enthusiasm. Seems matter of fact when he's in public. Makes me wonder if he's like that in meetings, living rooms, etc. Young men expect to see motivating behavior/personality, someone who cheers for them from the sideline. Just an impression. Now, if we were winning 7-12 games, that would be different. You'd say, ok that is working for him. That's what makes me say that.

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Fair enough. I've noticed that myself. I dunno, every leader has their own style. Plus, who knows what he's like behind closed doors. But, like you said, if we were winning more, it'd look like HIS style was more successful.

We have not won the Rose Bowl game in 81 years. We have not been to the Rose Bowl in 61 years. When you are in a slump like that you are looking for a coach who can pull the sword out of the rock. I do not think that Wilcox is that man. We need somebody extraordinary. Right now the head coach at Minnesota seems to most closely fit the bill. Maybe the head coach at Appalachian State would be a good choice. It seems that others are better at finding the right coach.

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We have not won the Rose Bowl game in 81 years. We have not been to the Rose Bowl in 61 years. When you are in a slump like that you are looking for a coach who can pull the sword out of the rock. I do not think that Wilcox is that man. We need somebody extraordinary. Right now the head coach at Minnesota seems to most closely fit the bill. Maybe the head coach at Appalachian State would be a good choice. It seems that others are better at finding the right coach.

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You mean a hc like Fleck. You don't mean Fleck, himself. He will merit a top ten school for his next job.

Alkiadt said:

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71Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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The only thing that tells me is Cal has played a weak OOC schedule since JW became head coach.

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Yes. Just like the Niners schedule so far this year...

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What do the Niners have to do with a college team?

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71Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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The only thing that tells me is Cal has played a weak OOC schedule since JW became head coach.

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Since the OOC is weak then Wilcox's overall record is worse than we thought. Well done 71!

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C4L, your post is not relevant to the OP.

going4roses said:

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Excuse me ? Beg your pardon? Stupid?

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Yeah, it is stupid because you don't make any suggestions of your own. You have a habit of asking disingenuous questions without context. Try throwing in some of your own commentary. If Wilcox left tomorrow, who would you recommend as a successor?

71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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Excuse me ? Beg your pardon? Stupid?

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Yeah, it is stupid because you don't make any suggestions of your own. You have a habit of asking disingenuous questions without context. Try throwing in some of your own commentary. If Wilcox left tomorrow, who would you recommend as a successor?

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g4r can answer for himself quite well, but I think when he wrote "and hire who?" that was exactly his point: Top coaches aren't exactly beating down our doors to apply for the job when it is open, so he doesn't have any recommendations.

If this were the case of replacing an incompetent HC (like in hoops this spring), sure, hire a replacement -- even if it's just the top guy on a search firm's list -- and he's likely to be better. However, Wilcox is a competent, at-least-.500 coach, so we would need to get somebody better, or why bother. When we hired Dykes, we KNEW of some guys that would be good (Petersen, Rivera, etc) but they didn't want the job, at least at the $$$ we were willing to offer.

Same with the Wilcox hiring: Who were the other candidates that wanted the job at a price we were willing to pay? So I think "and hire who?" is a pretty good response to the people that want to fire Wilcox.

I'd say a decent guideline, at this point, would be to fire him after his second consecutive sub-.500 season. 1-2 years down the road, I'd raise the bar.

Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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It's not a good look. Cal has played a weak OOC schedule so Wilcox's record, excluding the OOC is worst than Holmoe.

71Bear said:

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CAL4LIFE said:

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71Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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2017: 3-0 start, 2-7 finish
2018: 3-0 start, 4-6 finish
2019: 4-0 start, 1-5 since

Pretty obvious how this looks.

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The only thing that tells me is Cal has played a weak OOC schedule since JW became head coach.

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Since the OOC is weak then Wilcox's overall record is worse than we thought. Well done 71!

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C4L, your post is not relevant to the OP.

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Sure it is. The OP illustrated how poorly Wilcox teams finish, and then you piled on with the weak OOC take which further diminishes the overall record of the head coach. I just pointed it out because I know you believe Wilmoe is the right man for the job.

