calumnus said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Is Tui trying to tell us something?

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Possibilities:
1. He hates Baldwin and doesn't realize his own job is in question.
2. He is going with Baldwin to Cal Poly as his OC
3. The new Cal OC has agreed to keep him.
4. He is the new OC
5. Something else.

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Maybe he just saved a lot of money on his car insurance

Or we landed/held-onto a commitment?

Pigskin Pete said:

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Maybe he just saved a lot of money on his car insurance

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He might just be a huge fan of Ice Cube and his work in the 90s.

Fyght4Cal said:

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Is Tui trying to tell us something?

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Whatever, it's not a good look.

I'm hoping he landed the TE Rodgers. He would be a huge commit and probably a day one starter.

Gkhoury2325 said:

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I'm hoping he landed the TE Rodgers. He would be a huge commit and probably a day one starter.

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If it's about a recruit, ok. The fact that he posted on the day a colleague left, and was probably forced to leave, is a bad look.

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Or we landed/held-onto a commitment?

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It's gotta be this!

82gradDLSdad said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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I'm hoping he landed the TE Rodgers. He would be a huge commit and probably a day one starter.

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If it's about a recruit, ok. The fact that he posted on the day a colleague left, and was probably forced to leave, is a bad look.

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My thought too. Also the day a player is arrested for a very serious crime. Just seems like odd timing.

Well, technically on Banjo it was just the news came out today not arrested, no? As to Baldwin, my sense is "forced out" may be a strong. It just seems way too nice right nowBaldwin is actually going out on a high note with Garbers and UCLA win, and certainly the move to Poly has been in the works for some time. Maybe it was just everyone felt he needed a breadth of fresh air at a lower program so it really was a win win. In that context, a text like this isn't bad (and might be about a recruit). Kind of a "not all news is bad" post.

I dunno. Think we tend to read way too much into this.

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Well, technically on Banjo it was just the news came out today not arrested, no? As to Baldwin, my sense is "forced out" may be a strong. It just seems way too nice right nowBaldwin is actually going out on a high note with Garbers and UCLA win, and certainly the move to Poly has been in the works for some time. Maybe it was just everyone felt he needed a breadth of fresh air at a lower program so it really was a win win. In that context, a text like this isn't bad (and might be about a recruit). Kind of a "not all news is bad" post.

I dunno. Think we tend to read way too much into this.

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I don't disagree. And you're obviously right about the arrest date. I'm not suggesting I had a particularly strong reaction but when I saw the tweet, I simply thought "Huh. That just seems a little odd on a day you lose a colleague/boss and a player." Nothing more than that. And believe me, I'd be thrilled to get a big recruiting pick-up.

With all due respect, I don't think Tui's intention is the departure of BB. It's because he probably secured the commit from TE Rodgers. The Tuiasasopo Family are very respectful and very humble. I went to school with a few. Yes there are related. I don't think that's who he is and not his intention.

82gradDLSdad said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Is Tui trying to tell us something?

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Whatever, it's not a good look.

Recruits expect reaction, reinforcement. If he offended a few here, I can live with that. Unlike us, Baldwin knows exactly what that tweet was about, especially seeing its a recruit from the offensive side of the ball, so you know he isn't offended.
If it offends a few here, yeah, I am good with keeping the recruit pumped up.

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Anyone who is assuming Malicious intent is reading way too much into it. Simple research at the crystal ball for Rogers and Cheringtons post indicate its recruiting-based.

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Anyone who is assuming Malicious intent is reading way too much into it. Simple research at the crystal ball for Rogers and Cheringtons post indicate its recruiting-based.

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From my perspective, I read no malicious intent whatsoever. Just thought the timing/optics looked a little strange. Not a big deal. Happy for the recruiting success. Moving on...

For those not in Low Cal Horton would be a FANTASTIC hire for the kind of program that Wilcox wants to build (and which I think fits Cal's recruiting style). The Horton+Long combo is essentially Wilcox Mountain West style - great disruptive defenses that force three and outs and then crushing power run games that pay huge dividends in the 3rd and 4th quarter. You would see sustained drives.

Main issue is that I doubt he leaves the Mesa. Figure he and Rocky retire together as they are both about the same age.

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Rushinbear said:

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This is the most likely time for a change. Not that it can't happen after the bowl, but with all the activity in the marketplace now, it looks like BB is staying. They would have announced it by now. It's not like they haven't thought it through.

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Good call

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I was off by a week. Now, who's it gonna be? My bet is we haven't heard (much) about his replacement. More likely a young/middle aged guy. Probably a lower division - maybe much lower. Hopefully, a good recruiter, though.

The only issue would be who he would bring with him. We'd want skilled assistants and a younger guy might not have the connections he'd need. Except, a younger guy often has a rabbi - who might want to see the kid blossom and would be willing to do a coupla years to help him get his footing. A good ol guy. Pure spec.

This is a good time to be a Golden Bear.

82gradDLSdad said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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I'm hoping he landed the TE Rodgers. He would be a huge commit and probably a day one starter.

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If it's about a recruit, ok. The fact that he posted on the day a colleague left, and was probably forced to leave, is a bad look.

