GBear4Life said:

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mbBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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The running backs did a good job and he was the lead on some very good recruits this year and took a big step in that part of it.

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I have completely changed my view on Edwards. The turnover at WR had more to do with academics, non-cal fits, and an unfortunate situation in Robertson's case. The running back as a group improved despite injuries, it may be the deepest unit on the offense. Edwards has proven to be a good recruiter. He has kept some traditional football powers from poaching the running back recruits. He has a high ceiling. I say keep him, but that really is the call for the new OC and Wilcox.

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You mean like maybe he proved himself over time, that judging a position coach after a small amount of time has passed isn't the way to go?

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I was judging him on his inability to retain players and the inability of WRs to gain separation (which still is a problem). Even the mods were pretty negative towards Edwards. The player issues were not on Edwards as it turned out, per Wilcox when he did the coach swing down in SoCal; however, Toler, an alum, is much better at having the WRs navigate being at Cal, also per Wilcox. That isn't an issue with RBs. This was the main reason for the change. And it appears Edwards is doing a good job with the RBs. Wilcox said he considers Edwards an up and coming coach (but in a setting with a lot of people you never going to have Wilcox say anything negative).

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So it's the POSITION COACH's responsibility to retain players???

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GoCalBears said:

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71Bear said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Anyone know what Ron Gould's contract at Stanford is like? He recruited and coached some decent RBs here

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Intriguing idea about bringing back Ron Gould as OC. He's a great developer of RBs and must know OL schemes well. Don't know about his passing plays and game calling ability. Was hoping Wilcox would bring him back as RB coach a few years ago.

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If JW didn't hire him when he had a chance, he sure as hell is not going to hire him now for a more responsible position. Why do some Cal fans always look back instead of forward? Gould is gone, forget about him. I'm looking forward to a fresh face that can bring new ideas to the staff. No Taylor, no Gould, no one previously associated with the program would be the best choice...........

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71 - I agree with you 95% on this issue, but I don't understand the zero tolerance attitude. I'm not looking for Gould to be our OC because I see no reason to believe he is qualified. I'm not looking at him to be RB coach because 1. we have one; and 2. If he was Wilcox's guy and he wanted to be here, he would have been hired 3 years ago; and 3. I just don't care who the position coaches are - at least not until they come here and I see their performance on our team. But if WILCOX wanted Gould, the only thing I would think is that he got a good RB coach. Position coaches come and go. They go to old schools all the time. Why would working at Cal disqualify them?

I'd point out that by your standard, no Wilcox either. He coached here previously, and I think to some extent the reputation he had here from that experience was part of the reason he was hired.

Similarly, I have no strong feeling about Taylor. But if I told you there is an OC that runs our offense who played locally, has strong Northern California ties, has Pac-12 OC experience, knows our current head coach, and is a current head coach at a Northern California FCS school, that would seem a pretty decent fit, wouldn't it? Why does having played QB at Cal disqualify him. Honestly, I have no feeling toward him other than he is a logical fit. I don't really care that he went to Cal. As someone who has supported Baldwin throughout his tenure, I would think you'd see a guy who was Baldwin's OC previously who has Pac-12 experience as a prime candidate to maintain continuity for our young offense and especially QB.

I'd also say that many would be excited to have a coach with Ron Rivera's resume come to Cal whether he played here or not. It would be silly not to consider him because he played at Cal.

I agree with you 95% on the issue because so many people just start naming Cal guys with no sense of whether they are qualified or a right fit, and they usually aren't. But just because people are unreasonable in one direction doesn't mean we respond by being unreasonable in the other. If you told me a coach shouldn't get any preferential consideration because of Cal ties, I might agree with you, but I don't understand the argument that they should be downgraded because of Cal ties, and you are going further and disqualifying them.

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I would love to have Ron back....its been such a long time since Cal has a 1k yards RB and who went to the NFL... does his wife still works at Cal?

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