Wilcox should be on the hot seat next year regardless of the outcome in the Big Game. Right now his conference record is 8-17 (32%). That's not mediocre - it's disastrous. His decision to hire and retain Baldwin and these other imposter coaches on offense for so long have probably derailed any chance he has to succeed. I mean it would be great to win the Big Game and all, but it's not really going to change his trajectory.

going4roses said:

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Excuse me ? Beg your pardon? Stupid?

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Yogi is an utter jerk. Get used to it since the mods don't seem to care.

71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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Excuse me ? Beg your pardon? Stupid?

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Yeah, it is stupid because you don't make any suggestions of your own. You have a habit of asking disingenuous questions without context. Try throwing in some of your own commentary. If Wilcox left tomorrow, who would you recommend as a successor?

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Yes except this is Cal. Tell me my budget, what PC restrictions, what guys I have to keep here,, what are your transfer requirements (because a lot of coaches don't want to come where they can't recruit and change player personnel quickly), etc. it really would not. be a good question at USC, where no limitations apply. It may be with Cal's budget and limitations, Wilcox is the best Cal can get. This is a legitimate question.

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71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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Excuse me ? Beg your pardon? Stupid?

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Yeah, it is stupid because you don't make any suggestions of your own. You have a habit of asking disingenuous questions without context. Try throwing in some of your own commentary. If Wilcox left tomorrow, who would you recommend as a successor?

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g4r can answer for himself quite well, but I think when he wrote "and hire who?" that was exactly his point: Top coaches aren't exactly beating down our doors to apply for the job when it is open, so he doesn't have any recommendations.

If this were the case of replacing an incompetent HC (like in hoops this spring), sure, hire a replacement -- even if it's just the top guy on a search firm's list -- and he's likely to be better. However, Wilcox is a competent, at-least-.500 coach, so we would need to get somebody better, or why bother. When we hired Dykes, we KNEW of some guys that would be good (Petersen, Rivera, etc) but they didn't want the job, at least at the $$$ we were willing to offer.

Same with the Wilcox hiring: Who were the other candidates that wanted the job at a price we were willing to pay? So I think "and hire who?" is a pretty good response to the people that want to fire Wilcox.

I'd say a decent guideline, at this point, would be to fire him after his second consecutive sub-.500 season. 1-2 years down the road, I'd raise the bar.

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I'll leave the first paragraph alone. As you suggested, all of us can answer for ourselves.

On to the rest...

Those whose first reaction to a difficult season is "Fire the coach" represent a tiny minority of the entire fan base. It really isn't worth the time and effort to even discuss the subject because it is a non-starter. Wilcox is the coach today and will continue to be the coach. There is nothing on the horizon to suggest otherwise.....

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However, Wilcox is a competent, at-least-.500 coach, so we would need to get somebody better, or why bother.

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Uh, Wilcox is not an at-least-.500 coach. His record in three years against Pac-12 competition is 8-17, and that's quite likely to get worse after the next two games. That's well below .500. He may well be our worst coach since Tom Holmoe.

Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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However, Wilcox is a competent, at-least-.500 coach, so we would need to get somebody better, or why bother.

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Uh, Wilcox is not an at-least-.500 coach. His record in three years against Pac-12 competition is 8-17, and that's quite likely to get worse after the next two games. That's well below .500. He may well be our worst coach since Tom Holmoe.

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Yup. Win the axe or get the axe!!!

Wilcox has 4 more years on his contract after this year. Jesus Christ guys he's not getting fired now or next year even.

hanky1 said:

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Wilcox has 4 more years on his contract after this year. Jesus Christ guys he's not getting fired now or next year even.

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It just depends on if any of our mega-donors are fed up with the mediocrity that Wilcox has delivered.

I don't think temperament has much, if anything, to do with good coaching. When you think about the top tier elite coaches, both now and historically, you see every personality from high-energy extroverts to quiet, mild introverts, and every personality type in between. Whatever the right combination of qualities is to be a good coach, it doesn't seem to depend on personality type.

Calcoholic said:

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I don't think temperament has much, if anything, to do with good coaching. When you think about the top tier elite coaches, both now and historically, you see every personality from high-energy extroverts to quiet, mild introverts, and every personality type in between. Whatever the right combination of qualities is to be a good coach, it doesn't seem to depend on personality type.

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Recruiting and player encouragement.