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Or maybe people should just stop trying to read tea leaves on Twitter.

There's a logical explanation for what this probably means, but I don't want to waste even one second on tweet analysis.

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Pigskin Pete said:

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Rushinbear said:

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This is the most likely time for a change. Not that it can't happen after the bowl, but with all the activity in the marketplace now, it looks like BB is staying. They would have announced it by now. It's not like they haven't thought it through.

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Good call

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I was off by a week. Now, who's it gonna be? My bet is we haven't heard (much) about his replacement. More likely a young/middle aged guy. Probably a lower division - maybe much lower. Hopefully, a good recruiter, though.

The only issue would be who he would bring with him. We'd want skilled assistants and a younger guy might not have the connections he'd need. Except, a younger guy often has a rabbi - who might want to see the kid blossom and would be willing to do a coupla years to help him get his footing. A good ol guy. Pure spec.

This is a good time to be a Golden Bear.

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Oh no. You don't get off that easily.

"with all the activity in the marketplace now, it looks like BB is staying."

Pigskin Pete said:

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calumnus said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Is Tui trying to tell us something?

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Possibilities:
1. He hates Baldwin and doesn't realize his own job is in question.
2. He is going with Baldwin to Cal Poly as his OC
3. The new Cal OC has agreed to keep him.
4. He is the new OC
5. Something else.

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Maybe he just saved a lot of money on his car insurance

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probably a silent verbal. Some twitter nonsense seems to be the way of getting around the NCAA ban on talking about recruits.

wifeisafurd said:

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Pigskin Pete said:

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calumnus said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Is Tui trying to tell us something?

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Possibilities:
1. He hates Baldwin and doesn't realize his own job is in question.
2. He is going with Baldwin to Cal Poly as his OC
3. The new Cal OC has agreed to keep him.
4. He is the new OC
5. Something else.

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Maybe he just saved a lot of money on his car insurance

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probably a silent verbal. Some twitter nonsense seems to be the way of getting around the NCAA ban on talking about recruits.

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Yes, agree that it most likely a verbal commit, probably not even silent. As you point out coaches are not allowed to comment on recruits until they sign LOIs. The recruiting databases will be updated soon, the recruit will tweet or a BI article will come out and we will know for sure.

Pigskin Pete said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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I'm hoping he landed the TE Rodgers. He would be a huge commit and probably a day one starter.

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If it's about a recruit, ok. The fact that he posted on the day a colleague left, and was probably forced to leave, is a bad look.

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Or maybe people should just stop trying to read tea leaves on Twitter.

There's a logical explanation for what this probably means, but I don't want to waste even one second on tweet analysis.

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Too late

calumnus said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Pigskin Pete said:

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calumnus said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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Is Tui trying to tell us something?

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Possibilities:
1. He hates Baldwin and doesn't realize his own job is in question.
2. He is going with Baldwin to Cal Poly as his OC
3. The new Cal OC has agreed to keep him.
4. He is the new OC
5. Something else.

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Maybe he just saved a lot of money on his car insurance

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probably a silent verbal. Some twitter nonsense seems to be the way of getting around the NCAA ban on talking about recruits.

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Yes, agree that it most likely a verbal commit, probably not even silent. As you point out coaches are not allowed to comment on recruits until they sign LOIs. The recruiting databases will be updated soon, the recruit will tweet or a BI article will come out and we will know for sure.

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yes, it probably is obvious who the recruit is given what position Tui coaches.

Pigskin Pete said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Pigskin Pete said:

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Rushinbear said:

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This is the most likely time for a change. Not that it can't happen after the bowl, but with all the activity in the marketplace now, it looks like BB is staying. They would have announced it by now. It's not like they haven't thought it through.

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Good call

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I was off by a week. Now, who's it gonna be? My bet is we haven't heard (much) about his replacement. More likely a young/middle aged guy. Probably a lower division - maybe much lower. Hopefully, a good recruiter, though.

The only issue would be who he would bring with him. We'd want skilled assistants and a younger guy might not have the connections he'd need. Except, a younger guy often has a rabbi - who might want to see the kid blossom and would be willing to do a coupla years to help him get his footing. A good ol guy. Pure spec.

This is a good time to be a Golden Bear.

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Oh no. You don't get off that easily.

"with all the activity in the marketplace now, it looks like BB is staying."

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You got me there. I figured that the longer it took to do whatever, the more likely that he would be staying. Didn't account for the possibility that BB was working on a hc job. Glad it's getting done now. Good for him and good for us.

So, this topic got sidetracked as pretty much all topics get sidetracked here on BearInsider...

So, back towards the original topic: given the amount of angst expressed about our offense, I sure don't see much speculation or wishing for specific names for a replacement OC. This is especially surprising now that Baldwin's departure *seems* pretty certain.

As for me, I'm not going to give any predictions or wishes either, but will mention one thing that occurred to me. Various people have mentioned wanting Troy Taylor back in some coaching capacity. It dawned on me that the Troy Taylor trajectory shares much with the Beau Baldwin trajectory.

Baldwin was successful as OC and then HC at Eastern Washington. Came to Cal as OC and offenses struggled. Now (apparently) leaving to take HC position back down at FCS Cal Poly (even the same conference as E Washington).

Taylor was OC at Eastern Washington (under Baldwin), went to Utah as OC. Offense struggled (at least relatively), and he left for a HC position at FCS Sac State (also same conference as E Washington and Cal Poly).

I'm not pointing this out necessarily as something against Taylor (in fact the dissatisfaction at Utah seems to have come from stylistic differences with Wittingham as much as any actual problems with the offensive production, whereas here at Cal I think the want for a change do come strictly from the poor performance of the offense). Just that I thought that the trajectories of the two were remarkably similar over their last few positions.

YamhillBear said:

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So, this topic got sidetracked as pretty much all topics get sidetracked here on BearInsider...

So, back towards the original topic: given the amount of angst expressed about our offense, I sure don't see much speculation or wishing for specific names for a replacement OC. This is especially surprising now that Baldwin's departure *seems* pretty certain.

As for me, I'm not going to give any predictions or wishes either, but will mention one thing that occurred to me. Various people have mentioned wanting Troy Taylor back in some coaching capacity. It dawned on me that the Troy Taylor trajectory shares much with the Beau Baldwin trajectory.

Baldwin was successful as OC and then HC at Eastern Washington. Came to Cal as OC and offenses struggled. Now (apparently) leaving to take HC position back down at FCS Cal Poly (even the same conference as E Washington).

Taylor was OC at Eastern Washington (under Baldwin), went to Utah as OC. Offense struggled (at least relatively), and he left for a HC position at FCS Sac State (also same conference as E Washington and Cal Poly).

I'm not pointing this out necessarily as something against Taylor (in fact the dissatisfaction at Utah seems to have come from stylistic differences with Wittingham as much as any actual problems with the offensive production, whereas here at Cal I think the want for a change do come strictly from the poor performance of the offense). Just that I thought that the trajectories of the two were remarkably similar over their last few positions.

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Similar trajectories doesn't mean much because there aren't that many trajectories to take. Cal hired a nationally ranked OC as a HC and he took a team on the verge of a Rose Bowl and tanked it. Cal hired a nationally ranked OC as HC and he took what was then the worst team in Cal history and turned it around to top 10 in 3 seasons.

Regarding wishing for specific names, maybe the board is getting a little wiser on the subject. There are so many variables going into assistant coaches - who the HC knows and is comfortable with, what offense he wants to run, etc. that naming random guys you like is almost futile. When was the last time we hired a guy people even thought of?

It makes sense to mention Taylor because he is a Cal grad and he runs a similar offense so there'd be a level of continuity (I don't think the scheme is necessarily the issue vs. the way it is implemented.) Beyond Taylor I wouldn't know who to name that has over a 1% chance of getting the job. If I were to really do this, I would look for offensive coaches that have a connection to Wilcox.

Isn't the early signing period next week?? We better announce an OC asap....

GoBears89 said:

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Isn't the early signing period next week?? We better announce an OC asap....

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Seems we'd need to announce the departure first.

drizzlybears brother said:

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GoBears89 said:

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Isn't the early signing period next week?? We better announce an OC asap....

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Seems we'd need to announce the departure first.

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Naturally. I wasn't taking about right this second. Cal Poly is having a press conference today. I would assume Cal will make an announcement either today or tomorrow.

Just saying it would be good to have an OC in place before the early signing period (one week from today).

OaktownBear said:

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... Regarding wishing for specific names, maybe the board is getting a little wiser on the subject ...

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Come on now, you don't really believe that is possible do you?!

GoBears89 said:

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drizzlybears brother said:

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GoBears89 said:

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Isn't the early signing period next week?? We better announce an OC asap....

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Seems we'd need to announce the departure first.

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Naturally. I wasn't taking about right this second. Cal Poly is having a press conference today. I would assume Cal will make an announcement either today or tomorrow.

Just saying it would be good to have an OC in place before the early signing period (one week from today).

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I would be most surprised after all the questioning of BB by Cal fans over the last four months that JW does not have his choice in mind, or has set the wheels in motion. It is not as if it has come as a surprise that BB is leaving. Matter of fact, and none of our biz, this is probably and accomodation to let all parties end this with class.

all things being equal, I'm curious whether fans prefer an experienced/retread P5 OC who would be making a lateral or regressive move coming to Cal (Likens, and what Jake Spavital was for Dykes); or an up and coming OC from a G5; or a P5 position coach making his first step up to coordinator.

It will also be interesting to observe the conflicting narratives espoused about their credibility.

Hire a relative of the number 1 QB recruit in the nation

I think tui is just happy he didn't even have to use his AK.

No OC yet? Waiting is hurting.

coach wilcox probably has the OC locked up, but wont make it official until that coaches bowl season is done. but the recruits probably know it especially the offensive side. we will see but if i were head coach that is what i would do. otherwise the recruits could change their recruitment. and if true then if the tui tweet is about rodgers then maybe that knowledge made up his mind to commit. just my two cents.